rod222
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Post by rod222 on Sept 10, 2013 11:10:20 GMT
Occupation Stamps Second Debrecen Issue Postage Due Stamps Watermarked double Cross 1920 (in use from December 23, 1919 until March 20, 1920). Extensively forged. CV : $6
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Post by rod222 on Sept 10, 2013 22:24:56 GMT
Second Debrecen Issue Semi Postal Stamps Overprinted "Segely-belyeg" (Aid Stamp) Overprint : "Romania Zona de ocupatie" Designer : by C Janesca Unwatermarked 1920 Paper: Looks to me like 2 sorts. White paper and brownish glazed paper. Fourth design: Red Cross "Stretcher Bearers" Exist : Normal paper. Coloured paper. Exist : Inverted Overprint, double overprint, triple overprint. Exist : leg of "g" in "belyeg" broken off. Shown: 20 Filler (Not listed in romaniastamps.com) (broken "g" leg) 50 Filler 1 Korona Rough pin perf , rough paper.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 29, 2013 13:11:38 GMT
Apologies, I'll try to relink the above images. 1919 Romania : Occupation of Hungary. First Transylvania If anyone can assist with the two missing values, please email me with your prices.
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Post by Bombadil on Apr 16, 2018 23:35:32 GMT
Issued under Romanian occupation: Round overprints "ROMANIA / PTT-FF / 1919 / ZONA DE OCUPATIE" 1920 - Second Debrecen Issue Mythical Turul Scott# 3N1,3N3,3N5,3N7 Thick glazed paper: Scott# 3N26,3N29 Throwing Lariat Scott# 3N9,3N10,3N11,3N12,3N13,3N14,3N15,3N16 "Very probably the Debrecen II stamps were not allowed to be franked. Near all items with these stamps are either philatelic (CTO) or with the stamps being used as additions (something like a label) (Dan Grecu)" link"Complete forgeries exist of this issue and are often found In large multiples or even complete sheets."(Scott) I hope @falshung can confirm if these are forgeries or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 15:20:35 GMT
Decent examples of genuine stamps are now almost impossible to find on auction sites. Anyone who wants to donate - please do First the original post by rod222, the postage dues appear to be genuine, the Segely-belyeg are forgeries Why? - if/when I do an article I will elaborate Very little info is available on the Debrecen 2 series as opposed to the Transylvania or the Cluj series. The traits to define genuine vs. fakes are not always clear. The forgeries probably made in Paris are VERY good [ADMIN Note: poster intentionally deleted images prior to deleting his forum account.] First thing to check is the inner part of the circle to the right of the large blob. There should be some small inward protrusions and/or a fuzzy area. Overall the lettering and the circle itself are not very sharp while in the forgeries they are well defined. There are some minor details but the mountains in the circle show well defined unbroken lines as opposed to the forgery. There are other lines and breaks in that area that do not match. Here again we check the circle for protrusions and overall appearance In the bottom corners of the genuine we have a large blob with a large dot below it. The forgery has a well defined area with a small dot. Added note - I believe any fakes are full forgeries, both the stamp and the overprint. Genuine stamps with no overprints do exist but were proofs or essays The stamps exist as inverts, double and triple overprints but these were probably made "for collectors" not as errors Forgeries are often found as multiples, blocks and even full sheets. Forgery paper may have a yellowish tinge some are on very white paper
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Post by Bombadil on Apr 17, 2018 15:54:15 GMT
Thank you @falshung, i always enjoy and appreciate your analysis !!
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