darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 2:16:34 GMT
This is Sc. no. 269, the 1 leu value from the second King Ferdinand definitive series of Romania, issued in 1920. This is one of the many perf varieties, 13.5 x14, in this case. I have been working on Romania again lately after receiving the collection from my cousin. As I look at my stamps and determine which I want to mount on my pages, I look at interesting postmarks too, especially towns and cities. This one, however, is a real puzzle. My first step was to google the word "Scrisori". I usually see a town or city name in the search results as a wikipedia entry. In this case there was nothing. So, I decided to look at google images and I found a lot of Romanian documents with this word on them but no images or maps showing the location of Scrisori showed up. Then I went old school and looked at my copy of the Webster's New Geographical Dictionary...again, nothing. So finally, I went to google translate and entered the word "scrisori" as a Romanian text and it translated into English as the word "writing". If this is not a city or town name, why would this word show up in a postmark?
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Post by WERT on Oct 3, 2021 2:24:47 GMT
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 2:55:00 GMT
WERT , thank you for your help with this. Also, note the following: Romanian Stamps Definitives of 1858-1864I think what you found is this specific set of early issues from Romania but I don't feel it answers my question quite. See below from the above link: "The design features the Arms of Moldavia, with that being a "auroch or bull head, with a star above". The denomination is contained within a post horn. The inscription reads ПОРТО СКРИСОРИ (PORTO SCRISOREI), Romanian Cyrillic for "Postage to be paid by the recipient". This inscription is actually a mistake. The inscription should have read FRANCO in Cyrillic letters instead of PORTO in Cyrillic letters, which would have changed the meaning to "Postage to be paid by the sender". The payment of postage obviously happened when the stamp was affixed to the letter envelope by the sender. These new stamps were only valid for postal use within the Principality of Moldavia." So, is this later postmark from the 1920s a postage paid postmark with the word Scrisori meaning sender instead of writer as google translated it?
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Post by eggdog on Oct 3, 2021 3:12:55 GMT
You're right, darkormex , the word does appear to be "writing", "letter", "note". I've also been looking at lots of Romanian postmarks lately and if I ever saw that word on one, I don't remember it - and I probably would have looked it up for the same reason you did. And if it was a town, that would beg the question of why it's on the bottom of the circle, where town names are scarce to be found. My wild guess of the day is that it is some kind of routing mark, like "printed matter" or "letter rate". I think I'm wrong, partly because I usually am wrong, but mostly because that's a really strange place to find a routing mark that would be better off on an etiquette or a rubber stamp. I wish I had more Romanian entires; I hardly have any and don't even have many stamps on partial covers or wrappers that hint at what they might have done. (Moments later:) I couldn't see what WERT posted - I got the little broken-window icon instead - so I wasn't ignoring it.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 3:15:53 GMT
eggdog, thank you. I was kind of thinking along the same lines and, yes, what an unusual place to put this type of mark. I am now trying to find other examples of this by searching for Romanian postmarks but no luck so far.
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 3:21:40 GMT
eggdog, also note the faint purple/red fiscal or revenue cancel at the bottom of the stamp.
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Post by salentin on Oct 3, 2021 8:24:58 GMT
SCRISOARE = Briefpost or Briefversand (Letter-Mail) Is often found on cancels of the german area. In modern times in Switzerland,"Briefversand" is found at the bottom of cancels and the place is on the top.
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 13:51:50 GMT
salentin, is it literally meant for postmarking letters? So the post office location must have been in the upper part of the ring on my postmark.
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Post by dorincard on Oct 3, 2021 21:11:26 GMT
As a native speaker of Romanian, I can tell you this: Scrisoare = (correspondence) letter. Not alphabet letter, of course. Scrisori is the plural of scrisoare. Scrisorei looks like the archaic form of Scrisorii, the dative case of Scrisoare. (Whose payment? Of the Scrisoare. A cui plata? A Scrisorii). Plata scrisorii = the payment of the (scrisoare). There is no locality named Scrisori on "God's Green Earth", or on Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot". "The Bull's Head stamps" are, of course, a misnomer in the philatelic world. Bull means male, in many species. Cap de Bour. The species depicted is aurochs (bour, in Romanian), not even auroch. Not bou, which means castrated (domestic) bull. <-cattle. "The aurochs (Bos primigenius) (/ˈɔːrɒks/ or /ˈaʊrɒks/), also known as aurochsen, urus or ure, is a species of large wild cattle that inhabited Asia, Europe and North Africa. Whilst the wild subspecies, including the nominal subspecies Bos primigenius primigenius, is extinct, extant domestic cattle are considered subspecies of the aurochs. Further discussion and use of the term "aurochs" in this article will, for simplicity, refer only to the extinct wild subspecies unless otherwise specified. Bos primigenius primigenius survived in Europe until 1627, when the last recorded aurochs died in the Jaktorów Forest in Poland." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs
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Post by darkormex on Oct 3, 2021 21:25:38 GMT
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Post by gstamps on Oct 20, 2022 14:15:20 GMT
Hi darkormex I don't collect Romanian stamps, but I recently purchased the work "Stampilografie Postala" by Kiriac Dragomir. I couldn't find the exact cancellation on your stamp, but I think it's part of category B5 cancellations. At the top is the name of the city and at the bottom is the category of postal services used: ZIARE = Newspapers POSTE RESTANTE = Posts Remaining TAXA de PLATA = Payment Fee Exped.Scris. (=Expeditii Scrisori) = Letter dispatches I hope it helps you. I've read some of your posts from the Romania sub-board, but I don't know if you haven't already found out the answers. I also have the work "Catalogul Marcilor Postale Romanesti" by Kiriac Dragomir, 1974 edition, where there is enough information about the classic Romanian stamps, but as I wrote before, I am not familiar with Romanian stamps. If you still have questions from your old posts, it would be good to update them so that I can try to answer you. Greetings George
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Post by dorincard on Oct 20, 2022 15:44:33 GMT
"Posts remaining" is not a proper translation. "Poste restante (French pronunciation: [pɔst ʁɛstɑ̃t], "remainder post"), also known as general delivery in North American English, is a service where the post office holds the mail until the recipient calls for it. It is a common destination for mail for people who are visiting a particular location and have no need, or no way, of having mail delivered directly to their place of residence at that time." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poste_restante
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Post by rod222 on Mar 7, 2024 7:05:47 GMT
Sc#208 A44 10b REMBOURSEMENT =Payment.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 7, 2024 10:08:52 GMT
Postmark Not seen in any Romanian Stamp Catalogue L'Independance Roumaine (Bucaresci No 5 ) A French Language semi-official Newspaper, of the National Liberal party. Why they would have their own Pmk is unknown. Source : Jay Carrigan and Mr. Google Sc#126 1893 A19 25b King Carol l
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Post by franoise on Mar 7, 2024 11:04:36 GMT
Bucuresci N°5 Indépendance Roumaine www.romaniastamps.com/(go to : Specialities → Cancellations → Other Cancellations)
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