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Post by zipper on Sept 10, 2013 22:20:36 GMT
Stampless 1829 London cover. Three pages of writing, but I can't read the writing so I didn't scan them.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Sept 10, 2013 22:41:01 GMT
Fantastic Zipper! Love it.
Address:
Mrs (maybe H S Francis Esq)
Monument Gardens and Fish Street Hill, London. (still there today)
Looking for your postmark STEAMER
2d and 6d marks?
Possible to get a close up scan of the wax seal impression?
Also, a close up of the STEAMER mark, see if we can deduce the name of the packet.
There is a lot of conjecture here, but possibly if the address is "2" Fish Hill Street London, and not a "2d" mark, it could have been a surgery.
Here is the suspected tenants of Fish Hill Street in 1838
24. FISH STREET HILL
2 Brookman, Surgeon.
Weigh-house British Sunday Schools and Chapel.
14 Foster and Lyon, Solicitors.
15 Mr. Rushbury's Office.
16 Pater, J. Chemist.
Tanner, E.
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Post by zipper on Sept 10, 2013 23:44:33 GMT
Is this what you want?   |
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Post by zipper on Mar 21, 2023 13:36:55 GMT
Ireland 1845 2d Wrapper from Collooney to East India Co London The Honorable East India Company... ROFLMAO   |
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Post by REL1948 on Mar 21, 2023 14:17:30 GMT
Ireland 1845 2d Wrapper from Collooney to East India Co London The Honorable East India Company... ROFLMAO
Honorable.... that would be funny if it wasn't so bloody untrue.....
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Post by zipper on Mar 21, 2023 17:34:43 GMT
That's why I bought it -- to give everyone a good laugh.
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Post by daveg28 on Mar 21, 2023 17:57:33 GMT
I had to look up the company to understand the comments. As I thought, they were involved in slave trade for a length of time, correct? I'm guessing that is the reason for the irony of "Honorable" in the name?
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 21, 2023 19:50:24 GMT
There was no intended irony in the name. The company operated with a Royal Charter. From the 16th century Queen Elizabeth I so it was more than just a “company” … it was an “Honourable company…..” and at its peak was the largest corporation in the World
(The term is antique and there were and still are some companies which are entitled to the honorific “Honourable…”)
While they may well have been associated with slavery , their sphere of influence was exploiting the wealth of India not the African- Americas slave trade.
They gained power in India by raising a private army of up to 250.000 men, exploiting the various rivalries between the local Rajahs and Princes to gain control .they practically ruled the sub continent once Clive had defeated the French armies at the battle of Plassey , until the British Crown took control of the Indian Empire in the 1870s
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Post by brookbam on Mar 21, 2023 21:58:40 GMT
Well...it's going to London in 1829.
That's all I can read on it.
mike
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zipper
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Post by zipper on Mar 21, 2023 22:27:30 GMT
Still ROFLMAO.
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Post by zipper on Mar 22, 2023 18:18:38 GMT
1818 TWO PY POST UNPAID E O STRAND 210 LONDON LETTER GEORGE SMITH >NORWICH UNION   |
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Post by zipper on Mar 29, 2023 23:15:31 GMT
GB cover to Benjamin Disraeli as M.P. from Edw. Stanhope, 1870's   |
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Post by REL1948 on Mar 30, 2023 1:29:01 GMT
GB cover to Benjamin Disraeli as M.P. from Edw. Stanhope, 1870's
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Post by zipper on Mar 30, 2023 4:06:35 GMT
Thanks for the kind words. I spend a lot of time searching for something cool. Sometimes days go by when I can't find anything, then all of a sudden I get lucky.
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 30, 2023 10:05:05 GMT
Interesting cover indeed zipper , the timing is puzzling, so can I ask where the 1870s comes from ? the use of an envelope rather than just a folded letter suggest it may be correct , but why is it unstamped? the Privilege of Free post for MPs ended back in 1840 unless it was hand delivered by a messenger in the Parliament building rather than being put in the mail. Disraeli became Earl Beaconsfield in 1875 so the letter is before he got his new title. He was in parliament between the mid 1830s and this time so could be earlier . The crest is that of an EARL. Pearls raised on stalks alternate with strawberry leaves between. The various styles of coronet will appear presumably at the Coronation. Royal Dukes, Dukes, Marquis, Earl, Viscounts, Lords. all have different arrangements and symbols, crosses, Fleur de Lys, pearls, strawberry leaves. There were several Earl Stanhopes who held the title in the Victorian period, so which one was it ? Elder the 4th earl, His son the 5th or his Grandson the 6th Philip Henry (4th Earl) had the title from 1816-1855 His Son another Philip Henry was 5th Earl from 1855-1875 Arthur Philip was 6th Earl 1875-1905 All of them were in parliament until they became Earl when they joined the House of Lords. Edward Stanhope (younger Brother of 6th Earl) was also MP with a distinguished career from 1874 but I don't think he would have used the Earl's Crest or signed " Stanhope " which would be the style of his brother |
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Post by zipper on Mar 30, 2023 19:40:35 GMT
I've already stated that I use the sellers photos and listing.
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Post by zipper on May 4, 2023 23:01:23 GMT
Looks like it was sent by one RR and refused by another.  |
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Post by vikingeck on May 5, 2023 8:56:45 GMT
That is a fantastic “Refused “ strike ! Unpaid letter the recipient wouldn’t pay the double 2d rate.
Ayr and Maybole railway to Perth and Dunkeld railway .
in the 1840s -1860s era little Railway companies were springing up all over Britain. It was a share bonanza for some , some went bust, some succeeded and eventually many linked up and merged into bigger companies.
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Post by zipper on May 5, 2023 21:40:03 GMT
Another RR Cover  |
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Post by zipper on Dec 16, 2023 0:52:23 GMT
1857 GB STAMPLESS F/L NEW YORK PACKET SHIP   link |
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 2:26:32 GMT
1857 GB STAMPLESS F/L NEW YORK PACKET SHIP link
May we have a close up of the stationery private print envelope please? (The rear flap embossing) TRAFALGAR etc
Maltese Cross outline
The General Post 1661 - 1840
Whitney type 7 Branch Offices
CX or CH = Charing Cross
LS = Lombard street
VS = Vere Street
B = Borough
Red "A" = Receivers strike ? usually circled. (or US mark?)
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Post by zipper on Dec 16, 2023 11:04:52 GMT
Anything for you, Rod!  |
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 12:34:24 GMT
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Post by zipper on Dec 16, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
Thanks, Rod. This is why I'm soooo delighted that you're back. You always have great information!
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Post by daniel on Dec 16, 2023 15:04:50 GMT
1857 GB STAMPLESS F/L NEW YORK PACKET SHIP linkI can't identify the red A mark but the rest we have seen before. This letter was sent unpaid (as was permitted) from Liverpool (the L/JY 7/A mark) to New York on an American Packet Ship. So, from the total postage fee to be collected, the 24 cents mark, the British Post Office would claim 3/cents, as per the British applied accountancy mark. The US Post Office would retain the rest for the US postage, 5 cents, and the cost of the American Packet Ship, 16 cents.
Daniel
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 15:12:30 GMT
I can't identify the red A mark but thr rest we have seen before. This letter was sent unpaid (as was permitted) via Liverpool (the L/JY 7/A mark) on an American Packet Ship. So, from the total postage fee to be collected, the 24 cents mark, the British Post Office would claim 3/cents, as per the British applied accountancy mark. The US Post Office would retain the rest for the US postage and the cost of the American Packet Ship. Daniel
Fabulous! I was wondering the chamfered square "L" strike. Always tickles me, when we can read the "Postal Heiroglyphics" of postal indicia and markings. A tough language to crack. I was thinking the "3 Cents" had to be American  Always amazing, the postie (letter carrier) can find a gentleman, just by "Newark, New Jersey" address. |
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Post by daniel on Dec 24, 2023 3:51:58 GMT
rod222, here's an extract from the booklet 'Unpaid and Underpaid Mail 1840 to 1921 England and Wales' by R I Johnson (published by Robson Lowe 1982) 
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Post by rod222 on Dec 24, 2023 4:20:12 GMT
rod222 , here's an extract from the booklet 'Unpaid and Underpaid Mail 1840 to 1921 England and Wales' by R I Johnson (published by Robson Lowe 1982) Great! Thanks Daniel, went to order it on Hipstamp...drat..closed Looks like Bill Barrel approx $14 AUD  |
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Post by rod222 on Dec 24, 2023 4:50:38 GMT
Gave up.
Maybe Age? Buying off the internet is a PITA
I havn't bought a major stamp collection in 5 years,
Trying to buy this monograph
6 differing vendors
1.Exhorbitant postal fee
2. closed
3. does not take Paypal
4. Only takes bank transfer
5. Auto address field only has "Australia" not Western Australia
6. Amazon (I won't buy anything from Amazon)
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Post by daniel on Dec 24, 2023 6:00:35 GMT
Thomas Bruce was the 7th Earl of Elgin, he was a soldier and politician and was appointed Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire in 1798. After some diplomatic success, he turned to Athens, then a part of the Ottoman Empire. Although he had originally intended to only make drawings and plaster casts of various artefacts within the Parthenon, he seems to have been given permission to remove items, which he did at his own expense. What became known as the Elgin Marbles were removed and taken to England between 1801 and 1812. The expense proved to be huge and after a costly divorce, he sold the Marbles to the British Government at a considerable loss. His fortunes did not improve. Controversy surrounding the Elgin Marbles in The British Museum continues to this day. We now turn to this letter, dated 6th May 1814, from John Anderson of the Leith Walk Foundry, Scotland sent to Andrew Thomson of Charlestown near Queensferry, Scotland seeking settlement of a debt owed by Elgin after he refused and returned a request for payment of £676 and 19 shillings, a very considerable sum, for 'Rails'. Thomson would appear to be a surety (a guarantor) in the transaction. The letter shows a rectangular Leith Walk Unpaid (?) mark, the usual Additional 1/2 penny carriage charge for Edinburgh and a handwritten 5 for 5 pennies. It was further postmarked for May 7th 1814, presumably the arrival mark.   |
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