angore
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Post by angore on Dec 17, 2021 10:49:57 GMT
I agree with you that Amos Media's revenue is tied to the catalog numbering system. They are afraid of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
At this point, I believe they are very conscious of the size of the printed catalogs. Having the catalogs centered around a printed product, limits options.
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brightonpete
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 17, 2021 12:18:01 GMT
They really need to move into the 21st century!
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djcmh
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Post by djcmh on Dec 17, 2021 16:37:41 GMT
If Colnect added a Colnect catalog number then one would be closer goal.... this is something potentially for the medium-term development of Colnect, but at present not feasible given the large amount of gaps still remaining for many postal administration's basic issues. I still get surprised when a contributor submits a basic commemorative stamp that somehow had to that point never been contributed. One would hate to start a new number/code system only to find gaps that require either renumbering or inelegant hacks like Scott's -A etc suffixes to shoehorn a listing into their sequence.
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angore
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Post by angore on Dec 17, 2021 21:31:40 GMT
The challenges of any somewhat chronological catalog numbering system
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Dec 18, 2021 3:21:25 GMT
The real challenge is stamp collectors. I'm 52 and am quite computer literate. But there are plenty of stamp collectors out there that don't want to change. They've been using their Scott National album for decades. They visit a local stamp store. And they continue to do things the way they always do. I'm lucky enough to have a stamp/coin/sports card store less than 5 minutes fro my house. Most of the business the guy gets from foot traffic is for coins and sports cards. The stamp stuff is done by mail and by going to stamp club meetings. The guy told me he'll buy a collection from someone, break it down, take it to a stamp show, and sell 90% of it from going to 2-3 different stamp clubs. He has an eBay presence, and sells some stuff that way. But most of his business is in person.
Those kinds of customer don't want a new numbering system.
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Post by djcmh on Dec 18, 2021 15:36:16 GMT
The real challenge is stamp collectors. I'm 52 and am quite computer literate. But there are plenty of stamp collectors out there that don't want to change. They've been using their Scott National album for decades. They visit a local stamp store. And they continue to do things the way they always do. I'm lucky enough to have a stamp/coin/sports card store less than 5 minutes fro my house. Most of the business the guy gets from foot traffic is for coins and sports cards. The stamp stuff is done by mail and by going to stamp club meetings. The guy told me he'll buy a collection from someone, break it down, take it to a stamp show, and sell 90% of it from going to 2-3 different stamp clubs. He has an eBay presence, and sells some stuff that way. But most of his business is in person.
Those kinds of customer don't want a new numbering system.
As a fellow Gen-Xer (turned 50 back in April) I agree that in general most collectors from older generations are not likely to see much use in a new number system, but as the hobby continues to globalize eventually the current Babel of catalogue numbering "languages" collectors use when discussing stamps will move towards a common standard - either one catalogue will become dominant or a new system will evolve. With Colnect the first step has been to create a listing of concurrences among catalogues, so that collectors can "translate" from Michel to Scott or Gibbons or Yvert etc at a glance. This is what drew me to Colnect in the first place. Whether or not it makes sense to then take the next step and create official Colnect catalog numbers is the next question.
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Dec 18, 2021 19:07:21 GMT
The real challenge is stamp collectors. I'm 52 and am quite computer literate. But there are plenty of stamp collectors out there that don't want to change. They've been using their Scott National album for decades. They visit a local stamp store. And they continue to do things the way they always do. I'm lucky enough to have a stamp/coin/sports card store less than 5 minutes fro my house. Most of the business the guy gets from foot traffic is for coins and sports cards. The stamp stuff is done by mail and by going to stamp club meetings. The guy told me he'll buy a collection from someone, break it down, take it to a stamp show, and sell 90% of it from going to 2-3 different stamp clubs. He has an eBay presence, and sells some stuff that way. But most of his business is in person.
Those kinds of customer don't want a new numbering system.
As a fellow Gen-Xer (turned 50 back in April) I agree that in general most collectors from older generations are not likely to see much use in a new number system, but as the hobby continues to globalize eventually the current Babel of catalogue numbering "languages" collectors use when discussing stamps will move towards a common standard - either one catalogue will become dominant or a new system will evolve. With Colnect the first step has been to create a listing of concurrences among catalogues, so that collectors can "translate" from Michel to Scott or Gibbons or Yvert etc at a glance. This is what drew me to Colnect in the first place. Whether or not it makes sense to then take the next step and create official Colnect catalog numbers is the next question. My frustration is really around the restrictions I am facing when I make pages. Scott will not let me use their numbers because my free pages compete with their licensees and their own albums. They won't even let me pay for a license. And online websites aren't allowed to use their numbers unless it's dealer listing to sell something.
I'm not sure how Colnect gets away with using Scott's numbers, since Colnect directly competes with StampManage and EZStamp.
I really like Colnect, but the $9.00-$12.00 a month price tag was too expensive for what it is. The most I'd be willing to throw at them is $50/year.
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Post by renden on Dec 18, 2021 19:21:41 GMT
If one would remove the work "hate" in this thread's title...... btw....which has been hijacked some time ago with new stuff, I might participate Too much "hate" in this World...... René
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Dec 18, 2021 20:06:09 GMT
If one would remove the work "hate" in this thread's title...... btw....which has been hijacked some time ago with new stuff, I might participate Too much "hate" in this World...... René I changed the title. But I kinda feel like changing the title is making me give in current social trends I disagree with. But that's a discussion for a different forum than this one.
In the mean time, the word hate has been removed from the title.
If I really hated modern US Definitive Stamps, then I wouldn't collect them.
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 18, 2021 20:13:42 GMT
If one would remove the work "hate" in this thread's title...... btw....which has been hijacked some time ago with new stuff, I might participate Too much "hate" in this World...... René I changed the title. But I kinda feel like changing the title is making me give in current social trends I disagree with. But that's a discussion for a different forum than this one.
In the mean time, the word hate has been removed from the title.
If I really hated modern US Definitive Stamps, then I wouldn't collect them.
I know a couple that have an agreement that they would never use the word hate when they do not like something, rather when they were about to do so they would say why they did not like something. It is a far better way to go through life and I have tried to follow their lead.
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renden
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Post by renden on Dec 18, 2021 20:20:11 GMT
Thanks andy Pastuszak ! Thanks hdm1950 ! The subject of this thread is what, now ? certainly not definitives....... René
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angore
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Post by angore on Dec 18, 2021 21:29:55 GMT
You will notice that Colnect does not use the term "Scott" Number on their web site. There is a Stamp Number. I also feel that in this modern era that having licensed catalog numbers on album pages is a not much of an inhibitor in appeal to someone. Free will win if you have a complete product.
Nor do I believe creating a universal catalog number would every meet everyone's needs. It is just like developing the best programming language. You just add it to the pile. And, until dealers find a need to use it, it will always be just another reference. It is like a language...not every country will adopt English or Mandarin so you will always been a cross-reference dictionary,
There is no way to satisfy the generalist and specialist with one catalog.
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Dec 19, 2021 2:01:23 GMT
You notice that Colnect does not use the term "Scott" Number on their web site. There is a Stamp Number. I also feel that in this modern era that having licensed catalog numbers on album pages is a not much of an inhibitor in appeal to someone. Free will win if you have a complete product. Nor do I believe creating a universal catalog number would every meet everyone's needs. It is just developing the best programming language. You just add it to the pile. And, until dealers find a need to use it, it will always be just another reference. It is like a language...not every country will adopt English or Mandarin so you will always been a cross-reference dictionary, There is no way to satisfy the generalist and specialist with one catalog. That's interesting that they call it Stamp Number. Is that the Scott number, or their own numbering system?
I agree that you can't make everyone happy. But I just want a numbering system I can put on stamp pages that is also used by stamp dealers.
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angore
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Post by angore on Dec 19, 2021 11:34:39 GMT
It just so happens that the Stamp Number always seem to match the Scott Number.
Colnect is a great resource.
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Post by renden on Dec 19, 2021 14:43:44 GMT
Thanks andy Pastuszak ! Thanks hdm1950 ! The subject of this thread is what, now ? certainly not definitives....... René I would transfer (am not a moderator) the Colnect posts (very interesting for some) to its proper thread - we are not into US Definitives anymore Thanks ! René
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