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Post by adamgarfinkle on Feb 13, 2022 19:31:27 GMT
Early Spain experts, hark please: Scott #21, 2r vermillion, now catalogs at $12K--a drop from $15K a few years ago. Question: Has this stamp ever been faked to your knowledge? The Scott catalog says nothing whatever about the possibility; the few reference guides to fakes I own also do not cover it. Before I go spending time researching, can anyone mercifully spare me having to rediscover the wheel? I have a pristine unused copy, no gum--and the paper seems right. It came to me in a very upscale horde with many used 19th century stamps in the $200-$500 range, and it was not singled out from the mass--a good sign, all else considered. But one always has to ask oneself: Can this really be real? Any help will be appreciated.  |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 13, 2022 19:39:13 GMT
Once again a picture is essential.
it is unlikely that a European collector will use Scott.
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Post by adamgarfinkle on Feb 13, 2022 20:52:54 GMT
OK, you've got a picture.
And which catalog for Spain is most used in western Europe, please?
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Feb 13, 2022 21:08:40 GMT
If you go to Colnect you will find convertion to all mayor catalogs Queen Isabel II Michel ES 17a Stamp Number ES 19 Yvert et Tellier ES 17 Stanley Gibbons ES 22 Edifil ES 17 (Scott is Stamp Number (due to copyright)) |
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Post by classicalstamps on Feb 13, 2022 22:13:26 GMT
I know of 17 different forgeries of this stamp. Almost certainly more exist.
15 of them are shown/described in "Graus' - Falsos Postales de Espana" - very good book on the forgeries of classic Spain.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 13, 2022 22:22:14 GMT
And which catalog for Spain is most used in western Europe, please? Adam, it is not my area, but to answer your question, I think that Edifil is used by many if not most serious collectors of the stamps of Spain here in Europe. |
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Post by classicalstamps on Feb 13, 2022 22:28:56 GMT
To save you the trouble:
Edifil Specialized is a great catalog for Spain. I have it, but it does not mention anything about forgeries.
Tip: Instead of relying on catalogs to tell about the existence of forgeries, assume all classic stamps have been forged.
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on Feb 14, 2022 2:58:46 GMT
Early Spain experts, hark please: Scott #21, 2r vermillion, now catalogs at $12K--a drop from $15K a few years ago. Question: Has this stamp ever been faked to your knowledge? The Scott catalog says nothing whatever about the possibility; the few reference guides to fakes I own also do not cover it. Before I go spending time researching, can anyone mercifully spare me having to rediscover the wheel? I have a pristine unused copy, no gum--and the paper seems right. It came to me in a very upscale horde with many used 19th century stamps in the $200-$500 range, and it was not singled out from the mass--a good sign, all else considered. But one always has to ask oneself: Can this really be real?
Sadly, anything that stunning should be assumed to be as crooked as a twig until documented otherwise. There is more than enough classic Spain gunk to drive anyone right into Gresham's Law. I'd see a glass half empty until you have an attestation. A scrupulous seller wouldn't offer without. If you ever plan to sell, or your heirs might, it will be mighty handy.
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Post by classicalstamps on Feb 14, 2022 7:44:55 GMT
For your research: This one is genuine (it has a Comex certificate).  Genuine ones has about 10 characteristic signs to look for. |
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Post by adamgarfinkle on Feb 16, 2022 1:18:20 GMT
Thanks--all very helpful. My skepticism has been strengthened.
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