rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 19:47:39 GMT
Just challenged by the reactions to my recent post another example. It is about the 1964 USSR "souvenir sheet" commemorating the invention (as seen in Russia) of the radio by Alexander Popov 70 years earlier (Michel: souvenir sheet #39, Scott #3040). This "souvenir sheet" does not contain any usable stamps, but only - perforated Cinderella's... On the part of the Michel publishing house one had probably thought at first that these Cinderellas would be real stamps. The corresponding catalog numbers (3061 to 3066 for the 6 Cindrellas) were reserved, but then not used.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 27, 2023 19:56:57 GMT
No success in my Global database search. As I recall, accurately or not, sometime after 2010, Australia Post declared all "souvenir sheets" (Aust =Mini sheets) to be only valid when attached complete. I have yet to find that evidence. With Australia Post Guidelines of October 2007 deemed 60 previously considered "postage stamps" were now "collectibles" These were previously valid. These were imperforate or semi imperforate. Source: Part page, Australian Stamp Variations 1966-2010
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 20:00:06 GMT
Hier ist ein Beispiel, um zu erklären, was was ist. Der Block mit Gagarin für die Philatelie-Ausstellung. Auf FDC und im Vergleich mit dem Block. Bitte beachten Sie, dass der Nennwert von 25 Kopeken auf dem Block gepunktet ist, um eine postalische Verwendung zu verhindern. In the Soviet Union (perhaps now also in Russia), it was customary to reprint official stamps for special occasions (especially stamp exhibitions) and - since these reprints had no franking authority - to overprint the face value with wave stamps. These reprints should not be confused with official stamp issues.
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 20:09:11 GMT
Quote Where is the stamp in this case? This may take some time. I need to find Australia Post's answer to this question a few years ago. Sorry, rod222 . My question did not relate to the case of the Austalian stamps (or souvenir sheets) you mentioned, but simply to my example. I can't find a separate stamp there....
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 20:13:58 GMT
In Soviet catalogs, this is called the postal block. And it has varieties on thin paper with an ultraviolet glow. I do know that also such issues are listed as souvenir sheets or "blocks" in many catalogs.... I was only interested in the systematics of this classification, which in my opinion is not always beyond all doubt...
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 27, 2023 20:17:51 GMT
Quote Sorry, rod222 . My question did not relate to the case of the Austalian stamps (or souvenir sheets) you mentioned, but simply to my example. I can't find a separate stamp there.... Right, I see I was referring to an instance, whereby I would be met by a fully perforate stamp (removed from the perforated sheet) I would instantly recognise that as a "stamp" and not a souvenir sheet. The confusion only occurs when an imperforate stamp turns up. I would recognise that as a Souvenir sheet, (without having previous knowledge on how they were produced)
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 20:18:12 GMT
And I just wanted to go beyond Gertrude Stein, according to whom a rose is a rose is a rose.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 27, 2023 20:22:46 GMT
From a wobbly memory, both Brazil and Romania, have (in Scott) something akin to " A sheet exists of the *** stamp blah blah" In other words it exists in some orphan type, recognition, being without any formal alpha numeric listing.
I found this thread, these recent posts, to be fascinating, the existence of Souvenir sheets, blocks, mini sheets etc, have had me curious (nay perplexed) prior, but never come across any detailed query / discussion.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 20:35:19 GMT
The confusion only occurs when an imperforate stamp turns up. Why that? Anyone can use a scissor and seperate also an imperforate stamp from a souvenir-sheet. There had been a lot of souvenir sheets in USSR with imperforate stamps (sometimes with only imprinted or partial perforation). And these single stamps were also valid for franking, not only the whole souvenir sheet.
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 21:09:54 GMT
From a wobbly memory, both Brazil and Romania, have (in Scott) something akin to " A sheet exists of the *** stamp blah blah" In other words it exists in some orphan type, recognition, being without any formal alpha numeric listing. As I have learned, one must distinguish - in English terminology - between pane, sheet, miniature sheet, souvenir sheet, booklet and block (the latter epithet in Germany for the souvenir sheet, in English usage for some contiguous stamps from a sheet). As far as it concerns coherent stamps of different denominations from one pane or sheet (se-tenants, tête-bêches, sometimes with labels), the Michel catalog has brought it to a certain perfection of its continuous numbering of all possible variants, at least with regard to Germany (especially the booklet panes of the German Reich).
In my USSR collection, I am currently trying to systematically record (and collect) all these se-tenants from panes and sheets and also the miniature sheets...)
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Oct 27, 2023 21:24:06 GMT
Just as an example, this 1950 USSR se-tenant (Scott ## 1529 and 1530) with blank field in between: It results from a pane for two different miniature sheets and finds no mention in the authoritative catalogs.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 9:29:37 GMT
Today, something that can only be shown quite rarely: the Soviet stamps of December 6, 1950, commemorating the 50th anniversary of the death of the Russian painter Ivan Ayvasovsky (Michel ## 1522 and 1523; Scott ## 1529 and 1530; Zagorsky ## 1497 and 1498), here now as a se-tenant of two miniature sheets from a pane. These issues - like many others in the USSR - were later reprinted (with differences from the first issue in paper and color of the stamp frame). Which issue it is, I will have to research. This will certainly be a challenge.
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Post by gstamps on Nov 1, 2023 11:09:35 GMT
Hi rednaxela. I don't understand the value of 5000 Euro in the Michel catalog for the mini sheet set (2Kleinbogen) If I sum up all the sheet variants (kleinbogen,bogen, Zd-bogen,bogen 4x4 and bogen 5x5) the result is a total of: 40 Mi#1522 x 4 Euros = 160 40 Mi #1523 x 6 Euro = 240 41 Mi #1524 x 10 Euros = 410 Total = 810 Euros. The difference is enormous. Is this the difference in the other catalogs as well?...or is it a mistake in Michel?
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 12:04:20 GMT
Hi rednaxela . I don't understand the value of 5000 Euro in the Michel catalog for the mini sheet set (2Kleinbogen) I can not understand this CV in the Michel catalog of a total of 5,000 euros either. It is also not shown in the actual market. I have acquired these miniature sheets at a much (!) lower price than the catalog value indicates. Some notes on the price relations to other comparably valuable USSR stamps, here at the examples of Michel for Germany and Zikorsky for Russia. I have taken as an example for comparison of these relations the unissued stamp for Voroshilovgrad from 1958 (I have already posted about this): Aivasovsky miniature sheets: Zigorsky 730,000 Rubles, Michel 5,000 Euros. Voroshilowgrad: Zigorsky 35,000 Rubles, Michel 1,500 Euros. In the Zigorsky, the Aivasovsky miniature sheets thus value/valuated at nearly 21 times the catalog price of the Voroshilovs stamp (730,000 : 35,000). In the Michel catalog, on the other hand, the Aivasovsky miniature sheets are/were valued at 3.3 times the Voroshilov stamp (5,000 : 1,500). These are certainly not the most current catalog valuations, but they indicate (regardless of the exchange rate!) that the Michel catalog even set a very restrained valuation compared to the (at least at that time) catalog valuations in Russia.
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 12:15:27 GMT
One more note: According to the Michel catalog, price indications in italics should indicate "that the valuation documents are not sufficient for an unambiguous price determination".
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Post by gstamps on Nov 1, 2023 13:55:27 GMT
Thanks rednaxela, I didn't notice that 5000 is in italics. I think the value is given for 2 separate Kleinbogen (2x5 Mi1522 and 2x5 Mi 1523. What you have is Zd-bogen. (2x5 + 2x5)
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 14:07:29 GMT
Hallo gstamps. Since such se-tenants of miniature sheets are even rarer than single miniature sheets, the CV should actually be even higher. But again: I have acquired this se-tenant at very significantly less than the italicized Michel CV!
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 16:24:45 GMT
Hallo gstamps . Since such se-tenants of miniature sheets are even rarer than single miniature sheets, the CV should actually be even higher. But again: I have acquired this se-tenant at very significantly less than the italicized Michel CV! Zd-bogen (2x5 + 2x5) costs in the limit of $ 150 per sheet. You can easily find it on sale, but I haven't seen small sheets separately for a long time. And this sheet is a repeat edition of 1957. Thank you very much, kosmo73 . I also like to become smarter and learn more. However, I have not suffered any economic damage... How exactly can you identify that it is the 1957 reprint? By the way, two individual miniature sheets are currently being offered on German eBay for a total price of 5,999.99 euros....
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rednaxela
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Posts: 177
What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 1, 2023 17:10:34 GMT
How exactly can you identify that it is the 1957 reprint?
It is very easy to determine) We need to open the catalog and look. In any case, we then also first need the catalog in which these differences are described, so that we can open it. (In the Zagorsky it is only referred to the fact that the reprints differ in paper and frame color and in the pattern of printing the stamps on the sheet/pane).
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Jan 31, 2024 18:53:57 GMT
1977, Third Constitution of the Soviet UnionAs I wrote in my post ' A 1980 Summer Holiday in Слънчев бряг,' during the 1980 summer holiday in Слънчев бряг, Bulgaria, we bought some stamps from a stamp shop. In addition to the Bulgarian stamps, we bought a few Soviet stamps issued in 1977. On 7 October 1977, the Supreme Soviet, unanimously, adopted the third constitution of the Soviet Union. It was signed by the chairman of the Presidium, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev. Known as the Brezhnev Constitution, this replaced the constitution of 1936. Consequently, the ‘Constitution Day’ public holiday was changed from 5 December to 7 October. The adoption of the Brezhnev Constitution was celebrated with a stamp issue on 7 October 1977 (Mi. 4667). A further stamp advertising the adoption of the new constitution was issued on 31 October 1977 (Mi. 4668) and a miniature sheet (Mi. BL 124) containing a single stamp (Mi. 4669). As if this was not enough, another miniature sheet (Mi. BL 125) with a single stamp depicting Chairman Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev (Mi. 4670) was issued on 2 November 1977. I think I have a copy of the constitution lying around somewhere. I asked the Embassy of the Soviet Union to send me material for a school project. I received a large, thick envelope with a lot of material. If my memory serves me, the material included an English copy of the constitution.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Jan 31, 2024 20:44:37 GMT
And a year later, another souvenir sheet was even published to celebrate the new Soviet constitution of 1977 (Michel souvenir sheet # 132).
This is variant 2 with a repaired printing plate, recognizable by the shape of the hammer.
This here is variant 2 with a repaired printing plate, recognizable by the shape of the hammer.
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