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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 30, 2022 22:43:40 GMT
If you design pages that are bigger than A4/US Letter, where do you print them?
I made some 10 x 11 1/2 pages for Ukraine and had them printed for me on Scott Equivalent cream-colored paper.
And I'm not really happy with the results.
The output looks dark grey, and not black. The images are pretty washed out. Nothing is crisp and clear. And it looks like the printer could have used a good head cleaning before the person tried to print these out.
I really like the larger format, but this quality is unacceptable to me.
I would prefer to not buy a large format printer, with how much ink it would use, and how infrequently I would use it. So, I'm more than willing to send someone a PDF and just get pages in the mail.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 30, 2022 22:47:32 GMT
This is a cell phone picture of what I got back.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 30, 2022 22:51:03 GMT
And just to add, I will admit I am really picky about this stuff. I did IT support for a graphic arts department for a long time. With modern printers, pages should look as good as what comes off a printing press.
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 31, 2022 9:46:18 GMT
Hi Andy
Did you use a "mom-and-pop" print shop? If not, and if possible, try one. They are very kowledgeable and willing to help out. I used one to layout my quadrille pages and print them.
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Post by angore on Mar 31, 2022 11:05:46 GMT
If I was serious about printing on large format paper, I would search for a used large format laser printer. These are designed to last as opposed to inkjets that tend to be more a disposable device. An enterprising person could start a stamp page print shop as a service to collectors but someone has, The person below mentioned on Steiner's website does this You may want to contact him. United States Richard S. Simpson 10200 Westwood Dr. Columbia MD 21044 (phone deleted-see Steiner web site under Useful Information) email: stampalbumpages@gmail.com Website: www.albumpages.netRick can provide not only 8 1/2 x 11" pages, but also any of the pages printed on Scott International or Specialty sized paper. He also offers a very high quality, acid-free paper suitable for printing the pages yourself for 10c a page - contact him for more details.
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 31, 2022 11:46:15 GMT
Hi angore
Nice to know.
However, I got the impression, right or wrong, that Andy laid out the page and the page was "reproduced" by the printer he used. Can Rick handle that situation or must it be a Steiner page (I assume on disk).
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Post by angore on Mar 31, 2022 11:56:26 GMT
I am sure Andy can provide a PDF. For example, when I was a newsletter editor I sent the printer a PDF. It was in 11x17 format since it was printed on 11x17 paper then folded, trimmed to even pages, then saddle stapled. This created a booklet of 8 1/2 x 11 pages.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 31, 2022 12:50:56 GMT
This was a PDF I produced. I found another issue with the pages. It looks like the person printed them and used the "Shrink to Fit" setting turned on in the print dialog, so none of the stamp boxes are the correct size.
Most large format printers I find are inkjet that use rather expensive cartridges. And my experience with inkjets is that if you don't use them, they clog and require frequent head cleaning. And the other issue is finding Scott-size paper to run through the printer that is inkjet friendly.
Finding someone that has the paper and can print on demand for a certain price per page is very appealing.
I also feel like they did not use the "high quality" setting on the printer dialog.
I'm really tempted to ask for a refund, but I don't know if this was just miscommunication between the seller and myself, since this was a custom print job and not what they usually do. I am VERY PICKY about how my output looks. With my home printers, I can get stuff looking as good as a printed book, even on an Inkjet printer. So, I kind of expect others to do the same, especially when they're producing output I'm paying for.
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Post by angore on Mar 31, 2022 13:14:45 GMT
The fact they did not be sure the "scaling" setting was not set does not indicate they have what it takes to do the job. That is PDF printing 101.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 31, 2022 15:37:55 GMT
I looked online and Brother makes a large format inkjet printer that uses tanks of ink instead of cartridges. They're around $300. That might be worth looking at.
I woud prefer to find an old black and white large format laser printer somewhere. I'll keep looking.
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Post by elfstone99 on Mar 31, 2022 16:03:07 GMT
I have an Epson 7820 wide format inkjet printer, and honestly, it does a great job if you have the right settings selected. The ink is expensive, and I heard you can use the recycled cartridges (I haven't tried that yet and not sure I want to risk it), but the output is very, very good.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 1, 2022 1:02:48 GMT
If I choose to go down this road, where can I get paper that's cream colored, 10" by 11 1/2" and is inkjet friendly?
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 1, 2022 1:13:04 GMT
So, I measured the pages. The printer said the pages were 10 x 11 1/2. They're not. They're a little smaller. They're 250x290.
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Post by Jerry B on Apr 1, 2022 7:29:08 GMT
Hi Andy
Again. Go to a mom-and-pop print shop. They have all sorts of resources for paper.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 2, 2022 14:16:25 GMT
For people that print larger sizes do you feed pre-cut paper through the printer, or do you print on 11x17 paper and then cut it down afterwards?
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Post by PostmasterGS on Apr 2, 2022 14:30:45 GMT
Andy,
Back when I used Schaubek-sized paper (276mm x 292mm), I had the paper cut first. That was driven almost entirely by the decision I made regarding paper. I found the color, weight, type, etc., I wanted from a local paper supplier, bought it in large sheets (I could get 4 Schaubeks from 1 sheet), then had a local print shop cut it to size and drill the holes since I didn't have a hole punch that would match Schaubeks. When all was said and done, I had a couple large boxes of blank album pages.
That decision might have been different if I was using a paper that was easily available off the shelf in 11x17. I tended to lose a lot of sheets of that hard-acquired paper to bad prints, spelling errors, etc.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 2, 2022 15:12:57 GMT
That decision might have been different if I was using a paper that was easily available off the shelf in 11x17. I tended to lose a lot of sheets of that hard-acquired paper to bad prints, spelling errors, etc. Tell me about it! I have lost so many due to errors in spelling, sizing of frames and re-jigging the whole page! It's a fact of life that some will be lost this way! I got upset when I first started printing my own pages, but why bother now? Print another and be done with it!
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Post by angore on Apr 2, 2022 19:28:16 GMT
If I had a 11-inch wide printer, I suspect I would not trim the 11-inch dimension before printing but it is a combination of paper feeding specifics and software set up. For example, you can define a very custom size or design on a standard size (11x17) and change print margins to accommodate. I had to do this once to print something on 8.5x5.5 peper. The printer did not like the size.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 2, 2022 20:10:08 GMT
That's my concern. If I tell it to print 10 1/2 x 11 pages, the printer driver may not like that size and complain.
I like the idea of printing on larger pages, so I can get more stamps on each page, which will reduce the overall thickness of my albums. But I will also be limiting myself to which binders I can use.
I'd like my printer to have the following features:
1. Really prefer an inkjet printer because of price 2. Must have a Linux driver of some kind 3. MUST use ink tanks instead of cartridges 4. Can't be an HP printer
I would love to find a used 11x17 black and white laser printer, but I'm not having any luck.
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Post by elfstone99 on Apr 3, 2022 0:27:36 GMT
That's my concern. If I tell it to print 10 1/2 x 11 pages, the printer driver may not like that size and complain. I like the idea of printing on larger pages, so I can get more stamps on each page, which will reduce the overall thickness of my albums. But I will also be limiting myself to which binders I can use. I'd like my printer to have the following features: 1. Really prefer an inkjet printer because of price 2. Must have a Linux driver of some kind 3. MUST use ink tanks instead of cartridges 4. Can't be an HP printer I would love to find a used 11x17 black and white laser printer, but I'm not having any luck. You are over thinking this. With my Epson, I tell it custom size job, input the size on the touch pad, and save it as "International" for international size pages, and "Specialty" for specialty pages. Under "print using system dialog" I select the tray, the paper size I named, and check other options that are needed, and it does the job and prints. Not complicated. Ink tanks vs cartridges. Doesn't matter. Both are expensive, so pick your poison. HP printers aren't the greatest. I never had one that lasted more than 2 years. Get whatever printer brand you like, give it a try, and if you don't like it return it. That's the only way you will decide if this is your thing.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 3, 2022 2:29:20 GMT
The problem with HP printers is they chip EVERYTHING, even their toner cartridges. My friend worked for HP back in the 2000s. After HP invented their chip technology, the profit pie chart at the company meetings showed that more than 50% of corporate profits came from ink.
I agree with you in durability of modern HP printers. In the 90s and earlier, HP printers were built to last. I had an HP DeskJet 932 that I bought in the 90s had for close to a decade. The thing was tank. It was heavy. It was durable. And it just worked. But the shelf I had it on broke and the printer fell 6 feet to the floor and the case cracked and would not print any more. The next HP I got was really crappy and came with "Starter ink." That printed about 20 pages before you need to buy genuine ink. That think broke on me 4 times under warranty. I remember I saved all the starter ink cartridges and tried to use them later and the printer would not let me. It told me that the printer had already used a regular cartridge and was allowed to use starter ink any more.
Then HP started to demand that you mail back the cartridges with the printer, so they could verify you were using genuine cartridges. Which meant that you were mailing back pretty full, very expensive cartridges, and getting back starter ink again. At that point, I bailed on HP and went to Canon. Now I am on Epson.
Since that 932 broke, I have been through 5 different printers.
I have an Epson ET-2750 now, which is an EcoTank printer. I bought it two years ago. I have yet to buy ink for it. The tanks are still half full. And the tanks are filled with bottles which are impossible to chip with the way Epson set them. And the filling system is interesting. When you first get it, you empty the bottles into it, and 10% of each color gets left behind. Then you turn on the printer and it has to "prime the feed," which takes about 5 minutes and reduces the ink tanks by 10%. You're then supposed to reinsert the bottle and let the leftover ink fill each tank to 100%. I was really impressed that Epson went to the trouble to make sure each tank was filled 100% before you did your first print.
Now when my print heads clog and I need to clean them, I don't even think twice about it.
As a printer the ET-2750 has been pretty rock solid. The only issue I've had is flaky firmware updates. It's been bricked twice by a bad firmware update. But Epson happily exchanged it even when it was out of warranty. The last year, all the firmware updates have been pretty solid. No more bricking.
So, from my experience, tank printers are WAY cheaper to operate than cartridge printers. And when I had a cartridge printer, I would buy third party ink cartridges from LD Products and the driver would nag me that I am not using genuine ink. Not a real big deal for me, but it really bothered my wife and kids.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 3, 2022 2:41:12 GMT
And I just learned something else about tank printers. The black ink bottles are almost always pigmented ink, and the other 3 colors are dye based inks. So, if you have paper that isn't coated to prevent inkjet feathering, if you print in "greyscale" or "black and white," your text will look very crisp and clean.
I tried ths on some Neenan paper that I bought. I printed the same page in greyscale and color. The greyscale looks so much better than the color print. Real crisp, like a laser printer looks.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Apr 3, 2022 3:05:57 GMT
Geez. I am such a nerd! This just solved a huge problem I have been having with my inkjet printer. When I am using thicker paper, I always got a tiny bit of it feathering. Just enough to make the text look just a tiny bit less sharp. It also looks now like it has an ever so slight blue tint to the black text. By printing in greyscale, the printer now only uses the black ink tank full of pigmented ink. Everything looks so crisp and clean and DARK black.
So I took my Ukraine pages and removed the color flag and country outline off the top and regenerated the PDF. I then made a PDF of just the flag and country. I printed the supplement out in greyscale, then loaded the printer back up with the printed pages and printed the flag and country out on every page in color.
And when I print pages at maximum quality in greyscale, they print so much faster than they do when I print in color. So, even though I need to print everything out twice, I get done much faster than I did when I printed everything as one colored page.
Well, it looks like I'm going to be remounting some stamps now.
God bless my wife for putting up with me. But I gotta say, experimenting like this is what got me through the lockdowns without going insane. That, and having my wife and kids with me.
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