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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 21:20:35 GMT
InI was fortunate recently in purchasing an unusual £1-40 Preston mill booklet, the vendor had advertised it as a booklet with doctor blade flaws (streaks). Having purchased it I noticed that two of the stamps attached to the selvedge also had a partly missing background. This is the complete booklet in question. >  Here is the right hand section of the booklet (enlarged). >  Here is the section (enlarged) with the partly missing background. >  I believe I have discovered quite a rare booklet that is possibly unique having dual printing errors, if anyone else possesses a similar booklet I would like to hear from them or any comments you may wish to make, thank you, Paperchase. |
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Post by renden on Apr 28, 2022 22:36:46 GMT
I am trying to find the absent background (complete to make it a variety)  it must be the scans or my aging eyes....... René too many posts |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 23:15:49 GMT
What you like renden, I think you need to make an appointment with Specsavers  Have another peek at the last attachment and a couple of words have been written saying " partially missing background colour" with a small arrow pointing to the area in question, I can't be any clearer than that. |
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Post by renden on Apr 28, 2022 23:32:21 GMT
What you like renden, I think you need to make an appointment with Specsavers  Have another peek at the last attachment and a couple of words have been written saying " partially missing background colour" with a small arrow pointing to the area in question, I can't be any clearer than that. Partial is not complete so it does not meet my criteria (in Canada stamps...just my saying ) for a variety and it has to be " constant" or it will not qualify You have a keen observation and a good microscope Yahoo ! Appreciate your work ....keep it coming I have an appt with Optometrist next week, btw  René in frienlyness !! or whatever + you call it in "english" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 23:45:43 GMT
If a thing is not complete, it is partially missing.
In English "part of it is missing", in other words it's not all there as it should be.
This particular error is not constant, hence a possible rarity !
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 28, 2022 23:52:37 GMT
Come on Rene !
there is a 3-4 mm white stripe clearly visible down two stamps behind the Queen’s head. As it is vertical and affects two stamps it probably extended up and down a larger sheet
Now as these stamp booklets are prepared by guillotine from a larger sheet there are probably one or two more booklets out there to be found by the specialist , perhaps as many as 10.
It may be a freak ,whether or not it gets catalogue status depends entirely on the catalogue editor, but it is certainly a variety and just as “constant” as any missing Colour
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Post by renden on Apr 29, 2022 0:56:57 GMT
Come on Rene ! there is a 3-4 mm white stripe clearly visible down two stamps behind the Queen’s head. As it is vertical and affects two stamps it probably extended up and down a larger sheet Now as these stamp booklets are prepared by guillotine from a larger sheet there are probably one or two more booklets out there to be found by the specialist , perhaps as many as 10. It may be a freak ,whether or not it gets catalogue status depends entirely on the catalogue editor, but it is certainly a variety and just as “ constant” as any missing Colour EH !! life goes on in the fast lane - In Canada we have our criteria and I certainly did not mean bad on this one - Good observation indeed !! So this is my opinion.....not a simple discussion. As for documentation in catalogues - not my job - I just gave an opinion - As my great friend and expert (Canada) Robert Coulson @wert said to me numerous times, all we see has to be corroborated and checked by experts (in our Country, Ralph Trimble is our expert and does take part in our Canada Unitrade Specialized Cat) and if you go back to his posts on TSF since he died this year, you will see the analytical approach he used and lots of Microscope and research. Everything in Canada is going through BNAPS in study groups. Alex, I appreciate your " experience" etc. so no problems there With friendliness - René |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 8:11:49 GMT
Gentlemen: I am sure that we don't need to argue, but need to discuss the situation in a reasonable manner, as I see it, it's not just the two stamps with the partial missing background, it's in combination with the streaky printing of the others as a complete booklet, the stamps as individuals are worth much less than in combination.
Both of your comments are appreciated........ Paperchase
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Post by renden on Apr 29, 2022 12:41:38 GMT
Gentlemen: I am sure that we don't need to argue, but need to discuss the situation in a reasonable manner, as I see it, it's not just the two stamps with the partial missing background, it's in combination with the streaky printing of the others as a complete booklet, the stamps as individuals are worth much less than in combination. Both of your comments are appreciated........ Paperchase Do agree with you paperchase To argue is to give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view. Arguments in TSF should be a friendly as possible - Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 15:45:53 GMT
Now as these stamp booklets are prepared by guillotine from a larger sheet there are probably one or two more booklets out there to be found by the specialist , perhaps as many as 10. It may be a freak ,whether or not it gets catalogue status depends entirely on the catalogue editor, but it is certainly a variety and just as “ constant” as any missing Colour I have a tendency to agree with vikingeck......... It may have been that originally several hundred of these booklets having this specific error was printed and distributed throughout the country, but purchased by the general public who used them to send their correspondence, so therefore it will only be a small percentage of the original quantity that has survived. That is the reason why I have asked any collector who possesses a similar booklet to contact me. This type of booklet having a double printing error makes it unique, and collectors of booklets, or even Machin stamps in general would no doubt like the to have this particular specimen in their collection. The item is certainly an unknown factor at this current time ! Paperchase |
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Post by drblade on Apr 29, 2022 19:31:46 GMT
InI was fortunate recently in purchasing an unusual £1-40 Preston mill booklet, the vendor had advertised it as a booklet with doctor blade flaws (streaks). Having purchased it I noticed that two of the stamps attached to the selvedge also had a partly missing background. This is the complete booklet in question. > Here is the right hand section of the booklet (enlarged). > Here is the section (enlarged) with the partly missing background. > I believe I have discovered quite a rare booklet that is possibly unique having dual printing errors, if anyone else possesses a similar booklet I would like to hear from them or any comments you may wish to make, thank you, Paperchase. Hi Paperchase. I've been working on hundreds of Machin specialist items recently. Not seen 1 like these though. They definitely look unique. Came across a different pair with bases of the stamp image missing about 4mm on each. If I was to guess at your booklets it would be a combination of lack of ink in the cylinders and doctor blade flaws at the same time but that's just a guess?? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 20:17:21 GMT
InI was fortunate recently in purchasing an unusual £1-40 Preston mill booklet, the vendor had advertised it as a booklet with doctor blade flaws (streaks). Hi Paperchase. I've been working on hundreds of Machin specialist items recently. Not seen 1 like these though. They definitely look unique. Came across a different pair with bases of the stamp image missing about 4mm on each. If I was to guess at your booklets it would be a combination of lack of ink in the cylinders and doctor blade flaws at the same time but that's just a guess?? Good evening drblade, that's a similar conclusion to which I came to, in that a doctor blade flaw (the streaky appearance) had covered every stamp in the booklet and that two of the stamps had been affected through a lack of ink on the cylinder. This definition was also given by Hanns Fasching editor of the Deegam catalogue when I contacted him some months ago. It's most unusual though to find 2 printing errors happening at the same time, which gives it it's uniqueness along with the possibility of it being quite rare dependant on quantities known in the hands of philatelists. |
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it must be the scans or my aging eyes.......
