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Post by rod222 on Feb 4, 2024 2:08:48 GMT
Parliament Postmark. Undated. TELEGRAPH DESPATCH / HASTINGS Hasting Postal and Telegraph office, subsequent to the 1931 Earthquake Hastings Telegraph Operators link
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Post by nzgrant on Feb 12, 2024 8:24:17 GMT
I picked up this stamp recently. The A/39 obliterator has the "9" reversed. PSNZ Vol 3 states "The obliterator with A 39 (No 27) appears to have had the figure 9 reversed. It was withdrawn from Ngaruawahia and was later used, for a short time, at Rarotonga to cancel the postage stamps of the Cook Islands".
What puzzles me is why this obliterator was kept in use and not discarded. Did the post office at the time have a sense of humour?
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Post by rod222 on Feb 12, 2024 9:08:16 GMT
I picked up this stamp recently. The A/39 obliterator has the "9" reversed. PSNZ Vol 3 states "The obliterator with A 39 (No 27) appears to have had the figure 9 reversed. It was withdrawn from Ngaruawahia and was later used, for a short time, at Rarotonga to cancel the postage stamps of the Cook Islands".
What puzzles me is why this obliterator was kept in use and not discarded. Did the post office at the time have a sense of humour? I'd suggest a mixture of thrift, rules, then necessity. At that time, a lead time of at least 6 months, for new obliterators?
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Post by nzgrant on Mar 20, 2024 3:37:35 GMT
For some reason, I can't add images anymore. Has something changed on the Forum?
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Post by philatelia on Mar 20, 2024 6:07:23 GMT
For some reason, I can't add images anymore. Has something changed on the Forum? Just tested and both forum hosting and imgbb worked for me - used silly pics from my baking blog. Did you recently do a software update? Forum; ImgBB. (Haha made ya laugh!)
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2024 14:06:55 GMT
For some reason, I can't add images anymore. Has something changed on the Forum? You have been using imgbb.com to host your images (the Add image to post button). That is not a Forum host so I can't provide an answer as to why you can't post images now. Perhaps they are having problems on their end.
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Post by nzgrant on Mar 20, 2024 22:20:57 GMT
I bought a bulk lot of Penny Universals at the recent ACS auction. There were lots of old postmarks of interest including these two. Both start with "TE HO". Given the placement of the letters, there are 3-4 characters after the "O" which means the candidate POs are TE HOUHI (21/7/05-11/8/13, Wooders grade 10) and TE HOUKA (1/1/81-6/11/20, Wooders grade 7). The stamp on the left looks to have an "I" showing on the left side partial postmark, indicating that it probably a TE HOUHI. The 1906 date is in the open range for this PO. The stamp on the right can be read as TE HOUHI but is dated OC 20, well after the closure of this PO. Of the thousands of stamps in the lot, those with postmarks look to be all in the 1901-07 date range as would be expected with these stamps, so a 1920 is unlikely. The numbers have not been reversed as the PO was not open in 1902. So, I'm guessing that the year numbers were set up incorrectly that day. Or maybe, the old date stamp was put back into use at the PO in 1920 at KOPURIKI which was the new name for the PO from 11/8/13. Interestingly, the OC does not line up with the day and year numerals, possibly the result of a double strike. Any thoughts?
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Post by DK on Mar 20, 2024 22:58:08 GMT
I think you have covered all bases there pretty well Grant.
It is a shame, if the first one is Te Houhi, that it isnt complete, to avoid debate and command a nice return if offered for sale as a '10'! BTW, I think it could be Te Houhi looking at Wooders book and the few possibilities it might be!
The 2nd one does , indeed, appear to be Te Houhi, if not a little blurred due to a heavy strike. However, as you point out, the date of 1920 does appear awkward if Wooders is correct that it stopped being used in 1913!
In A.R Marshalls book he has, under remarks for Te Houhi, the following : Dates definitely as shown but error in one or other date (Whatever that means!). Name to Kopuriki.
I note that Wooders has Kopuriki as being open from 11/8/1913 until 31/3/1948 - and used a 'J' class CDS canceller.
A bit of a mystery therefore on that worn 'Dot' plate example. Well out of period if used in 1920!
Dave
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Post by DK on Mar 20, 2024 23:00:48 GMT
Note: ADMIN or Moderator
Could the name of this thread be amended to read "New Zealand: Cancellation Types & Postmark Discussion"
That title would better reflect the chat about postmarks.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Dave
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Post by nzgrant on Mar 21, 2024 4:48:06 GMT
I think you have covered all bases there pretty well Grant. It is a shame, if the first one is Te Houhi, that it isnt complete, to avoid debate and command a nice return if offered for sale as a '10'! BTW, I think it could be Te Houhi looking at Wooders book and the few possibilities it might be! The 2nd one does , indeed, appear to be Te Houhi, if not a little blurred due to a heavy strike. However, as you point out, the date of 1920 does appear awkward if Wooders is correct that it stopped being used in 1913! In A.R Marshalls book he has, under remarks for Te Houhi, the following : Dates definitely as shown but error in one or other date (Whatever that means!). Name to Kopuriki. I note that Wooders has Kopuriki as being open from 11/8/1913 until 31/3/1948 - and used a 'J' class CDS canceller. A bit of a mystery therefore on that worn 'Dot' plate example. Well out of period if used in 1920! Dave Thanks Dave. It is a useful reminder to not place too much trust in postmark dates. The most extreme example I have is this one from Ohoka in North Canterbury. Apart from lines being upside down, the year of 1938 is pretty unlikely. Looks like a Die II 2d, so 1883 wouldn't be right either. I think the kids were playing around in the back of the post office that day! Grant
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Post by DK on Mar 21, 2024 20:51:56 GMT
Now that canceller is well and truly 'mucked up' isn't it? Must have been a junior staffer in charge that day!! lol
Dave
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Post by skid on Mar 23, 2024 18:44:20 GMT
Could it be 88 and they picked up the wrong number or couldn't find a second 8
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Post by redkiwi on Mar 24, 2024 14:15:07 GMT
Adding an example of a concentic circle obliterator cancel that was issued to POs in the Wellington PD in the early 1880s. These are seemingly pretty rare as they were made of rubber and didn't last very long.
This example is '27', which I believe, after some recent research, is likely the PO at Kuripuni, near Masterton.
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Post by DK on Mar 24, 2024 21:25:47 GMT
Could it be 88 and they picked up the wrong number or couldn't find a second 8 I think you are right there Mark. It is probably an incomplete '8' that looks like a '3'. 88 for 1888 would fit Dave
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Post by DK on Mar 24, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
A lovely cover there Klem. A rare postmark for sure!
Those 'rubber' cancellers sure do make them hard to read sometimes. How did you get '27' from that! lol
I don't believe I possess that type of cancellation on any stamp, but it won't stop me from going and having 'another' look.
Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Mar 25, 2024 8:08:46 GMT
A lovely cover there Klem. A rare postmark for sure! Those 'rubber' cancellers sure do make them hard to read sometimes. How did you get '27' from that! lol I don't believe I possess that type of cancellation on any stamp, but it won't stop me from going and having 'another' look. Dave Yes, it's a little tough to spot initially. Here's the image reveal which helps.
Adding an image from PSoNZ vol III of what these Wellington circular oblits looked like:
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Post by DK on Mar 25, 2024 20:56:16 GMT
Much clearer to see now, lol.
Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Apr 19, 2024 15:16:44 GMT
I'd appreciate second opinions on the below cancel. It looks legit to me, but want to be sure. Any stamp that increases in value with a cancel needs careful checking ... Thanks, RK
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Post by DK on Apr 19, 2024 22:40:14 GMT
Looks genuine from afar Klem. I do note that the date of 17 November 1925 was the 'official' first day of the exhibition. The canceller used would have been brand new and 'crisp' on this date. Here are the three values in the set - with Exhibition cancels: And a small piece on the exhibition from the web: New Zealand and South Seas International Exhibition opens 17 November 1925
Postcard of NZ and South Seas International Exhibition site (Alexander Turnbull Library, 1-2-002372-F) Governor-General Sir Charles Fergusson opened Dunedin’s New Zealand and South Seas International Exhibition in November 1925. By the time the exhibition closed in May 1926, it had attracted over 3.2 million visitors, more than double New Zealand’s total population at the time. Promoted by the Otago Expansion League in response to the population and economic drift north, the exhibition site was on reclaimed land at Lake Logan, near the University of Otago. Architect Edmund Anscombe designed seven pavilions linked by covered walkways around a grand court of reflecting pools leading to the domed Festival Hall. The buildings occupied approximately 16 acres (6½ ha). There was an art gallery, a fernery (with a waterfall and streams), and an amusement area with seven major rides and a fun factory featuring a large comic-face entrance. It appears southerners never tired of the exhibition during the 24 weeks it was running – the closing Saturday had a record attendance of 83,935. It would be a long wait for the next exhibition on a similar scale: the Centennial Exhibition held in Wellington in 1939–40. Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Apr 20, 2024 6:18:58 GMT
Looks genuine from afar Klem. I do note that the date of 17 November 1925 was the 'official' first day of the exhibition. The canceller used would have been brand new and 'crisp' on this date. Here are the three values in the set - with Exhibition cancels: Dave Thanks for the second opinion, Dave. I was being cautious as this is an eBay purchase from a seller that has, at times, had items that are not 100%. It also came in a odd lot with some other Dunedin Exhibition items mixed with early 20th century Soviet, Italian, and South African issues, but I thought it wasn't bad for $80.
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Post by DK on Apr 24, 2024 23:14:51 GMT
I am not sure about the foreign items in that lot Klem, but the Dunedin Exhibition items alone would be worth that, if not a bit more! Well done.
Dave
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