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Post by philatelia on Jun 24, 2022 21:53:44 GMT
I have the CEI catalog for Vatican City and I’ve begun to study the varieties listed. I am having trouble with translations. Can anyone help? carta ricongiunta - google translates as “rejoined paper”. Could this mean “imperforate” ? But that doesn’t jive with the “ Varieta di carta” which means “paper variety” Some type of paper?? It’s not watermark - that word is filigrana. Imperforate is “non dentellato” I don’t see any terms regarding tagging or fluorescence in the philatelic terms/translations lists, so I don’t think they ever used tagging. thank you! I’ll post future queries here in this thread.  |
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Post by khj on Jun 25, 2022 2:49:47 GMT
The term is to be taken literally -- paper that has been rejoined. In other collecting areas, similar (although not exactly the same appearance/usage) include paste-up pairs, spliced pairs...
I don't know the appearance for the specific example you gave, but in other carta ricongiunta examples, the splice may impact the printing of the stamp significantly, or almost barely. But under close examination, you can clearly see it is two pieces of paper joined together. If you didn't know better, you might suspect it was a repair job.
When I see them, I normally see them collected as pairs, showing the spliced stamp and a normal stamp.
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Post by khj on Jun 25, 2022 2:53:57 GMT
I am hot-linking these examples, so not sure how long the pics will still be viewable. Here is an examples of obvious carta ricongiunta (right stamp):  and an example of not-so-obvious carta ricongiunta (top stamp):  |
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Post by philatelia on Jun 25, 2022 7:30:08 GMT
Omg THANK YOU so much! This is something completely new to me - I’ve never encountered anything like that! I do have Irish paste up pairs, but the paper overlaps on those, it doesn’t look like it has been fused as in these examples. I wonder if this can be found on any other country’s stamps or is this unique to the Italian stamp manufacturing process? In any case, FASCINATING. ‘You larned me sumthin” lol!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 25, 2022 8:11:57 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread, Terri ( philatelia), as I have already learned something new from it, too. Kim ( khj), I really like the images you chose to illustrate the "rejoined paper" varieties, so I have saved copies of those images on the TSF Image Host site and replaced the ones in your post. That way, we can be sure that these will not disappear on us unexpectedly. Until reading these posts, I had never heard about or seen these stamps printed on rejoined paper. |
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Post by philatelia on Jun 25, 2022 8:18:58 GMT
I added Carta Ricongiunta to the thread title so that it will be easier to find in searches. and, for comparison, here is a pic of a paste up pair from Ireland; the original post and better pic can be seen here - thestampforum.boards.net/post/112744/thread |
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 25, 2022 11:16:09 GMT
Canadian coils can be found like this. Paste-up's always in pairs, like khj mentioned. Those stamps must have been their version of coils? That's quite the job if it was done to a sheet of stamps!
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Post by philatelia on Jun 25, 2022 11:21:47 GMT
None of the Vatican stamps that have a carta ricongiunta variety listed in my CEI catalog was issued as a coil, so the seam possibly extends across an entire sheet. It would be very interesting to examine a full sheet with the rejoined seam. They do certainly look like repairs, don’t they?
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Post by JeffS on Jun 25, 2022 11:37:56 GMT
khj I believe your .05 lire Italy pair shows a preprinting paper fold thus expanded. Neat item
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Post by rex on Jun 25, 2022 16:27:01 GMT
My little contribution to this thread. Carta ricongiunta. Rejoined paper, a particular variety of rotary printing, which occurs when some specimens of the sheet are imprinted on the strip of paper or on the adhesive that are used to join two paper rolls, this variety is rare and even if not very sought after is well quoted on catalogs. Image taken from the Sassone Specializations catalog, and explanation from Il Postalista. |
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Post by rex on Jun 25, 2022 16:42:59 GMT
More images for the forum archive. |
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Post by rex on Jun 25, 2022 17:10:35 GMT
 
A new sheet from the 1967 issue for the centenary of the birth of Arturo Toscanini printed on rejoined paper. Nine specimens show this rare variety. |
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 25, 2022 18:55:27 GMT
Your first stamp Kim is not rejoined paper, but it’s a crease on the paper during the printing which has created the jump that can be seen.
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 25, 2022 18:57:38 GMT
I will also not speak of rejoined paper for the Irish stamps of Terri, which seems two separate printings joined after they have been printed (and perforated)
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 25, 2022 19:01:04 GMT
Rejoined paper is mostly a repairing of a broken sheet or coil, gluing the two sides together or with the help of a paper stripe
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Post by khj on Jun 26, 2022 1:16:29 GMT
khj I believe your .05 lire Italy pair shows a preprinting paper fold thus expanded. Neat item Your first stamp Kim is not rejoined paper, but it’s a crease on the paper during the printing which has created the jump that can be seen. That's what I would have said based on the picture as well. It certainly appears that the paper unfolded, separating the design and leaving a white band. But the item is sold as carta ricongiunta by a European dealer who has a number of high-ticket carta ricongiunta stamps and other EFOs. So I assumed the dealer could see something (maybe on back of stamp) that I could not see. Given that, it was probably not a good choice of pics on my part. Subsequent pics by rex are much better examples. |
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Post by khj on Jun 26, 2022 1:38:06 GMT
Paste-up pairs... are done after printing, so part of the assembly/packaging/distribution process. Primary intent there is to make longer coil rolls. Often these are from the days prior to rotary press, or using sheets from flat plate press.
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