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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 11:16:58 GMT
Edit: This thread was originally titled Need Help from SG Catalogue Users, then changed to Need Help from Linn's Stamp News Subscribers (2nd July), and those specific appeals for help worked. Many thanks to all who responded. I have now once again re-purposed this thread with a broader title name, just to keep everyone informed about my progress.
Hi, everyone: I am doing some research for my article about Cape of Good Hope Triangles, and in the process, I have been studying the notes in the SG Catalogue more closely than I did before. The most recent edition I have is the 2014 SG Stamp Catalogue: Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840-1970. I recently learned that SG changed the COGH anchor watermark image in the catalogue a few years ago, and now I am trying to figure out if they have changed any of the other notes about the Cape Triangle issues. The note in the 2014 edition, which appears just after the listing for COGH SG22 reads: Ideally, I would love to know what is in the current edition of the catalogue (2022), but if anyone can confirm if this statement is the same in any other edition starting with 2015, that would also help. I am trying to determine if the note from 2014 is still current, or if it has been changed between 2015 and now, and if it has been changed, when that occurred. Thanks to anyone who can post a comment.
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Post by anglobob on Jun 29, 2022 11:38:25 GMT
Chris @beryllium Guy I have a 2018 edition and the information is the same.
Anglobob
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 11:43:56 GMT
Thanks, Bob ( anglobob), that's great info and a good start! Can anyone confirm for a more recent edition than 2018? Thanks again, Bob. It is much appreciated.
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Post by rex on Jun 29, 2022 12:57:00 GMT
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2022 13:06:59 GMT
Thank you very much, Ludovico ( rex)! This another good datapoint for me. It's starting to look like the note may still be the same as it was. Does anyone have a newer edition: 2020, 2021, or 2022? If so, please let me know. Thanks again, Ludovico.... much appreciated!
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Post by clivel on Jun 29, 2022 16:49:32 GMT
The identical note is in the 2020 edition. Clive
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Post by banknoteguy on Jun 29, 2022 17:36:40 GMT
Hey Chris,
Maybe you need to look further back to see what they have changed over the years!
My only SG C&BE Stamps is from 1984. It is a line or so different than the newer ones:
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Jun 30, 2022 9:21:37 GMT
I have the 2022 edition and the note is identical.
Dale
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 9:35:11 GMT
Excellent, Dale ( Statesman Stamper), that was just the last piece in the puzzle I was looking for! Many thanks to all who responded to my request for help, it is much appreciated. Sincere thanks to Dale, Jack ( banknoteguy), Clive ( clivel), Ludovico ( rex), and Bob ( anglobob) for your posts. This was the main thing I wanted to know, i.e., that the note is still current. I appreciate Jack's addition that pretty much the same note goes back to 1984. The reason why I am interested in this is because, in fact, I think that there is at least one inaccurate statement in the note, and I am planning to point that out in my article and provide examples that justify my opinion. Just for kicks, if anyone has an older SG Catalogue (earlier than 1984), I would be happy to know how far back the note seems to go. I may put that question to SG and see if they are willing to comment about it.
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Post by angore on Jun 30, 2022 9:38:21 GMT
Have you consider searching the APRL (APS library) for references on COGH articles?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 9:57:11 GMT
Thanks for your post, Al ( angore). I have consulted the APRL in the past, but not so far on this project. I probably should do that. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by angore on Jun 30, 2022 10:05:37 GMT
I will also note I have had issues using the search function (learning how to narrow down the searches). If you send Scott T an email, he should be able to help.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 30, 2022 10:41:11 GMT
Thanks, Al ( angore). I have just sent you a PM.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 14:49:57 GMT
Hi, everyone: Thanks again to all who responded to my original request for help with the SG Catalogue note on Cape Triangles. It was very helpful, and it gave me just the info I needed. I do appreciate it so much when our little community pulls together to help each other out. Now, I am coming to you with a new request. I read online that Sergio Sismondo, a noted US dealer, wrote an article about Cape Triangles for Linn's Stamp News, that was supposed to be published on 15th July 2019. I contacted Linn's, and they said that if I pay them $40 for a weekly online subscription, I can get access to the digital archive, which will include that issue. At the moment, I would prefer not to spend the $40 if I can help it, but I would like to see a copy of the article, as it may impact what I am writing. Can anyone help me with this? Please feel free to post responses in this thread or just PM me, whichever is easier. Thanks again to all!
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Post by philatelia on Jul 2, 2022 15:18:53 GMT
I have a hard copy. I can email pics to you but need an email address.
Cheers
sent links to pics in a tsf message
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 15:47:49 GMT
Many thanks, Terri ( philatelia). I will check out the images in the PMs.
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 2, 2022 19:41:59 GMT
I have a hard copy. I can email pics to you but need an email address. Cheers sent links to pics in a tsf message Wow, you are quick and on the ball with this Terri! David
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2022 20:00:21 GMT
Yes indeed, Terri ( philatelia) has responded super fast! Much appreciated, Terri, thank you! I have now saved the photos, and I am starting to read the article. I am very interested in seeing what the author has to say on the subject and whether there is anything I should be considering or referencing for my project. Thanks again, Terri!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 3, 2022 7:31:26 GMT
Just in case anyone was wondering.... The Linn's Stamp News article by Sergio Sismondo is titled Cape of Good Hope: postal reform and its triangle stamps of 1853. It seems to be part of a series titled "Unveiling Classic Stamps", and it was published on 15-Jul-2019. This is a good article about the history of the region and the start of the postal system in the Cape Colony, including the pre-stamp days. The author uses images of some very nice stamps as illustration. The article strikes me as well written, and Sismondo refers to info from Stevenson [1] at least 2-3 times in his account. The content puts me in mind of one of my own Philatelic Travelogue articles from the TSF Newsletter, where the main gist of the writing is to describe a place and its history and use stamps as illustrations and to support and add to the story. As this is a technique that I have used on multiple occasions myself, I think it is a good one, and that it makes for an enjoyable read. Bottom line: I am planning to include a reference to the Sismondo article in my own article in a section for "Additional Reading", as I think it provides some good background info and Sismondo is widely recognized as an important and influential professional philatelist. The article doesn't deal with identification of the stamps at all, which was what I really wanted to know. Many thanks again to Terri ( philatelia) for the quick and helpful response to my request. I am currently in research mode as I write my article, and I am just trying to be sure that I haven't missed any pre-existing info on my specific topic, which is turning into a bit of a rabbithole, to be honest. Thanks to all who have been helping me in this process! References[1] Stevenson, D. Alan. The Triangular Stamps of Cape of Good Hope. H.R. Harmer Ltd., London, 1950.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 3, 2022 10:21:13 GMT
I have the 2022 edition and the note is identical. Thanks again for this, Dale. May I please ask you to confirm a couple of other things from the 2022 Catalogue? Is the Catalogue Editor still Hugh Jefferies? I found his name on page vii of the 2014 version, and I would like to know if he was still the editor for the latest edition. Also, is the 2022 publication considered as the 124th Edition? I am guessing that this should be the case, since my 2014 is the 116th Edition, but I just wanted to confirm. Anyone who can answer these questions is welcome to respond. I have quoted/tagged Dale since he provided the earlier response. Many thanks, all!
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Jul 5, 2022 20:54:17 GMT
I have the 2022 edition and the note is identical. Thanks again for this, Dale. May I please ask you to confirm a couple of other things from the 2022 Catalogue? Is the Catalogue Editor still Hugh Jefferies? I found his name on page vii of the 2014 version, and I would like to know if he was still the editor for the latest edition. Also, is the 2022 publication considered as the 124th Edition? I am guessing that this should be the case, since my 2014 is the 116th Edition, but I just wanted to confirm. Anyone who can answer these questions is welcome to respond. I have quoted/tagged Dale since he provided the earlier response. Many thanks, all! Sorry. I only just got back to this thread.
Yes, Hugh Jefferies is the editor and it is the 124th edition.
Dale
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 13, 2022 19:37:07 GMT
Just wanted to take a moment to update everyone on how my research is progressing. Thanks again to Al ( angore ) for reminding me about the APRL (American Philatelic Research Library). I had always intended to contact them, but for some reason, I had not done it, and your nudge kicked me into action. I contacted APRL, and I picked up a couple of nice references that I had not previously turned up. I also want to thank michael for your help in providing scans of relevant parts of the Allis book on COGH stamps, published in 1930. The APRL also offered this, but it would have been difficult to get access to the book through them, so you gave me a much easier way. Thanks again! In addition, I also want to thank Jim ( jkjblue ) for all of your posts in the COGH: Stamps thread. There were a lot of challenges in the examples in your accumulations, Jim, and I appreciate how much your posts have really pushed me to some new realizations that I had not picked up on previously. All of that experience will be reflected in what I end up writing, for sure. I have also received help and encouragement from many other members, including Alex ( vikingeck ), Jon ( blaamand ), Morten ( classicalstamps ), Vince ( stanley64 ), René ( renden ), Hugh ( hdm1950 ), and Rob ( REL1948 ), all of whom have contributed to my work, whether they realize it or not! Work on the started draft continues, and I am also reading through all of the references, just to be sure that I haven't missed anything, and that I give credit where credit is due. I will use this thread to give periodic updates on my progress and to make additional pleas for help, if/when needed. Stay stampy, all!
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Post by cjoprey on Jul 14, 2022 9:00:10 GMT
Chris Beryllium Guy - I have a PDF copy of the Philatelic Society's "Postage Stamps of British Africa, Part 1" from 1906 which has a section on COGH - if you're interested in a copy for your reference, PM me and I can arrange to email it to you.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 14, 2022 9:09:38 GMT
Chris ( cjoprey), thanks for your kind offer.... I would love to have a copy of that. I will send you a PM.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 10, 2022 10:48:20 GMT
Hi, everyone:
As I just shipped my Stanley Gibbons Catalogue off to the US, now of course, I need it. It's always the way....
Based on some comments made during a recent online meeting, I have the impression that somewhere near the beginning of the SG Catalogue, it lists an email address for contacting the editor of the catalogue. Would someone with an SG Catalogue please take a look and see if you can find this email address?
If it is indeed there, please post it in a response to this thread.
Many thanks, Chris
Note: After receiving an answer (hopefully), I will merge these posts into my COGH research needs thread. I thought it would be easier to get a response if the thread title made it clear what I was looking for.
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 10, 2022 10:54:30 GMT
I checked my 2022 Concise, but didn't see any email addresses for the editor, and nothing in the 2022 CI-IOM catalogue either.
Perhaps it's in older catalogues when floods of emails wouldn't be a problem!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 10, 2022 10:58:54 GMT
Thanks for checking, Peter ( brightonpete). Hmmm.... I wonder if I misunderstood the comment at the webinar. That's disappointing. An online search and a look at the SG website didn't turn up an address for the editor, either. Well, there is a general enquiries email address on the website, so perhaps I will need to try that. Thanks again for checking.
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Post by angore on Sept 10, 2022 12:02:39 GMT
Is this what you want? From Gibbons Stamp Monthly.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 10, 2022 12:13:41 GMT
That's paydirt, Al ( angore)! Thank you very much!! Exactly what I was looking for.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 26, 2022 19:33:33 GMT
Alex ( vikingeck) wrote: I will follow up with Hugh Jefferies on this. Based on his comments during the webinar, it sounded like he will be more apt to do something if a volunteer would be available to do the research or provide info for him to implement an editorial change. When I asked about the difference between the GB and Cape of Good Hope listings, Hugh mentioned that there are listings for other stamps on blued paper in SG that should also be changed from differentiating between deeply and slightly blued paper to the all-encompassing "paper more or less blued". I imagine, therefore, that if I was willing to go through the SG Catalogue carefully and identify all of the listings that would need to be changed, then it would be more likely to happen. I will contact Hugh again by email and ask him if this is what he would need done in order to make the change happen. michael: Is this anything that you have already researched based on your interest in PB printings?
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