vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 9, 2022 15:04:43 GMT
Wither now for GB /UK stamps with the passing of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth? This year we have had the announcement that all the regular and familiar Machins will lose postal validity on 31st January 2023. Already they have been replaced by what must be the last series of Machin style stamps, the larger size with bar codes.  Stamps with a portrait of His Majesty King Charles III will not be produced immediately, so it is to be expected the current stamps will continue in use for several years even though the Monarch has died. Already next month a new issue commemorating the Royal Marines, with the small Queen's head logo have been prepared for posthumous release. Will we see a Mourning issue of an existing stamp with a Black border as we had for The Queen Mother at her death? Precedent with George V, Edward VIII and George VI stamps, established that Validity continued for a few years into the reign of their successor, so we can expect to see mixed frankings of Elisabeth II and Charles III . |
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Sept 9, 2022 22:26:29 GMT
Precedent with George V, Edward VIII and George VI stamps, established that Validity continued for a few years into the reign of their successor ... For Canadians (and Americans too), this idea of "postal validity" is a bit baffling. The stamps we've had since 1859 (our first decimal issues) remain valid for us, and there is no notion that they get "too old" to be used any longer. I ran into the same problem with British paper money at Heathrow Airport once upon a time. I brought some old paper money from one of my past infrequent trips to the UK and tried to use it at the airport but couldn't do so - without any explanation why, although the 2nd time I tried to use it I was directed to a Thomas Cook office. I found out that after new bills are issued, all the old ones have a limited period of validity before they go old and stale and smelly and grow mushrooms on them, or whatever strange reason there is for money no longer being money ... I have on rare occasions received mail from philatelic contacts which included a Queen Victoria stamp on the cover (also some with Newfoundland stamps) - perhaps 100 years from now, if physical mail still exists as a thing, Canadian stamp collectors will still be receiving the occasional QEII stamp on their mailings! Ryan |
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Post by rainbowhugz on Sept 9, 2022 23:05:07 GMT
Here in Hong Kong, obviously the validity of the QEII stamps stopped after the 1997 handover. A friend was at the post office a few months ago and a lady had used some old QEII stamps on the envelope to use as postage - apparently she got fined for doing so! vikingeck I would be interested to know what happens with all the newly printed UK barcode stamps. I was discussing this yesterday.. So keep us up to date with what gets decided. Ryan same for me RE UK old bank notes. I had to ask my cousin to help me exchange them at a bank. Good thing I had some ‘valid’ currency to use until she could help me do so. But I suppose now, debit and credit cards are most widely used. So who needs paper currency anymore?! |
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Post by philatelia on Sept 10, 2022 11:22:32 GMT
This coin was pictured today on a BBC article discussing stamps, coins, etc. link to BBC article  |
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 10, 2022 11:34:44 GMT
Canada has stated that it will be a couple years at least before King Charles III will be on our coins. The $20 banknote will continue to have the portrait of QEII on it for some time.
I'm sure there are a number of people chomping at the bit, waiting for new coins to be minted and stamps issued. A stamp (or series) honouring the new King will probably be the first to appear.
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Post by davy on Oct 4, 2022 15:40:12 GMT
Hi, Does anyone have any insight into how long it might take Stanley Gibbons to issue the (final) GB Specialist Vol 4 (parts 1 and 2)? The last ones were 2008/2010. Presumably they have the updated information ready to go. Can we expect it in time for Christmas 2022? Or maybe more like 2024!  |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 4, 2022 17:54:35 GMT
davy, I don’t personally know the answer to your question, but if you go to the Gibbons website and email them your question, someone should respond within a day or two. I have generally had very good luck.
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Post by daveg28 on Oct 4, 2022 18:51:05 GMT
I'm wondering when we can expect the end of the Machins, and perhaps find album pages for them, complete? I had a site saved that had a nice set of album pages (in color!), but now I can't find it.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 4, 2022 19:45:14 GMT
Well daveg28 there will be no new standard Machins as they expire in January, and with the recent releases of the larger matrix coded values for International mail , unless Royal Mail increases the rate in the new Year , they will be the last. I expect the next definitive will be a new King Charles design. |
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Post by dgdecker on Oct 5, 2022 4:36:46 GMT
Canada has stated that it will be a couple years at least before King Charles III will be on our coins. The $20 banknote will continue to have the portrait of QEII on it for some time.
I'm sure there are a number of people chomping at the bit, waiting for new coins to be minted and stamps issued. A stamp (or series) honouring the new King will probably be the first to appear. The stamp program is usually decided at least a year in advance. I agree with Peter that it will be awhile before we see a King Charles III issue. He will have to give his approval and I image he will be well occupied in the approval process. Can they have one ready for his Coronation? Time will tell. David |
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Post by Ryan on Oct 5, 2022 6:06:46 GMT
The stamp program is usually decided at least a year in advance. I agree with Peter that it will be awhile before we see a King Charles III issue. He will have to give his approval and I image he will be well occupied in the approval process. Can they have one ready for his Coronation? Time will tell. I would expect there is plenty of time to arrange for a new stamp - they'll wait until the English weather is nice enough for a big production like the coronation and that will mean waiting until the end of May at least! Ryan |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 5, 2022 7:04:26 GMT
Well, George VI was crowned on 12th May 1937, and Elizabeth II on 2nd June 1953, if that gives possible ideas on the timing.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 5, 2022 12:07:46 GMT
There is no real precedent to follow for timing apart from hoping for better weather for a parade.
Dates of coronation
GeoVI. 12 May 1937. 5 months after his accession following Edward’s abdication
Elizabeth 2 June 1953 16 months after accession following death of her Father
Charles ??
1st definitive stamps
GeoVI. 10 May 1937. 5 months into reign
Elizabeth 5 Dec 1952. 10 months into reign
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Post by drblade on Oct 6, 2022 14:55:50 GMT
Will Royal Mail switch the barcode to the left of the stamps so that King Charles III won't have to look at them??  |
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 6, 2022 16:46:08 GMT
It seems the favoured date for his coronation is 3 June 2023
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Post by dgdecker on Oct 7, 2022 3:51:16 GMT
The stamp program is usually decided at least a year in advance. I agree with Peter that it will be awhile before we see a King Charles III issue. He will have to give his approval and I image he will be well occupied in the approval process. Can they have one ready for his Coronation? Time will tell. I would expect there is plenty of time to arrange for a new stamp - they'll wait until the English weather is nice enough for a big production like the coronation and that will mean waiting until the end of May at least! Ryan Ryan, I am certain it will be planned for time with a chance of decent weather. As for release of new stamps…. It will happen eventually. At least we know in Canada all QEII stamps will remain valid . David |
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Post by daniel on Oct 9, 2022 3:38:20 GMT
Canada has stated that it will be a couple years at least before King Charles III will be on our coins. The $20 banknote will continue to have the portrait of QEII on it for some time.
I'm sure there are a number of people chomping at the bit, waiting for new coins to be minted and stamps issued. A stamp (or series) honouring the new King will probably be the first to appear. The stamp program is usually decided at least a year in advance. I agree with Peter that it will be awhile before we see a King Charles III issue. He will have to give his approval and I image he will be well occupied in the approval process. Can they have one ready for his Coronation? Time will tell. David The Royal Mint managed to get a King Charles coin portrait designed and approved in only 3 weeks. British Sculptor Martin Jennings is the designer see here |
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Post by angore on Oct 9, 2022 10:24:07 GMT
I would expect Royal Mail to issue future Machin variations in some stamp on stamp issues given all the prestige booklets issued.
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Post by dgdecker on Oct 10, 2022 15:18:43 GMT
The stamp program is usually decided at least a year in advance. I agree with Peter that it will be awhile before we see a King Charles III issue. He will have to give his approval and I image he will be well occupied in the approval process. Can they have one ready for his Coronation? Time will tell. David The Royal Mint managed to get a King Charles coin portrait designed and approved in only 3 weeks. British Sculptor Martin Jennings is the designer see hereI had read this article. I believe this must be due to fact that plans have been in the works for several years for an orderly transition upon the death Her Majesty. With good planning I am sure the issues will come out faster. Though it is quality of new stamp issues that will be of interest to me. Not the speed at which they are issued. |
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Oct 10, 2022 16:16:27 GMT
The Royal Mint managed to get a King Charles coin portrait designed and approved in only 3 weeks. British Sculptor Martin Jennings is the designer see hereI had read this article. I believe this must be due to fact that plans have been in the works for several years for an orderly transition upon the death Her Majesty. With good planning I am sure the issues will come out faster. Though it is quality of new stamp issues that will be of interest to me. Not the speed at which they are issued. At least 3 more issues of commemorative stamps will or are being issued with Queen Elizabeth II's head design still on them. Royal Marines set, In Memoriam set (out today) & Ardman Classics set due out about 19th October + Christmas 2022, Tutankhamun, Iron Maiden & X-Men. |
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Post by daniel on Oct 11, 2022 9:40:26 GMT
Britain's first decimal coins also featured a portrait of the Queen by Arnold Machin. Using Martin Jennings portrait of King Charles for stamps would help to speed up the process of transition without any loss of quality.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 12, 2022 2:31:54 GMT
It has been announced that the coronation will be 6th May 2023 . At 74 Charles will be the oldest British monarch to be crowned.
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Post by sharonb on Oct 12, 2022 7:16:22 GMT
I'm wondering when we can expect the end of the Machins, and perhaps find album pages for them, complete? I had a site saved that had a nice set of album pages (in color!), but now I can't find it. This may be the site you were thinking of - I hope it is useful to you adminware.ca/machin/ |
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Post by mudgie on Oct 12, 2022 10:02:44 GMT
Will Royal Mail switch the barcode to the left of the stamps so that King Charles III won't have to look at them?? No, the monarch always faces left on British definitive stamps. It's on the coins where it alternates for each reign. And the barcode is on the right to, hopefully, avoid the postmark. |
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drblade
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Post by drblade on Oct 12, 2022 10:09:56 GMT
Will Royal Mail switch the barcode to the left of the stamps so that King Charles III won't have to look at them?? No, the monarch always faces left on British definitive stamps. It's on the coins where it alternates for each reign. And the barcode is on the right to, hopefully, avoid the postmark. My comment was tongue in cheek mudgie, 17th century tradition says that King Charles III will be facing to the right (coins). We will see if that happens. |
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