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Post by stainlessb on Oct 18, 2022 20:47:51 GMT
I did not see anything specific to this. While I have some reference information on the actual perforated stamps, I have little to none on the preprinted postal stationary. My 1887 Maury references the carte and such, but what I have (this far) are all turn of the century dates. Yvert& Tellier does not list a 30 centimes black issue, only a brown-black on lilac (and a later brown issue (and these are all perforated fairly wide stamps) Here is the first of 3 examples 30 centimes black on a post card (2 sides) Date is July 1901 from Paris.  The back si as best I can tell either someone wnating to buy or sell what appears to electrical items (I think I can make out rheostat and then later 100 ohms, but much of this I cannor decip[her (If anyone can read this a translation would be wonderful!)  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2022 21:09:32 GMT
Easy-peesy:  The text reads (words in italics I'm not sure about): Creil vient de téléphoner. Ils sont enthousiasmés des petits rhéostats et demandent si on peut leur faire sur 10 modèles différents et 25 de chaque type en 10 Ohms de suite jusqu’à 100 Ohms. Ils abonderaient les fils pour ces types. Ils demandent tarifs et demandent si on peut avoir ces types du jour au lendemain. Ils doivent téléphoner demain chez Luchaine vers 10 heures. Téléphonez à 11 heures afin que vous dise leur réponse. J’ai convoqué Hurtin mercredi matin 8 heures pour le payer. Mes salutations. Which translates roughly as: Creil just called. They are enthused about the small resistors and ask if we can make them 10 different models, 25 of each, in steps of 10 Ohms up to 100 Ohms. They [would provide] the wires for these types. They ask about rates and whether we can have them from one day to the next. They will call Luchaine tomorrow at 10. Call me at 11 so I can tell you their answer. I summoned Hurtin for Wednesday morning at 8 to pay him. My Salutations. |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 18, 2022 21:45:15 GMT
The term Telegraphe may be somewhat confusing, as it appears (at least for this Carte Pneumatique) they were sent from a telegraphe office (and I'm guessing was faster that the mail service of the day?)... anyway Here is another. July 31 1905, from 5 rue Mandur, Paris (today an apartment building) sent to a Mr. Monin, 15 rue Béranger, maybe a property manager, maybe across town.... Google Maps is not being real helpful....  This is a folded card- Here is the back- the stamp on the back is a bit confusing, but I think is receiving as ( as it is just a few blocks from, 15 rue Béranger  The printed back reads: Notice
The pneumatic card must not contain any hard object, or portable value, or item whose transport by post is prohibited, it must remain flexible enough to be able to be easily removed with a view to insertion into the pneumatic train boxes.
The card that does not meet the regulatory conditions will be treated as an ordinary letter and treated as such.And here is the inside- I can see it was an important communication, but not really sure about what? (again if anyone can read and translate that would be wonderful!)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 18, 2022 21:58:04 GMT
Thank you hrdoktorx ! I was on the right track!!! Here is my last addition for today. An unused envelope 75 centimes Red on Rose   The printed notice translates to: Maximum weight: 7 grams
It can neither be inserted in an envelope nor a hard body nor a value of any kind: An envelope that does not meet the desired conditions will automatically be paid into the postal service.
I will assume the metion of value (here and before) indicates money was not to be enclosed. (?) |
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Post by renden on Oct 18, 2022 22:06:11 GMT
Stan your FRANCE knowledge is getting there - I have no clue (in collection) re: Carte Pneumatique - but I know that Xavier has and he already responded to you stainlessbRené |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 18, 2022 22:14:49 GMT
now I have to devise a page to display these on.... I think this will be a more casual obsession and not another Sage or Semeuse ongoing affair! |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 19, 2022 6:52:36 GMT
You are correct about the printed instructions that they indicate not to put any valuables inside the pneumatic card, since they are likely to get lost during the transfer.
Concerning the text of the second card, it reads, translated from French (this handwriting is much easier to decipher, so no need to transcribe it):
Paris, 31 July 1905
Sir,
Can you imperatively come by today 5 rue Messier for an important communication concerning Mr Rousset who wants to move out tomorrow morning part of his furniture. He finds himself in some bad business, he has paid his rental fee. I can only come by your place tomorrow morning, it would be too late, because he offers to make another rent payment. My wife will be able to explain to you what he said. I salute you, Mr Bougé.
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Post by FDI on Oct 19, 2022 14:23:51 GMT
Beginning in 1866, the pneumatic tube network of Paris was set up by the Telegraph Service for the purpose of express delivery of received telegraph messages, thus they initially only delivered genuine telegrams. The post and telegraph services were combined in 1878 and from the beginning of May 1879, the network was opened up for public use to speed delivery of ordinary mail. Though there was nothing telegraphic about this additional mail, since the Telegraph section was providing the service, the stationery used were marked 'Carte Télégramme' and the stamps inscribed 'TELEGRAPHE'. Refer to this link for great information on Telegraphe stamps. gb-precancels.org/Telegraphs/World/index-Fr.html |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 19, 2022 15:11:12 GMT
thank you (again) hrdoktorx for the translation. i suspected it had something to do with moving and rent, and it appears the building has contunued to this day as apartments! Thanks for the link FDI . I have bookmarked it! |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 19, 2022 21:24:37 GMT
Rather than start a separtae thread I modified the title to include all "telegraphes" timbres. Below are, I believe, the January 14, 1864 issued perforated stamps, Y&T # 6a (50 centimes light green), and # 8a 2 Francs light violet. (although I do not yet have anything to compare, based on the images in Yvert & Tellier this both appear much less vivid.  |
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Post by anglobob on Oct 19, 2022 23:30:25 GMT
stainlessbI found these tucked away on an old album page.50c green is a bit more vivid and there appears to be three shades of the 1fr orange. 
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 20, 2022 5:03:02 GMT
For the sake of comparison, here are the two French Télégraphe stamps that I have in my collection:  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 31, 2022 22:06:27 GMT
a couple of items...curios at the moment- a 6F and 18 F Télégraph(Telephone) stamps (cut squares) from envelopes - I haven't yet found much info on these  Next 1868 Télégraphe Y&T No 2 and No 5. These are reproductions (I knew that when I purchased and they weren't much) I was curious if there would be type of 'hidden" indicator that they were reproductions. The seller (E-Bay_ seems to have lots of reproductions and I have seen a few go for some rather high values, making me think the buyer wasn't aware of the reproduction 'status" The title of the auction gives no clue, only when you scroll down is it stated. Not long ago I'm almost took the bait.   No 2- the color seems off, there is a light green on the perforated (No 6). No 5, the color also seems off, According to Y&T perforation is 11-1/2 x 12-1/2, and this stamp is ~12 x 12.2..;. a clue??? not really, my ywp previously shown perforated examples are either 12-/1/2 x 12-1/4 of 12-3/4 x 13..... so now to wonder , could they also be bogus, or perforations in 1868 still 'a work in progress" The bigger concern is someone finds the reproductions (years from now) and assumes ithey are authentic and sells them to an unknowing buyer caveat emptor indeed! |
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Post by daniel on Nov 2, 2022 5:09:10 GMT
stainlessb here's another Telegraphe/Telephone item. FDI gave you a link to French Telegraph stamps and if you scroll down that page you'll come to these items. How exactly these were used is unclear. My example has the mentioned glue spot on the reverse. Clearly, it paid for a 5 minute phone conversation. Also, note the faux perforation line to the left of the imprinted stamp, similar to the one used on the new GB Machins!  Your 6F and 19F cut outs must have come from the pneumatic post since these values are pneumatic post rates from 1945 and 1947 see here (scroll down). Daniel
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 2, 2022 14:22:07 GMT
Thank you daniel for the additional link- that does clear up the 6F and 19F. I also see on the link provided by FDI that it mentions the variations in perforations. Looking at the images on that site- the reproductions are rather good and I can see these being passed of by some as authentic (whether knowingly or not!). |
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Post by anglobob on Nov 2, 2022 18:23:52 GMT
The earlier post from daniel got me looking through an old stockbook and I discovered these items.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 2, 2022 18:25:32 GMT
those are excellent!
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Post by daniel on Nov 6, 2022 17:17:32 GMT
Here is a CARTE-TELEGRAMME from 1892  |
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Post by FDI on Mar 28, 2023 18:10:32 GMT
I no longer have access to this link. Would anyone have an idea why? It was really useful! François |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 28, 2023 19:28:53 GMT
it no longer opens for me either....
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Post by renden on Mar 28, 2023 20:36:31 GMT
it no longer opens for me either.... Agree....problemo X  René |
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Post by michael on Mar 28, 2023 20:51:41 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 28, 2023 21:23:17 GMT
The new link is UK not France (unless I missed the tab)
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Post by daniel on Mar 28, 2023 22:16:16 GMT
The new link is UK not France (unless I missed the tab) Click on site map near the top then French et Voilà |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 28, 2023 23:13:07 GMT
I have seen the light!!!
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Post by FDI on Mar 30, 2023 16:50:58 GMT
Thank you so much michael, this site is a wealth of information. I thought we had lost it! Cheers! François |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Nov 24, 2023 22:37:34 GMT
Two beauties I found at the stamp show last week-end, France Telephone stamps Cérès # TP9 and TP26:  |
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Post by rod222 on Nov 25, 2023 2:12:13 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Nov 25, 2023 2:16:10 GMT
Telephone Byrum
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Post by rod222 on Nov 25, 2023 6:21:17 GMT
Existing Literature (Maybe online ?)
Pneumatic Mail suspended 1984
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