geoff
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Post by geoff on Oct 25, 2022 4:05:20 GMT
Does any stamp catalogue other than the Campbell Patterson (CP) Catalogue of New Zealand Stamps refer to stamp paper 'mesh' in its classifications etc.?
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AirmailEd
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Post by AirmailEd on Oct 25, 2022 5:33:29 GMT
I've never seen that term in Scott or Sanabria.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Oct 25, 2022 13:32:47 GMT
Vertical mesh is a fairly common term regarding wove stamp paper. I don’t know about it’s use in catalogs. An eBay search of that term will pull up a few examples.
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eggdog
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Post by eggdog on Oct 25, 2022 16:34:34 GMT
The Hellas catalog published by A. Karamitsos refers to mesh paper in their Large Hermes Heads listings. I wish I could explain it better, but that's one of the very few terms in there that I couldn't totally grasp. From stamps I've tentatively identified as possibly mesh, they may be characterized by paper that feels a bit irregular, as if it has random areas of greater or less thickness. But somebody who knows more than me can perhaps step in here.
And hi!
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 25, 2022 18:31:31 GMT
Does any stamp catalogue other than the Campbell Patterson (CP) Catalogue of New Zealand Stamps refer to stamp paper 'mesh' in its classifications etc.? Bob Odenweller, the serious expert in early Samoa, uses “mesh” to distinguish the printings of the palm trees issues of the 1890s some stamps have a “horizontal mesh” others have a “vertical mesh” …….one trick is the way they curl face down held in a warm hand . but then the Samoa stamps were produced in NZ on paper with NZ star watermark ! |
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Post by uppercanadian on Oct 25, 2022 20:39:36 GMT
With Canadian stamps, we typically refer to vertically wove or horizontally wove papers. The mesh term is used to refer to the actual clarity or visibility of the weave (normally) on the back of the stamps. So one could say it is a Vertically Wove Paper with a very visible 'mesh'. It can be a bit tricky to see on some stamps. The mesh usually looks like oval darker dots on the back of the stamp.
Vikingeck makes a good point about watching the stamps curling in a warm hand. With winter being 8 months long in Canada (bit of an exaggeration), I often hold the stamp with tongs and exhale warm moist breath from my mouth over the stamp being careful not to actually spit, as that would not be good, particularly for mint stamps. It is not blowing, but huffing whereby breath from deep within your body is exhaled - I think singers call this using one's diaphragm.
A couple of puffs usually works, in order to determine which way the stamp curls.
When a stamp is printed on vertical wove paper, the paper will be stiffer in the vertical direction than in the horizontal direction. A vertical wove stamp would curl gently from side to side whereas a horizontally wove paper would curl from top to bottom.
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geoff
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Post by geoff on Oct 27, 2022 21:21:42 GMT
Thanks uppercanadian. To me, 'So one could say it is a Vertically Wove Paper with a very visible 'mesh'. It can be a bit tricky to see on some stamps. The mesh usually looks like oval darker dots on the back of the stamp." is a helpful way of describing the situation. Unfortunately, here in N.Z. at least there is a lot of confusion and misunderstanding, written and implied, over the two terms 'mesh' and 'grain'. They are not the same thing. 'Mesh/wove' can be seen directly (on the back of a stamp). But it has nothing to do with the stiffness and curl of a stamp when subject to warmth of breath (in the so called 'huff' test). That concern the paper's grain, which cannot be seen directly and thus has to be implied.
Do others understand it that way?
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