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Post by gstamps on Oct 30, 2022 21:22:50 GMT
Bergedorf – A town in northern Germany From August 23, 1420 to 1867 joint property of the Free and Hanseatic Cities of Hamburg and Lubeck, from January 1, 1868 sole property of Hamburg. Own stamp issue 1861-1868. On the stamps is the combination of the coats of arms of Hamburg and Lubeck and in the 4 corners the letters L, H, P and A (Lubeck Hamburgisches Post Amt). The stamps Michel #1a, 2 / Scott 1, 2 are genuine in my opinion.   |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 30, 2022 21:59:14 GMT
I have a “set” of the first 5 , but as they were reprinted I have assumed mine were not genuine originals. I will check mine against your genuine ones , but fear the worst.
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Post by gstamps on Oct 31, 2022 8:07:52 GMT
Hi vikingeck In Scott, the information is unclear, and in Michel, I did not manage to translate clearly. It would be of great help if a German speaker would make a translation.
 Roughly, I understood that after 1867, Moens bought the original plates and privately reprinted these stamps between 1872 and 1888. Normally these should be considered forgeries (I'm not sure but I think the original paper and colors were used? - the translation from Michel would be very useful) The reprints from 1872 are rare (I can't understand if Michel evaluates them?) and the later ones are very cheap. I look forward to you posting pictures of your stamps. |
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 31, 2022 17:20:38 GMT
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Post by classicalstamps on Oct 31, 2022 19:25:57 GMT
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Post by gstamps on Oct 31, 2022 20:36:19 GMT
Hi vikingeck Thanks for posting your stamps. I have the opportunity to train my eye in identifying these stamps. I have no experience with these stamps, but the information found on the "stampsx" website was very helpful. My opinion is that your stamp of 1/2 Sch. is 1872 reprint:  - black point in N - the absence of the horizontal bars in the letters A and H A little while ago I finished identifying my 3 Schilling stamp.  Your stamp of 3 Sch. I think it is 1887 reprint:  - the letter M is not broken - missing lines in the eagle's head - the wavy lines show breaks. My 3 Sch stamp is 1888 reprint (missing many wavy lines) I hope that my hypotheses will be confirmed/denied (that's the only way I learn something correctly) by members with experience in these stamps. Thank you classicalstamps, for the expertise and for the valuable new website. I saw your answer after I had prepared the answer for "vikingeck" |
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doug534
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Post by doug534 on Aug 31, 2024 20:38:28 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Sept 1, 2024 0:54:41 GMT
NEUDRUCK NACHDRUCK From my query 2019   |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 1, 2024 1:06:50 GMT
My previous error NACHDRUCK = FAKE (Not Reprint)   |
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Post by gstamps on Sept 2, 2024 6:03:09 GMT
doug534 , I previously posted Michel's explanation for "Neudrucke" and "Nachdrucke" - unfortunately no one managed to translate it from German. Translation of the definition "NACHDRUCKE" from the Michel catalog: "are prints produced on a state order, for the production of which a more or less modified or renewed original printing block was used, after the franking validity of equivalent postage stamps had ended. Reprints that were not produced on a state order are treated as counterfeits." "NEUDRUCKE": Term for old “new prints” of a postal stamp that were produced by a state postal administration using unchanged (original) printing blocks or printing plates after the franking validity of such stamps had ended. New prints ND.... Since they are often difficult to distinguish from the originals, the slightly misleading information about the distinguishing features is usually avoided. Reprints are often collected for study purposes and are indispensable to specialists. If these are reprints that were not produced by (or on behalf of) the relevant state postal administration, the term must be “private reprint”. Private reprints without appropriate labeling are treated as counterfeits. The term “reprint/new print” is not to be used for forgeries, fantasy prints, reprints or the like".
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