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Post by classicalstamps on Oct 11, 2014 15:02:16 GMT
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Post by jamesw on Oct 11, 2014 16:11:16 GMT
...perhaps someday.
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Post by ChickasawStampMan on Oct 12, 2014 4:30:57 GMT
Yooopppiieee!!!! A friend of mine just got me a penny black!!! I will be getting it on nov 1st. Can't wait!!!
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 18, 2016 13:15:24 GMT
I just received my second 1d Black (F-B) in yesterday's mail. Some day I may try my hand at plating... Members on another board have said that the stamp's upper left corner has been added and a tear at bottom has been repaired. Some day I may be able to discern those things by myself!
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Post by Anping on Jan 25, 2018 15:48:44 GMT
Here is my newly acquired Penny Black; my second. I was sure that I'd posted my first but can't find it. So obviously I may have posted it in the wrong thread. Anyway, here's the beast:
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Post by dgdecker on Jan 25, 2018 20:00:50 GMT
One day I will have one. With a limited budget it’s not high on my priority « want » list. David
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 26, 2018 6:13:02 GMT
As a specialist in classic stamps for many years, it seems hard to believe that I only got my first Penny Black last year, but that is exactly what happened. This copy was given to me by Jack ( Admin ) as a bonus gift as part of the firstfrog2013 TSF Donation Auction Lot in 2017. I apologize for the relatively poor quality of the image--I scanned this in my early days on TSF, before I learned better technique. I am away from home for the next several days, but I will rescan the stamp after I return and post a better image at that time.
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Post by Anping on Jan 27, 2018 19:02:41 GMT
I thought I might add my first Penny Black ( F G) here as well as my second. Although this one has a very tight margin at the base, it is still a four margin example. The colour is quite intense and the red maltese cross clean and crisp:
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angore
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Post by angore on Jan 28, 2018 0:39:58 GMT
I just have Penny Blue and Penny Reds.
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daveg28
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Post by daveg28 on Jan 29, 2018 13:16:03 GMT
Nope, I don't have a Penny black, either. I started a Great Britain album about a year ago. I immediately assumed that the first page in that album would go as unfilled as the first page of my U.S. album.
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Jan 29, 2018 15:35:42 GMT
I just have Penny Blue and Penny Reds. Very nice cancellations!
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Post by angore on Jan 29, 2018 22:54:18 GMT
I do not really collect them but they were in a collection I purchased. No idea on what I will do with them.
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 29, 2018 0:50:14 GMT
My Lovely fiancée came from Canada for a visit after being apart for 6 long month !! She brought me this wonderful gift after hearing me nag for the past few month about wanting to own a Penny Black !! I think that was her way to shut me up . After a 1,000 thank you i realized that she does not know a single thing about stamps,my main worry was if she over paid for it(although i know she is good at bargaining)!! Offcourse she refused to tell me the price, so i will be interrogating her softly in the next few days .She also got an imperf red penny plate 151 which i will post later . 3 margins / Watermark 18 small crown No information was attached to the stamp so i spent yesterday night trying to plate this PB and i think finally i got it right, i hope some of our members can jump in to confirm plate number 8 . Also can someone explain for me briefly why there seems to be several Maltese cross cancellations ?
First i used Nissen reconstructions, i could not post the complete plates image of the NJ series since it is in HD 5 megabytes Link.NissenP8NJ , then i moved to finding Flaws using this very useful website link . "O" Flaw:The "O" Flaw Stages I - III " This appears as a small white mark extending from the bottom line upwards between the letters "O" and "N" of "ONE." the flaw is present on many stamps of Plates 7, 8, 9, and 10 in various stages. It does not appear on any other Penny Black Plates but does occur on some of the red printings from the Penny Black Plates.This flaw is most likely due to a small piece of foreign material adhering to the roller die during the time the impressions were made for these specific plates. " quoted from linkOnce i found the "O" Flaw as shown above, my mission became easier and i was able to limit my search to four possible plates 7,8,9 and 10 . " Stage II: The white area has extended to the point where it reaches out towards the foot of the "N" of One.
Plate 8: The "O" Flaw Stage II should appear on all impressions of AA through OJ of this plate in the first state before repair.Stage III:The white extension passes under the foot of the "N" of "ONE." This is the largest size of the flaw which appears only on Plate 10." Extended Lines:
"The frame lines may be extended north, south, east or west at the top, bottom, and sides. The extensions are due to the re-cutting of the frame lines. they are usually rather thin in appearance, like guide lines. There-cutting may have been done on the impression before it was placed in service and is therefore a fresh entry. They may also be the result of the imperfect removal of guide lines or from non-coincidental re-entry. These extended lines are very useful for plate identification because they add in combination with other factors such as check letter position, ray and other types of flaws (or their absence) to the inclusion or elimination of possible plates. They are usually very visible and easy to identify." quoted from linkI was able to spot the extended line on both my PB and Nissen PB p8 as shown below. Also the letter N is not centered,leaning slightly upwards in both . Ray Flaw : " These flaws appeared on the plates during the process when the Transfer Roller applied the impressions on the plates. The Die impression on the roller was apparently weak, and as the roller applied the impression onto the plate the design eroded and the flaw was repeated on many or all of the plates positions. In some cases, as in the case of the "White Ray Flaw," the design deteriorated further as it was applied to the plates, growing larger and producing stages I and II. This is not an entirely fool proof means for determining the Plate the stamps originate from as sometimes the flaw may appear to be present due to under inking or other causes. This can be remedied by the fact that there are other characteristics often appearing on the stamps to help confirm the identification of the stamp. However, these flaws are very helpful and often succeed in helping the Plater arrive at the appropriate conclusion. These flaws, taken in conjunction with other characteristics such as guide lines or double letters, etc. allow one to be certain of proper identification." I was not able to spot the Ray flaw shown above on stage II , but i found another flaw inside the North-east Star : the dot inside the star seems to be empty and not a full black dot as it should be . I tried doing some research but failed to find any results about this flaw (if considered a flaw) ?! appreciate any insight on this also ?? North-west Star North-east Star Editing was done using Iphone (IOS.11) built in Edit markups option (magnifier/arrows...) it is very easy and convenient to use .
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 29, 2018 15:02:24 GMT
Here is the Nissen NJ reconstruction that Jad ( Bombadil ) refers to above.
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 29, 2018 23:42:00 GMT
i hope some of our members can jump in to confirm plate number 8 . Also can someone explain for me briefly why there seems to be several Maltese cross cancellations ?
I was not able to spot the Ray flaw shown above on stage II , but i found another flaw inside the North-east Star : the dot inside the star seems to be empty and not a full black dot as it should be . I tried doing some research but failed to find any results about this flaw (if considered a flaw) ?! appreciate any insight on this also ?? I hate to quote myself , but in the end i am a sucker for knowledge and always eager to learn something new !! Any comments anyone ??
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 29, 2018 23:51:46 GMT
I wish I could offer some assistance but I haven't yet tried to plate my own Penny Blacks. With luck, someone knowledgeable will come along in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 0:35:36 GMT
The shape, position, angle of the NJ and the frame shape appear to match the Nissen 8 (bottom) Small variations in the letters also match To confirm, you might send an email to a specialized Yahoo group that does PB plating. However they may need a scan for a flat image. Attach your image and see what they say, hopefully they are still active. They might answer your other questions also. plating@yahoogroups.com
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 30, 2018 1:48:07 GMT
Thank you NL !! i will work on that email right away, if i am lucky i will post their reply .
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 30, 2018 7:09:33 GMT
i hope some of our members can jump in to confirm plate number 8 . Also can someone explain for me briefly why there seems to be several Maltese cross cancellations ?
I was not able to spot the Ray flaw shown above on stage II , but i found another flaw inside the North-east Star : the dot inside the star seems to be empty and not a full black dot as it should be . I tried doing some research but failed to find any results about this flaw (if considered a flaw) ?! appreciate any insight on this also ?? I hate to quote myself , but in the end i am a sucker for knowledge and always eager to learn something new !! Any comments anyone ?? First of all, Jad, congratulations on getting your first Penny Black and on being reunited with your fiancée after a 6-month separation. It sounds like a great combination of events! I am sorry to be “late to the party” on this series of posts, but things have been hectic at my end. I am not especially knowledgeable about Penny Blacks, as I only acquired my first one in the past year. As for the multiple postmarks, I can only make a general observation and will certainly defer to other members more knowledgeable about GB stamps (perhaps Londonbus1 or Anping ?): In my experience, high denomination GB stamps such as one shilling or more, often have multiple cancellations, and may have been used in combination with other stamps to pay higher than a typical letter rate. So, perhaps the reason why your PB has multiple cancellations is that it was used in combination with other stamps rather than on its own. Sorry for such a less-than-insightful explanation, but it is the only thought that comes to my mind. Most importantly, congratulations on being reunited with your fiancée and for receiving such a fine gift!
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 30, 2018 11:16:39 GMT
First of all, Jad, congratulations on getting your first Penny Black and on being reunited with your fiancée after a 6-month separation. It sounds like a great combination of events! I am sorry to be “late to the party” on this series of posts, but things have been hectic at my end. Most importantly, congratulations on being reunited with your fiancée and for receiving such a fine gift! Thank you Chris Beryllium Guy for taking the time to reply, i can only imagine how things are hectic on your side and I hope you're settling in well .
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Post by Anping on Mar 30, 2018 16:47:33 GMT
Firstly, I think Beryllium Guy is quite correct about multiple post marks. These would have been removed from envelopes as singles or part multiples. Those very early days saw a lot of amateur abuse of stamps, particularly when you consider the method used to trade (furtively down back streets in London Town, under the watchful eyes of the police force); which was frowned upon. The variations in the ornaments (NW & NE) are of course quite an advanced subject, which can really only be studied if you have enough examples to study in detail. I for one know very little about the subject, other than to say, that use of Maltese Crosses (Cross Pattee) was not restricted to red and black of one shape. Other colours and shapes were used as well; some of which are quite rare.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 1:29:18 GMT
Firstly, I think Beryllium Guy is quite correct about multiple post marks. I for one know very little about the subject, other than to say, that use of Maltese Crosses (Cross Pattee) was not restricted to red and black of one shape. Other colours and shapes were used as well; some of which are quite rare. Based on some articles I have read in the past, Anping is correct on colors and shapes. There are some 100 different shapes of Maltese crosses depending on districts they come from. As for colors how about blue, green, red, orange, violet, brown and even white (which was probably due to poor preservation conditions or alterations). Aside from these, a whole range of variations as many districts mixed inks to create their own desired color. The double strikes were particular to several districts. There were double strikes applied at the receiving office or if the cover was re-directed. I read that the second strike may have been applied to show the letter was valid in case the stamp came off due to poor adhesives of the period. I do not know if these were applied on top of each other however, the ones I have seen on auctions were separated. PB's obviously make for a wide range of collecting possibilities.
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Post by Anping on Mar 31, 2018 2:50:42 GMT
This is an alleged white Maltese Cross on a Penny black on sale on eBay at the moment. I for one would not be tempted to buy this as I know too little about the subject as it is perhaps an example of chemical alteration.
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Post by tallanent on Apr 10, 2018 12:32:12 GMT
My Lovely fiancée came from Canada for a visit after being apart for 6 long month !! She brought me this wonderful gift after hearing me nag for the past few month about wanting to own a Penny Black !! I think that was her way to shut me up . After a 1,000 thank you i realized that she does not know a single thing about stamps,my main worry was if she over paid for it(although i know she is good at bargaining)!! Offcourse she refused to tell me the price, so i will be interrogating her softly in the next few days .She also got an imperf red penny plate 151 which i will post later . 3 margins / Watermark 18 small crown No information was attached to the stamp so i spent yesterday night trying to plate this PB and i think finally i got it right, i hope some of our members can jump in to confirm plate number 8 . Also can someone explain for me briefly why there seems to be several Maltese cross cancellations ?
First i used Nissen reconstructions, i could not post the complete plates image of the NJ series since it is in HD 5 megabytes Link.NissenP8NJ , then i moved to finding Flaws using this very useful website link . "O" Flaw:The "O" Flaw Stages I - III " This appears as a small white mark extending from the bottom line upwards between the letters "O" and "N" of "ONE." the flaw is present on many stamps of Plates 7, 8, 9, and 10 in various stages. It does not appear on any other Penny Black Plates but does occur on some of the red printings from the Penny Black Plates.This flaw is most likely due to a small piece of foreign material adhering to the roller die during the time the impressions were made for these specific plates. " quoted from linkOnce i found the "O" Flaw as shown above, my mission became easier and i was able to limit my search to four possible plates 7,8,9 and 10 . " Stage II: The white area has extended to the point where it reaches out towards the foot of the "N" of One.
Plate 8: The "O" Flaw Stage II should appear on all impressions of AA through OJ of this plate in the first state before repair.Stage III:The white extension passes under the foot of the "N" of "ONE." This is the largest size of the flaw which appears only on Plate 10." Extended Lines:
"The frame lines may be extended north, south, east or west at the top, bottom, and sides. The extensions are due to the re-cutting of the frame lines. they are usually rather thin in appearance, like guide lines. There-cutting may have been done on the impression before it was placed in service and is therefore a fresh entry. They may also be the result of the imperfect removal of guide lines or from non-coincidental re-entry. These extended lines are very useful for plate identification because they add in combination with other factors such as check letter position, ray and other types of flaws (or their absence) to the inclusion or elimination of possible plates. They are usually very visible and easy to identify." quoted from linkI was able to spot the extended line on both my PB and Nissen PB p8 as shown below. Also the letter N is not centered,leaning slightly upwards in both . Ray Flaw : " These flaws appeared on the plates during the process when the Transfer Roller applied the impressions on the plates. The Die impression on the roller was apparently weak, and as the roller applied the impression onto the plate the design eroded and the flaw was repeated on many or all of the plates positions. In some cases, as in the case of the "White Ray Flaw," the design deteriorated further as it was applied to the plates, growing larger and producing stages I and II. This is not an entirely fool proof means for determining the Plate the stamps originate from as sometimes the flaw may appear to be present due to under inking or other causes. This can be remedied by the fact that there are other characteristics often appearing on the stamps to help confirm the identification of the stamp. However, these flaws are very helpful and often succeed in helping the Plater arrive at the appropriate conclusion. These flaws, taken in conjunction with other characteristics such as guide lines or double letters, etc. allow one to be certain of proper identification." I was not able to spot the Ray flaw shown above on stage II , but i found another flaw inside the North-east Star : the dot inside the star seems to be empty and not a full black dot as it should be . I tried doing some research but failed to find any results about this flaw (if considered a flaw) ?! appreciate any insight on this also ?? North-west Star North-east Star Editing was done using Iphone (IOS.11) built in Edit markups option (magnifier/arrows...) it is very easy and convenient to use . Totally agree with this being plate 8 O flaw as shown and guide line at bottom left The hollow central dot in the NE corner is probably just and inking variation ... The multiple strikes of the MX postmark looks to me to be just a lot of ink on the cancellation device giving that impression Hope this helps ... Allan
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Post by Bombadil on Apr 10, 2018 12:40:13 GMT
Thank you very much Allan tallanent !! i can finally label it
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 10, 2018 14:31:10 GMT
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Post by tallanent on Apr 10, 2018 16:20:56 GMT
Following on from the display of Penny Blacks on this site and noted that some were saying they could not own one .... A reprint of a first day cover from the 6th May 1840 with a genuine penny black stamp affixed. The stamp is from plate 6 which was not available for use on the first day Priced as a stamp only - nice little item with the genuine being out of most collectors price range This and other items can be viewed on my site ....
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Post by janetc on Dec 11, 2018 20:51:34 GMT
After selling my original one 22 years ago I was able to purchase another one this past summer. If anyone can help me identify the plate it would be very much appreciated.
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Post by renden on Dec 11, 2018 21:15:41 GMT
After selling my original one 22 years ago I was able to purchase another one this past summer. If anyone can help me identify the plate it would be very much appreciated. My late dad gave me one at age 13 - I was proud !! René
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Post by tallanent on Dec 11, 2018 22:15:52 GMT
After selling my original one 22 years ago I was able to purchase another one this past summer. If anyone can help me identify the plate it would be very much appreciated. I would need a better / clearer scan of the stamp to select a plate ... but of the top of my head has the look of one of the earlier plates - plates 2, 3, 4 or 5
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