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Post by philatelia on Oct 23, 2023 9:14:09 GMT
Good Morning Stamp Sleuths! Today the challenge will be to see how many TSF members can correctly identify the mystery stamp. I’ll post a list of all the correct replies, but the “winner” will be the whole team. I’ll do this once in a while to see if we can beat the previous number (seven members correctly identified the Ethiopian stamp). The challenge stamp will be a Scott listed, regular postage stamp - not a back of the book or unlisted. I won’t post the total answers until 24 hours from now, so if I haven’t posted again, the game is still afoot! So here we go, Sherlocks! Don’t forget - send your answer in a private message so as not to give away the answer. Oh my - poor old stamp - what is it? Who is that lady and why does she have that big stick in her hand?
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Post by philatelia on Oct 24, 2023 9:48:27 GMT
Congrats Team! We had answers!
The first reply was from rednaxela who correctly identified as;
State of Victoria (Australia), 1852, Queen Victoria 2d, Scott 14 (not sure about the color...).
‘Nice work, Red!
And the replies poured in;
rod222 JeffS hdm1950 djcmh salentin vikingeck
So we have a tie - 7 answers equaling the 7 for the Ethiopian. Good work Team Forum! Now —- prepare yourself for a more elusive stamp…
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Post by philatelia on Oct 24, 2023 9:55:56 GMT
Are you ready, Stamp sleuths, for today’s challenge? What is the heck is this one? I haven’t a clue …
Send your answer in a private message and once we have three correct responses, the Deer Hunter hat will be awarded to the clever stamp detective who sleuthed it out first. Good luck!
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Post by rod222 on Oct 24, 2023 10:26:33 GMT
OK, lets get our teeth into this one (It's a ripper)First off, It is Queen Victoria, the "Stick" she is holding, is "Saint Edward's Staff" (or, Long Sceptre) ceremonial item since "Edward the confessor" Year 1003-1066
The long SceptreNow, both Scott and Stanley Gibbons, quote this stamp as "Queen on Throne" (Incorrect) It is the Queen on the Coronation Chair This chair is 700 years old.
The Postmark is a "Pie crust" hand canceller with "V" in centre.
The Stamp shown is Stamp Number 33 in a sheet of 50 stamps. The steel plate to print the stamp, was by a gentleman named THOMAS HAM
Below is the printing Plate format, and Thomas Ham himself The steel plate rusted, so postage stamps can be "plated" by both the Alphabetical lower corners and the Plate wear /damage Ham printed 10,000 sheets (500,000 stamps) and was paid £170 Found in TWO BASIC shades Reddish Brown and Purple Brown
Source : The Australian Philatelist March 1988 Author: Geoff Kellow
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Post by rod222 on Oct 24, 2023 23:44:03 GMT
Rocket Label has stumped me. Polite query: If no value tablet, is shown on a suggested stamp, is it a label or a postage stamp? From the previous contest I failed to attach a copy of the Coronation chair
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Post by philatelia on Oct 24, 2023 23:50:43 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 25, 2023 9:53:08 GMT
What’s the issue with “throne?” I argue that the use is not “WRONG” as in the text quoted by rod222. The chair which dates back to the 11th century and which now occasionally houses the Stone of Scone , the traditional coronation seat for the kings of Scotland , is only used at the coronation and since the King, or Queen Regnant, is the only person who sits in it , it is indeed a Throne and not just a chair.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2023 10:56:00 GMT
I love words so your comment, Alex, vikingeck , made me curious. I can’t believe as an American that I should give a hoot about royalty, but I studied linguistics so had to research this. My first thought agreed with you, Alex. It’s a chair, the big wahoony sits in it so that makes it a throne. But according to Wikipedia there is a subtle difference - they sit in the chair to be anointed as ruler, but they don’t receive their first royal kowtowing until they move to a different chair and that chair is called a throne. I always wondered why they changed seats when I watched Charles’ coronation. I don’t know what difference it makes, and I still kinda think it’s a bit much to have a chair only for one specific ceremony but that’s tradition for ya. Boy oh boy now this is a splitting hairs discussion, yes?
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2023 11:08:20 GMT
We have answers! Lots of answers! Way to go Sherlock’s! The first answer was from early bird djcmh. Well done! colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/1380427-Launching_of_the_Rocket_Plane_in_Mol_-_Overprinted-Rocket_mail-Belgium Belgium Rocket Mail stamp, listed in the catalogue Official Belge as #11 in the String phi low section And the answers poured in; vikingeck posted almost at the same time noting; 1935 was a great year for experimental Rocket mail flights . This bilingual ( Flemish and French )label was for an experimental flight from MOL in Belgium , Such experiments had started with 1st flight in May . I have an image of the similar May flight on cover but can't add it here And more joined in the fun; JeffShdm1950daniel - first time Sherlock! jaysee - wig Jill rednaxelaAnd we have another tie of 7 answers. So as this was Rocket mail here’s today’s kinda sorta appropriate cap; CONGRATS ALL AND THANKS FOR PLAYING!
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2023 11:11:11 GMT
TODAY’S CHALLENGE!Today we are back to a regular postage stamp so our ace team of Sherlocks should be able to break the previous record of 7 results; So send your answers in a message and let’s see if we can get more than seven answers. Good luck! Be right back with a pic … Oh I am so very naughty - but if you want to cheat a tiny bit, I am selling this stamp on EBay this morning. Heh heh blatant capitalist wench, eh?
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 25, 2023 11:19:18 GMT
Just a Chair after all ? Well I didn't realise the difference. So it's not a throne until the Royal Anointed bum moves to a new seat ! I guess the old wooden one gets pretty uncomfortable after an Hour or so of ceremony and a cushioned throne is considered more suitable for Royal posteriors. Gee I'm not often wrong ........................... this is maybe the first time . (or the first time I'll admit to it )
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2023 11:25:16 GMT
vikingeck I wouldn’t say wrong - if my study of linguistics taught me anything, it is that language is a living breathing animal and its purpose is to communicate. Both of us perceived the chair as a throne, so by descriptive rules, it would be noted in a descriptive dictionary like OED as a throne. Prescriptive linguistics says it is a chair. But I’m a firm believer in descriptive linguistics. If most people think of a certain connotation for a certain word, then that IS it’s definition.
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Post by daniel on Oct 25, 2023 11:59:11 GMT
The Rocket Mail stamp wasn't actually used for its stated purpose. The stamp was produced by Dutch rocket pioneer Karl Roberti and it states the location of Mol and rocket P30. There doesn't appear to be an actual P30 rocket that was used. From the Pioneer Rocket Mail catalogue by Walter Hopferwieser, here is the actual cover with the stamp, that is rocket P26 and Albert Plage to Duinbergen. So, its use on this cover is somewhat strange. I have a cover for this flight without the stamp which is slightly more rare that the cover with it. I'll show my Roberti covers in the Rocket Mail thread. Daniel
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 25, 2023 12:25:48 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2023 12:28:49 GMT
daniel your post is excellent and is a perfect example what I think is THE best part of each daily challenge - learning more about elusive, unusual and rarely seen philatelic material. I’ve discovered so much already and appreciate all the additional information our team of Sherlocks has posted. I hope other forum members are enjoying it, too, and hope we can keep this going.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 25, 2023 12:32:31 GMT
Just a Chair after all ? Well I didn't realise the difference. So it's not a throne until the Royal Anointed bum moves to a new seat ! I guess the old wooden one gets pretty uncomfortable after an Hour or so of ceremony and a cushioned throne is considered more suitable for Royal posteriors. Gee I'm not often wrong ........................... this is maybe the first time . (or the first time I'll admit to it ) Hi, I didn't answer in the first instance, as I do not argue, I respect all opinions, and just retain my own. I had changed "wrong" to "incorrect" prior to your reply , as it DID read confrontational, I apologise for that.
I first came across the reference in 1981 In The Australian Stamp Catalogue, I challenged that myself and went looking for answers.
I came to the conclusion that "Throne" was actually a grey area, and can mean many things, but the Coronation chair, whilst perhaps the original, in 1066 was a "throne" the copy made later, just served one purpose, that of the Coronation of King or Queen.
The "Throne" then was made, (similar to the Coronation chair) and became the "Sovereign's Throne" and again another, the Consorts Throne. (Noted by a Crown carved at the Pommel of the throne back)
I guess it still can be considered a throne, by some, and I have no issue with that, at least it is always fascinating to research semantics and history.
Australian Stamp Catalogue circa 1981
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Post by rod222 on Oct 25, 2023 13:29:09 GMT
danielDaniel, would you be as kind to check your catalogue for these please ? They have lain unidentified in my collection for 20 years. They may be just a junk phantasy issue, but I am still curious. Thanks in advance. P.A.R.R.O.T Club
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Post by philatelia on Oct 26, 2023 8:51:07 GMT
Good Morning Everyone! We have answers for that Mystery stamp! The early bird answer was from super sleuth vikingeck who said; Manchukuo Manchuria - SG 131 from 1942 10th anniversary of Japanese puppet state in North ChinaAt almost the same time rednaxela said Manchucuo, 1942, 10th anniversary of founding of Manchucuo (sattellite state of Japan on occupied Chinese territory), Scott #114They were so close I’d say it was a tie Jill, jaysee , clever lady that she is, added; Manchukuo 1942 Tenth anniversary of Founding of State SG 141And our favorite physicist, Herr Doktor X, hrdoktorx took a break from his work tinkering with the laws of the universe to post; Manchukuo Sc #144 from 1942. Recognizable at the five-pointed star on top which was the country's symbol, and the design is a map of teh country. I would love to have a copy in my collection!Thank you everyone for playing! Here is your awesome hat of the day; And - as a special treat - today’s challenge will be posted and hosted by Sherlock’s Scottish cousin (by marriage), our own vikingeck . Thanks, Alex!
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 26, 2023 9:34:26 GMT
Forgive the black out , this turned up recently Modified to disguise the name so PM me vikingeck , not Terri this time
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 26, 2023 21:29:10 GMT
Maybe too easy as the answers came in thick and fast rednaxela hdm1950 , rod222 and Londonbus1 all. Identified JASON ISLAND a private bird Sanctuary in the west Falkland Islands. As this was the only stamp the owner Len Hill issued , if you own one you have a complete collection from Jason Island Alexander rednaxela gets to wear the wooly Scottish bobble hat , being first to catch the penguin.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 27, 2023 8:40:34 GMT
Thanks, vikingeck , for hosting the challenge. You stumped me - never heard of Jason Island. FYI - this is everyone’s forum, so if you have a good stumper you’re welcome to host or send a pic and I’ll collate responses for you. The more the merrier!TODAY’S CHALLENGE - a regular Scott listed postage stamp. Let’s see if we can break the seven barrier and get 8 answers! So get out those deer hunter hats and magnifying glasses, Sherlock’s! Is this stamp right way up? I think it’s upside down? I dunno … help me Sherlocks - you’re my only hope! LoL 😆
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Post by philatelia on Oct 28, 2023 10:50:41 GMT
Yesterday’s contest was almost a stumper but two of our brilliant Sherlock’s answered the call. Almost a tie, but salentin was first by a squeak correctly identifying ‘ A real difficult one: depending on the real colour (depends on the scanner) it is either Nepal 1.) 2 Annas 1899/1906 issue (brown-lilac) Michel no.19B or 2.) 2 Annas 1917/18 issue (brown/orange brown),Michel no.32,if on thin silk-paper
(actually a nice looking one !) rednaxela very soon after said; Nepal, Scott # 16....EXCELLENT SLEUTHING! Wear your Nepalese trophy hat proudly!
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Post by philatelia on Oct 28, 2023 11:01:49 GMT
Today’s challenge will exercise your philatelic muscles;
Modern issues can be as challenging as classics. Yes, this is a common stamp, but there are MANY types and varieties. WHO CAN CORRECTLY TELL US THE SCOTT NUMBER? BONUS POINTS FOR A MICHEL NUMBER!
I posted a large picture because you need to be able to see some fine details to correctly identify this stamp.
Good luck, Sherlocks!
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Post by philatelia on Oct 29, 2023 10:02:04 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Oct 29, 2023 10:12:06 GMT
Today’s stamp identification challenge was suggested by carabop and it’s a good one! Good luck Sherlocks!
Please message your answers to me, philatelia.
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Post by carabop on Oct 29, 2023 13:55:19 GMT
It’s cold enough here today to wear the coonskin cap. It might be a bit large for me but I’m still going to wear it.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 30, 2023 9:38:18 GMT
Wow carabop almost stumped our Sherlocks. There was only ONE answer - super sleuth rednaxela solved the mystery AND he provided a wealth of information which I will cut and paste: I can’t cut and paste his pics, but will screenshot his post below;
SO CONGRATS RED! Here ‘s your trophy hat! Red even suggested a German hat!
THE FOLLOWING WAS WRITTEN BY rednaxela; This is a saving vignette of the savings bank of the town of Regis Breitingen, which is located west of Leipzig in Saxony. Such vignettes were not used postally, but were initially intended to facilitate savings, especially by poorer classes, and later especially by schoolchildren.
The history of savings vignettes in Germany goes back to the beginning of the 1880s and in the state of Saxony. The idea was to make it easier for poorer people to save. In particular, customers from the working class were to be able to save more easily. Thus, at the first Saxon Savings Bank Day, held in Freiberg on July 5, 1882, it was decided, among other things, to promote small savings by issuing such vignettes.
At that time, minimum deposit amounts were common for administrative reasons. Saving vignettes now made it possible to add even the smallest amounts of money to savings accounts. The vignettes were handed out at sales outlets and usually stuck on small cards until this minimum amount was reached. Then the deposit could be made at the cashier's office.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 30, 2023 9:54:43 GMT
A (Slightly easier) CHALLENGE FOR OUR NEWER COLLECTORS! (But everyone is welcome to play!) Let’s see how many responses we can get - don’t be shy! Message me the answer and Join in the fun! Earn a trophy hat!
OK - WHO is this dude with the waxed curly mustache and weird hat? What is this stamp? Good luck, Sherlocks!
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Post by philatelia on Oct 31, 2023 12:38:16 GMT
Well done, Sherlock’s! There were a bunch of enthusiastic responses who correctly identified good old King Faud, Scott # 98. hrdoktorx wrote King Fouad I of Egypt, Sultan (in 1917) then King (starting in 1922) of Egypt and Sudan until 1936 The clever folks who joined in the fun were:
rednaxela Londonbus1 hdm1950 jaysee mberry hrdoktorx
SIX answers! Great work - almost beat the record of seven.
Here is your trophy hat - a fez of course! Wear it today with pride!
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