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Post by philatelia on Oct 12, 2023 13:14:10 GMT
Just for fun - let’s give our identification Sherlocks some interesting challenges! Dig up the most obscure stamps or label or postal marking that you can find and post them here. The first person to Stump the pros will win a $10 coupon towards my EBay sales - embroidery included!
Answer must include a catalog number or similar citation. Naming country of origin is not sufficient. Answer must be sent in a private message - do not post answers on the board. No spoilers please? Admin- Moderators - I’m not sure - should this thread be under giveaways? There is a sub board there saying “closed giveaways and Contests” but the board is called giveaways. I went with the stamp identification board, but please move as you see fit. Thanks! First challenge:  |
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 12, 2023 13:28:30 GMT
Well Terri philatelia, I believe I know what this is……..just have no idea of a catalogue number……I don’t have that catalogue. I shan’t post here incase I spoil the fun but will send a PM |
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Post by philatelia on Oct 12, 2023 13:44:59 GMT
I don’t know if this IS actually listed in ANY catalog, but Alex, vikingeck, has identified country and probable origin. Let’s see if anyone can add to this? Great job, Alex! |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2023 14:03:15 GMT
Not in any Catalogue as far as I know.
FINLAND
Charity seal (Surcharged 1 Mark on 50p) Mannerheims Barnkydd Child protection
In Swedish
The stamp reads ‘Mannerheims Barnskydd’ (Swedish) - ‘Mannerheimium Lastensvdjelv’ (Finnish), which translates
as Mannerheim’s Childcare. .
Nice Stamp !
Not seen before, not in any of my 53 Finnish Cinderellas or 49 Swedish.
Note: It is known perfinned.
www.mll.fi/en/short-term-child-care-services/
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Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2023 14:24:48 GMT
Oops!
maybe here.............
link
This is one of the very few, remaining unidentifieds
Since June 1st 2014
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 12, 2023 14:46:08 GMT
rod222 ’s identification of the Mannerheim Children’s league charity label matches my ID sent to Terri as a PM . Relieved there is no known catalogue number. However I don’t see his Vallay Mail label connecting to the Scottish island. In spite of the multitude of spurious coloured labels perpetrated by the notorious Clive Feigenbaum pretending to be local carriage labels ( for uninhabited Scottish Islands) this does not look sophisticated enough for his dodgy items. (See Staffa, Stroma , Davaar, EynHallow etc) the “5” does not look British and is actually an unlikely rate for the UK . Pre decimal currency in 1971 we had no 5penny coin. there were 12pennies in the shilling and most transactions would use a fraction of 12 ie 1,2, 3,4, or 6 . Then in the years following decimal currency 5p always had the letter to indicate the new currency.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 12, 2023 14:57:53 GMT
We have a tie! Both vikingeck and rod222 identified country and the charity plus a bit more. GOOD WORK! And JeffS identified part, but not quite a thoroughly as our top two. Let’s see a few more stumpers! I have one for tomorrow - stay tuned! Same channel, same station! |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 12, 2023 15:35:19 GMT
Thanks for this, Terri ( philatelia)! You have found an inconsistency in the labelling of the sub-boards. I agree that if we have "Ended Giveaways & Contests" then the corresponding counterpart should be "Member Giveaways & Contests." Steve ( Admin), could we consider changing this please? With that in mind, I have moved this contest thread over to the Giveaway sub-board, since it does have a prize, that's where it belongs. Have fun, everyone!  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2023 0:14:05 GMT
Alex / members
I was thinking about the initial post by Philatelia overnight.
Being the Finland charity seal, carries both a value tablet, let alone a surcharge, and known to have a PERFIN
Is this highly unusual for a charity stamp?
I am not sure I recall many instances of this. 
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 13, 2023 10:51:37 GMT
Surcharged charity “stamps” are not unusual when unused from an earlier year are re issued later .
I have a member of our club who collects Denmark perfins ( in a big way …..10,000 examples) he knows of Danish charity seals which were perfinned but only has a couple of examples. Some companies would perfin a bulk purchase of such seals , but they are definitely scarce or rare. Where a perfin on a Danish stamp might be worth <1kr the same on a Christmas seal would be DKr ++ or even +++
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Post by philatelia on Oct 13, 2023 11:40:38 GMT
OK pros - here’s today’s identification puzzler. This one should be much easier .. Let’s do this to give other’s a chance; Answer via private message to me only - once we have THREE ANSWERS, I will cut and paste and post the answers on the board noting who was first. Good luck! 
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Post by philatelia on Oct 13, 2023 14:20:38 GMT
Good job! Three answers in an hour - you guys are dang good! First answer was from Hugh, hdm1950”Today's contest stamp is the Scott 8 Wheel of Life stamp from Tannu Tuva. issued in 1926. It is the 1 ruble value. I have seen it spelt Tannon Touva as well. Cheers, Hugh” Second response was from greaden“Tannu) Tuva, Scott 4. 8 whatsits, green.” Third response was from our “fearless leader” tomiseksj‘Tannu Tuva 8k yellow green Wheel of Truth (Scott 4 but I'm color blind so it could be the 2k light blue Scott 2)., On second thought it is definitely the 1r blue green Scott 8“  WELL DONE FELLAS! Thanks for playing! Check back tomorrow for a new challenge. And - everyone is welcome to try to stump the experts - win a prize if you can do it! |
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Post by philatelia on Oct 14, 2023 10:34:46 GMT
OK pros - here’s today’s identification puzzler. I’m actually not sure which way is up on this one! It sure looks like it needs a bath, too.
Edit - thanks rod222 - rotating to your suggested correct orientation
Let’s do this to give other’s a chance; Answer via private message to me only - once we have THREE ANSWERS, I will cut and paste and post the answers on the board noting who was first. Good luck!
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Post by rod222 on Oct 14, 2023 11:00:32 GMT
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I’m actually not sure which way is up on this one!
The dark part of the Globe should be bottom left (1 rotation anticlockwise)
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Post by philatelia on Oct 14, 2023 11:55:58 GMT
Only one guess so far … anyone else want to try? This should be in Philatarium’s wheelhouse… |
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Post by philatelia on Oct 15, 2023 11:00:18 GMT
Only two answers to the last entry! A bit more of a toughie, eh? But we have a tie - Rod rod222 replied; Test stamp It is a Japan Almanac and schoolbooks
1882 -1884
typographed
affixed to caledars
comes in 2 sizes 22.5mm x 25mm and 2.5mm x 8.5mm
The dark side of the globe should be bottom left for orientationBut tomiseksj provided a catalog citation, too, so I think it’s a bit of tie. Way to go, fellas!  |
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Post by philatelia on Oct 15, 2023 11:02:09 GMT
Here is today’s identification challenge - let’s see how FAST we can get three answers!
Send your guess in a private message to me so as to not give away the answer.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 15, 2023 11:06:16 GMT
Interesting that with the orientation the animals on the circling band are all upside down!
I presume they represent the Chinese years symbols. ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake . Does Japan also have the “year of the ….”?
Pardon my ignorance but I was not aware of that symbolism in Japan.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 15, 2023 11:07:15 GMT
That is easy Terri compared to the last one
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Post by philatelia on Oct 15, 2023 11:19:06 GMT
I’m trying to alternate easier and very tough.
If anyone has any toughies - how about sending me a pic? You don’t even need to know what it is.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 15, 2023 11:32:52 GMT
Amazing responses - we have an awesome group! Three answers within mere minutes!
The first to identify and catalog was Hugh hdm1950 in Toronto;
Bangkok B Overprint, It would be the Scott 12 because of the rose colour issued in 1883.
Then Michael Londonbus1 in Israel;
B for Bangkok, British Post Office, Bangkok 1882-85. I just happened to read all about these when I was selling a CW collection a while back. They were actually issued out of the Singapore Post Office which was situated in the British Consulate !
And Alex vikingeck in Scotland;
In the early colonial trading posts for British In Malaysia , the principle centres for the Straits Settlements were Penang and Singapore. commercial enterprises in Bangkok Thailand (Siam) used Straits stamps overprinted “B”
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Post by philatelia on Oct 15, 2023 11:39:07 GMT
Interesting that with the orientation the animals on the circling band are all upside down! I presume they represent the Chinese years symbols. ox, tiger, rabbit, snake . Does Japan also have the “year of the ….”? Pardon my ignorance but I was not aware of that symbolism in Japan. I was wondering the same thing about the orientation, but I think the globe is showing Japan and the pacific and they wouldn’t be in the normal way we view the globe if tilted the other way. At this angle, the Japanese archipelago looks like it is on top of the world. Very odd though. |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2023 15:10:27 GMT
Interesting that with the orientation the animals on the circling band are all upside down! I presume they represent the Chinese years symbols. ox, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake . Does Japan also have the “year of the ….”? Pardon my ignorance but I was not aware of that symbolism in Japan.
There exists an online Monograph of these Almanac revenues, that apparently give an incorrect issue date
Steve's scan image from Forbin (1876) appears correct (But Forbin shows Perf 10, and Japan shows Perf 9.5  )
Also the size of the printed image differs
Almanac = Calendar
The animals on the globes band are Japanese Zodiac animals
The text on the right side of the globe is the verification of the calendar distribution (hanrekisho)
Date of usage (3 types of Almanac stamps) October 17th 1876 to April 26 1882 (Then Discontinued)
Almanac certificate stamps were issued by proclamation from the Ministry of Home Affairs
in order to control the issuance of Almanacs, and to monopolise its distribution by the Government
through the dedicated company "Han-ricki Shou-Sha"
Source : Private Catalogue and Japanese collector "Unechan"
PS : Large Almanac stamp affixed to Bound Almanacs, small, for single sheet Almanacs (assumed scarce)
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Post by darkormex on Oct 15, 2023 15:29:33 GMT
Coincidentally, I happen to have Hasegawa's Japanese Revenue Stamps Catalogue on loan from the philatelic library of The International Society for Japanese Philately. Here is a scan of the page regarding almanac stamps. Hopefully this is somewhat helpful. You may not be able to copy and paste Japanese text from these images in order to translate but if you would like more information regarding what is on here, let me know and I will see what I can do.   |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2023 15:32:20 GMT
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Coincidentally, I happen to have Hasegawa's Japanese Revenue Stamps Catalogue on loan from the philatelic library of The International Society for Japanese Philately. Here is a scan of the page regarding almanac stamps. Hopefully this is somewhat helpful. You may not be able to copy and paste Japanese text from these images in order to translate but if you would like more information regarding what is on here, let me know and I will see what I can do.
Fabulous! Thanks Darkormex, may I have permission to save your scans please?
This also takes the Almanacs back to 1869 (Albeit, chops, not stamps)
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Post by darkormex on Oct 15, 2023 15:33:48 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2023 15:45:07 GMT
Thank you !  Also, Ankers Nielson (copyrighted ) shows an unidentified stamp amongst his Almanacs, (PDF File) (The Middle Stamp)
I post a fragment in case you can identify in your studies.
Thanks Darrin
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Post by darkormex on Oct 15, 2023 16:09:06 GMT
rod222, I can tell you that it is not in the Hasegawa catalog but also, it bears a strong resemblance to some other stamps I posted about for identification a couple of months back. Unfortunately I have run out of time and have to work on preparing food for some family coming over this afternoon but I will try to help later this evening. Also, Philatarium and khj may be of some assistance with this if they happen to be visiting the page today.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 16, 2023 7:58:54 GMT
Here is today’s identification challenge - let’s see how FAST we can get three answers!
This one is an exercise in identifying something old and faded. Good luck!
Please Send your guess in a private message to me so as to not give away the answer.
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Post by philatelia on Oct 16, 2023 11:30:41 GMT
I went back to sleep - I posted the challenge at 4 in the morning - and when I awoke there were a bunch of answers! Good work everyone! Tomorrow I’ll post the pic at 12 noon EST to give folks in other time zones a better chance to be first. THANKS FOR PLAYING! And the first answer - drumroll 🥁please was: salentin “An easy one for me,because it is one of the only two stamps I own of Naples/Napoli/Neapel: Michel no.3, 2 Grana,issued Jan.1st,1858.” And the other clever folks were in order received; vikingeck “Ah Neapolitan Naples. 2 granna. Italian before there was an Italy ,!” rod222 “Two Sicilies Naples Scott #A3 Coat of Arms Sc#3 1858 2 Grana Pale lake Cv circa $400 used $16” rednaxela “Kingdom of both Sicilies, 1858, Scott '3” JeffS “Good morning Terri, the stamp is from Two Sicilys, pre-Italy. Scott number 3.” tobben63 “Two Sicilia Coat of Arms 2 grano No 3 (In most catalogues) Issued 1858” And here is the Colnect note - this is actually a variety of number 3 in some catalogs;  |
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WELL DONE FELLAS! Thanks for playing! Check back tomorrow for a new challenge. 
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