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Post by BC on Jul 31, 2013 20:07:46 GMT
I just acquired this nice used 1c Locomotive stamp from New Brunswick.  It is Scott No. 6, issued in November, 1860. According to Robson Lowe, The Encyclopedia of British Empire Postage Stamps, Part II, it depicts Engine No. 9 of the European and North America Railway. The stamp was printed by the American Bank Note Company. |
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Post by cjd on Jul 31, 2013 20:30:11 GMT
That is an example you can be proud of. Interesting information from Lowe, too.
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Post by BC on Jul 31, 2013 21:05:29 GMT
Thanks CJD. Here is an old photograph of Engine No. 9. There may have been some artistic license here or it is a different engine altogether.  I found it at McCord Musuem in Montreal: www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/info/mission/ |
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Post by cjd on Jul 31, 2013 21:15:48 GMT
Someone who knows more about steam locos will have to pipe up, but those do not look like the same locomotive. The stamp loco almost looks like an outside-frame loco, unless those are full-length walkways along the sides?
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Post by therealwesty on Aug 1, 2013 1:28:28 GMT
That's a great stamp, possibly my favorite from New Brunswick. And that's a great copy too, definitely something to be proud of!
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 6:24:06 GMT
my opinion is they are of the same model. One can see the handrails in the image if enlarged. Possibly a not so talented engraver? the second carriage appears to be out of perspective, like we can see inside of the postal carriage.
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Post by BC on Aug 1, 2013 13:40:30 GMT
Rod, I see two cars on the stamp, the second appears to be a squished coal car, followed by another car. The front wheels on the locomotive are much closer on the stamp too.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 13:51:57 GMT
Ah! yes, now I see it too, gosh golly  Apologies to the engraver. |
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Post by BC on Aug 1, 2013 14:32:01 GMT
I borrowed this locomotive cover from a Mathew Bennett auction page - it shows the same type of New Brunswick cancel used on my stamp, a "dumb" grid.  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 14:51:36 GMT
What was the reserve BC?, I highlighted Mathew Bennett auction, right clicked for Google to search, and received "this page not available"
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Post by BC on Aug 1, 2013 15:19:23 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 15:29:31 GMT
Wow! you know I find it hard to fathom how, in 1860, New Brunswick could have an apparently flourishing coin and stamp market?
that other cover on the same page with the corner advertising $11,000 (gulp)
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Post by BC on Aug 1, 2013 19:58:51 GMT
Check out the wheel on the baggage car - it looks like it is derailed:  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 2, 2013 8:32:49 GMT
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Post by BC on Aug 2, 2013 20:52:25 GMT
Well 8 and 9 look the same anyway Rod.
I see I was wrong to say the second car is a coal car, it is a wood car as the locomotive was wood burning.
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Post by BC on Aug 2, 2013 21:17:44 GMT
There is a great copy of an 1850 fully zoom-able map of the European and North American Railway on the United States Library of Congress website. www.loc.gov/resource/g3721p.rr001050/Here is a thumbnail:  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 2, 2013 23:32:19 GMT
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Post by BC on Aug 2, 2013 23:40:55 GMT
Wow, those are some cool toys!
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Post by therealwesty on Aug 4, 2013 13:48:28 GMT
Here's my copies of #6 the red lilac shade, and 6a in brown violet. Note that I feel the difference in colour is more visible on the real stamps. The scanner has sort of averaged the colour between the two if that makes any sense.  |
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Post by BC on Aug 4, 2013 16:04:14 GMT
I ca see the differences Realwesty.
The 1c New Brunswick Locomotive stamp is catalogued as follows:
Scott/Unitrade
Date of issue: May 15, 1860
Perf 12
6 Red lilac
6a Brown
Stanley Gibbons
Date of issue: May 15, 1860
7 Brown purple
8 Purple
9 Claret
I am not sure what perforation Gibbons uses.
Robson Lowe
Date of issue: May 15, 1860
Perf 11.6 to 11.75
8 Brown Purple
Date of issue: 1863-64
Perf 11.70 to 11.75 x 11.95 to 12
15 Purple
16 claret
I will have to check my perforations, and also dig out my mint copy.
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Post by therealwesty on Aug 5, 2013 12:20:19 GMT
Interesting that the Unitrade colour names are different from the other two. I will have to be on the lookout for another shade now! I can use the perf measurement from Lowe to try and determine which varieties I have. Any guess as to what colours my two stamps would be in the Gibbons/Lowe colour names?
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Post by BC on Aug 6, 2013 1:02:46 GMT
I have a Gibbons colour chart - I have to find it in my mess and then will make a guess.
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Post by BC on Aug 7, 2013 20:30:40 GMT
Realwesty, I looked at my Gibbons colour chart, and my stamp is the brown purple. So is another mint copy I have.
I would say your left stamp is the claret, and the right the brown purple. The purple colour swab on the chart is quite a bit different, I don't think I have seen one that colour. These shades are to difficult to even bother to try and scan from the chart.
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 8, 2013 0:06:24 GMT
I have a Gibbons colour chart - I have to find it in my mess and then will make a guess. I bought a Gibbons colour key in the early 80s, well before I realized that it wouldn't help me with Scott's U.S. Stamp colors. If it can be of help, here are the three Gibbons colors.  |
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Post by BC on Aug 8, 2013 0:49:20 GMT
Those colours look good on my phone Steve. I will check on my pc when I am home.
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Post by BC on Aug 8, 2013 1:42:00 GMT
The colours look very close to my chart, so I think what I said about Realwesty's colours is correct.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 8, 2013 10:39:34 GMT
About precise color charts. There is a multi volume set (that is quite expensive) that is very helpful. I'll find out the name of it/them so you know but the guide is well over a thousand dollars but in my opinion it's well worth it if your a specialist in that sort of thing.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 8, 2013 10:42:47 GMT
I have both the Stanley Gibbons chip set and the old style wonder color gauge. Both come in pretty handy.
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Post by mac1775 on Aug 8, 2013 19:50:02 GMT
"Stanley Gibbons Color Guide" is better used on non US stamps (European, etc.)  There is also a older color chart from Gibbons that shows color from stamps.  Many collectors use the "Wonder color gauge" for quick identification.  The "Scott specialized color book" uses real color chips for the older classics.  The grandaddy mentioned is "Encyclopedia of the colors of us postage stamps."   |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 9, 2013 0:30:16 GMT
Interesting post. Thanks. (thumbs up icon here)
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Apologies to the engraver.
