madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jul 16, 2023 0:42:33 GMT
Triple fascinating. The issue of 'China Clipper' journal, currently online at the China Stamp Society website, has an interesting article about the surcharges on these stamps and other low value definitives that were on hand at the time. The circumstances in China at the end of WWII caused issues and decisions that go far beyond what a general listing can explain. The context around those wild and woolly pages in Scott is rich indeed. What a hobby, eh? Here's a link to the article: www.chinastampsociety.org/files/Issue-87-2.pdf
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khj
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Post by khj on Jul 16, 2023 1:12:57 GMT
Be forewarned, there are a handful of overprints/surcharges that are not premium items that are not listed in Scott. I am not referring to printer's wastes. Some are listed in SG or Michel, but I feel even more lost when using SG/Michel on the overprints/surcharges. Probably not due to disorganization, but more that I've gotten used to Scott's mess.
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 16, 2023 2:48:50 GMT
I have hundreds of these Chinese overprints that I spent countless hours on over the years as I kept acquiring them in old collections I would buy. I use Scott as well and I have eventually found each one. Sometimes I would just walk away from them for a day or 2. They are like a jigsaw puzzle. I add to my own grief by squeezing them onto pages in my Scott world wide album where there are not spaces for each one so they are spread out over a few dozen pages. Even with some Chinese stamps taking off in value these ones have moved little.
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jul 16, 2023 6:56:34 GMT
Sometimes I would just walk away from them for a day or 2. They are like a jigsaw puzzle.
That's a great analogy. I spent an hour on one of the Sun Yat Sen issues and am getting much better at it. But it's best if I tackle them in stages.
- the base stamps. Find the 3 or four printings, the secret marks, the green - olive green differences (often guessing as i only have one copy!)
- the surcharges with 'latin' numerals (or is it arabic? the 1 - 2 -3 's)
- rough sort the additional overprints and dive into the back of the book. I can already tell Szechwan province on site, sort of.
Or in jigsaw terms, edge pieces, main figures and then all the sky.
It's enjoyable, for sure.
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This lot is part of a banker box of stamps I bought from a former co-worker five or so years ago. He was a doctor and a fairly serious collector, but stopped in the mid-1970's. She inherited around eight boxes of stamps, including a stellar collection of early British North America, along with a hefty selection of basic WW approvals, Canadian new issues, etc. I 'appraised' it all over several evenings, told her the good stuff was out of my price range, and bought his WW 'miscellaneous' box. Win-win, as I've still got two shoeboxes of envelopes to process. I haven't found anything cataloguing over $10, (I'd be hard pressed to recall anything over $5) but I've had dozens of hours of fun.
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angore
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Post by angore on Jul 16, 2023 10:45:05 GMT
Is there some handy dandy overprint identifier I could print out or some sorting guide? I am looking at some now and just started separating China from Taiwan.
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jan 30, 2024 5:20:07 GMT
Hello again! I spent the evening cataloguing a dozen stamps with overprints from the 1940 Hong Kong printing definitives. I am down to the final stamp in the stack and it has me stumped:
The base stamp is Scott #387. Perf. 14, no watermark, with the 'Secret Mark' on the upper left. But I can't place the overprint at all. Can anyone help?
Bonus Q: Am I correct that the right side markings will identify the location/purpose, and the left side markings the new denomination? I'm sensing a bit of a pattern where the left side changes based on the new stamp value, even if there is a box with the new value in numerals.
and a PS: The vignette is shifted down a bit on this stamp. First time I've noticed this. Now if only I can get it to flip upside down!
Thanks!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 30, 2024 6:29:40 GMT
Hello again! I spent the evening cataloguing a dozen stamps with overprints from the 1940 Hong Kong printing definitives. I am down to the final stamp in the stack and it has me stumped:
The base stamp is Scott #387. Perf. 14, no watermark, with the 'Secret Mark' on the upper left. But I can't place the overprint at all. Can anyone help?
Bonus Q: Am I correct that the right side markings will identify the location/purpose, and the left side markings the new denomination? I'm sensing a bit of a pattern where the left side changes based on the new stamp value, even if there is a box with the new value in numerals.
and a PS: The vignette is shifted down a bit on this stamp. First time I've noticed this. Now if only I can get it to flip upside down!
Thanks!
Hi, This is a "Postal Savings stamp" Opt seems to be from HunanThis stamp is not in my collection, I need to do some more specific research. I have it as a KWANGTUNG overprint on DAH TUNG SYS Guangdong formerly romanized as Canton or Kwangtung, is a coastal province located in South China, on the north shore of the South China Sea$1 Sun Yat Sen Scott type A57 A similar Opt on Scott Type A62 ![](https://i.ibb.co/pz5kZT6/China-Postal-Savings-HUNAN-50c-Scott-A62.jpg)
Here are the Kwangtung Listingss
![](https://i.ibb.co/4YyMhHt/z782.jpg) ![](https://i.ibb.co/PYJ5jmB/z781.jpg)
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jan 30, 2024 18:51:19 GMT
Wow, thanks for the detailed response, rod222. I'll study this closely. 💖🙏
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 31, 2024 0:25:42 GMT
Wow, thanks for the detailed response, rod222 . I'll study this closely. 💖🙏 madbakerYou're welcome For years, these stamps languished in my "too hard basket" until a colleague (Calstamp from Florida) gifted me this monograph. I found employing the Scott "type" was an easy way to ID the ubiquitous China overprints When I searched for "type A57" I was surprised your stamp did not appear, or pop up So, for me, you have an very uncommon stamp I had to delve into the monograph. So... thanks to you too
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