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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 16:02:23 GMT
Following the discussion in the thread Postkard Art, I should like to ask the whole TSF community to help coining a new word to name my philately-inspired artworks in the Postkard Art project. For the moment, let me call this thing 'X'. Note that X as an artwork is created with artistic intention, therefore differs from a mass product that is produced without artistic intention. There are 3 elements in this project, X is one of them: (1) the support ('X'), (2) the postage stamp, (3) the postmark. Let's see the characteristics of X as I envisage it: In my terminology, the end goal is for X to become at least 'quasiperfect'. Basically, I am trying to come up with a new word to replace the term 'linover' which I honestly don't like in the following naming scheme: Dear all, I have finally decided how to name my 'artworks' in the Postkard Art project. Let me present before you, the naming scheme I have designed: - linover, a new coined word driven from 'Linda’s cover' = an artwork for which at least one stamp of corresponding theme exists (the stamp is not yet fixed on the artwork);
- semiperfect linover = a linover on the image side of which at least one corresponding stamp is fixed;
- quasiperfect linover = a semiperfect linover for which the stamp is cancelled but neither the location nor the date of the cancellation corresponds to the theme of the linover (it can be because such correspondance doesn’t exist);
- perfect linover = a semiperfect linover on which a corresponding postmark is fixed (be it by date or by location);
- superperfect linover = a perfect linover for which the other element of the postmark (date or location) also corresponds to the theme of the linover.
So, my 'Series I artworks' are perfect or semiperfect linovers, while my 'Series II artworks' are quasiperfect linovers under this naming scheme. See the following image for examples: Beside my own creations, here are more examples of X: - A piece of Mail Art that satisfies the concordance condition and gets postmarked is an X. - Dorothy Knapp's hand-painted covers based on her original design is an X. - A non-traditional maxicard whose support is a drawing / painting / or another kind of artwork is an X. Here are examples of non-X: - The printed version of Dorothy Knapp's covers (also based on her original design) are mass-products carrying no artistic intention. - Commercialised FDC. - A traditional maxicard whose support is a mass-produced postcard. Bearing in mind that what we call X also include some type of covers and non-traditional maxicards, please answer the opening question.
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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 17:54:30 GMT
The trickiest thing, I think, in coming up with a body of language to describe this project is when dealing with reproduction, which has been rendered more sophisticated by new technologies and new ways of trading. Earlier, I gave an example by comparing a commercialised postcard with an original artwork -- the presence and the absence of 'artistic intention' may sound clear in this case, but what if we are dealing with a certificated giclée print of this original artwork? According to my art-specialist friend, a giclée print that comes with a signature, a number, a certificate of authenticity, or whatever that comes with the work to justify that the reproduction has been fully endorsed by the artist, is considered to be part of an often limited edition of the artwork. However, the customer who had purchased an authentic giclée may not be allowed to claim he/she has created a new X (which is an artwork) by adding a postage stamp and postmark on it -- unless he/she has been authorised by the artist to make a secondary derived work out of this authentic giclée. Similarly, a Zazzle customer who had purchased a postcard featuring the same image endorsed by the artist to be made into diverse products by Zazzle cannot claim he/she has created a new X by adding a postage stamp and a postmark to it. Because X needs to be an artwork in the first place, but the postcard purchased from Zazzle is a mass product. However, he/she can claim to be making a (traditional or non-traditional) maxicard. Now the complicated thing is when it comes to readymade -- What if this Zazzle customer uses the postcard he/she purchased -- which is a mass product -- to produce a derived work by adding his/her touch of personality (such as pairing it with a postage stamp and postmark) and claims the result to be a readymade? My take in this case is that theoretically this claim is valid, but my art-specialist friend thinks it will be hard for this Zazzle customer to come up with a background theory for his/her result to be accepted as an artwork by the artworld. Most likely, this Zazzle customer will be considered violating the artist's copyright. Complicated huh? Do you not think philately as a business is less complicated?
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Post by dorincard on Jul 31, 2023 19:23:47 GMT
I voted for PHILAGRAPH, since it's a postcard or envelope onto which an artwork is drawn/created. For PHILAtelic purposes (not necessarily postal, too). Artwork belonging to GRAPHic Arts category (even if it's mixed media).
So no term like post*, because your creation might not see postal use.
The word stamp means both postage stamp, and (rubber)stamp. PHILA could be a port-manteau, an encompassing word root for all things philatelic.
Personalized stamps (from Zazzle, etc.) ARE valid for postage, so they are officially accepted by FIP for maxicards, too.
Many local post stamps are cinderellas, NOT valid for postage.
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Post by ameis33 on Jul 31, 2023 19:33:32 GMT
A name? What's in a name that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet? Don't take care to the name of the rose, but to its profume
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Linda
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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 20:12:56 GMT
Roberto ( ameis33 ) -- I knew you would say that! Dorin ( dorincard ) -- The way I envisage X does not limit it being created on a 'postcard or envelope'. Although drawing and painting are the most obvious art forms that can go with this type of creation, I don't see why sculpture, wood-carving, etc. cannot be X. In these cases, we are not necessarily dealing with paper material. But the postal agency of some countries may limit the postmarking to be made onto paper material only, or something that resembles paper materials -- like wooden postcards that are thin enough to resemble paper postcards. So depending on where the artist intends to create his/her work, some materials / art forms may have to be excluded.
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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 20:30:08 GMT
By the way, I thought I have allowed people to suggest new answers -- does this feature show up in the poll?
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Post by paul1 on Jul 31, 2023 20:42:23 GMT
Hi Linda - I sense we're in danger of over-complicating this adventure. As an example, the expression 'post card' (obviously English language), has continued to endure since the middle of the C19 - perhaps because of its simplicity of meaning which is obvious and leaves no room for anyone to be unsure as to what we're speaking of. George Orwell ('1984') was passionate about keeping our written words simple and uncomplicated, such that all and sundry would know the meaning when conveying written speech, and he listed half a dozen rules that we should observe when writing such that we achieved simplicity. In view of the origin of your reasons for this exercise - i.e. 'stamp related postcard art' - then perhaps we're asking too much of the English language in trying to create a short expression that is exactly the equal of those four words - perhaps we're back to needing a gimmick word;-);-)
If you're happy with the above list and are prepared to accept a democratic vote, then fine, but I'm still in two minds that we've not really cracked it, and somehow we've not managed the most ideal solution. How about Artphilcard ;-) - or should that have been 'artfulcard' ;-);-)
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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 20:49:21 GMT
paul1 -- I am thinking of coining a new word because I like to use the 'perfectness' scheme I took from number theorists 'quasiperfect stamp related postcard art' sounds really long But just like postcard is require to make a 'maxcard', stamp-related artwork is required to make a 'perfect X'. Maybe we can go with simple 'artwork', leaving the new coined word to be the 'postmarked final result' (which I call 'perfect X')? I am awful with language, whence my asking the opinion of other forum members.
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Post by dorincard on Jul 31, 2023 20:49:46 GMT
Yes, parcels are mailable, even if they franked and postmarked coconuts, baseball bats, etc.
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Post by dorincard on Jul 31, 2023 20:58:54 GMT
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Post by madbaker on Jul 31, 2023 21:21:17 GMT
An alternative viewpoint:
Instead of naming it by what it does, or how it is made,
Give it a name, and then give power to that name.
Starbucks didn't mean anything, until it did.
Same with iPhone.
How does this make the holder feel? How are they changed by possessing it?
Ladies, gentlemen and folks of all denominations, I present to you...
THE JOLT
Hold this card in your hand and you will never forget the horrific acts that occurred. More than giving money, let this card JOLT you into action.
Apologies if you are trying to describe the art form, rather than the object.
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Linda
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Post by Linda on Jul 31, 2023 22:02:24 GMT
Actually, I didn't know the English word 'jolt' -- I am learning new things everyday by collecting stamps
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Post by greaden on Jul 31, 2023 22:24:47 GMT
I believe the term 'tweet" is now available.
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Post by philatelia on Aug 1, 2023 7:54:52 GMT
Ok the following is a very sophomoric joke - so no ruffled feathers! …
I vote for PHILATELIC ART - shortened to “PHART”. (Groan!!)
Ok, now my schnauzer boys say I have it all wrong - they suggest ARPH (arf) double groan!
Sorry Linda - I’m having a second childhood this morning.
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Post by paul1 on Aug 1, 2023 8:05:23 GMT
Linda - I don't believe for a moment that you're 'awful with language' - am sure you are an intrepid linguist. I like madbaker's explanation of creating an entirely new word - unrelated phonetically or in meaning - trouble is there may not be sufficient time or world wide audience for this to evolve successfully. But, working along vaguely similar lines how about .... a 'Lindacard' - 'Lindart' - 'Lindpost' ....... ;-)
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Post by Linda on Aug 1, 2023 9:59:09 GMT
paul1 -- X was once called 'linover' coined from 'Linda's cover' but I don't' like it ... philatelia -- I think 'Philatelic Art' for the project's name is actually very good! Seeing that the scope of artworks I am envisaging goes beyond regular postcards.
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Post by Linda on Aug 1, 2023 11:27:06 GMT
AI suggested 'PhilArt' as the name of the project. Is it better than 'Postkard Art'?
Moreover, here are some coined words for the art object that serves as the support for the postage stamp and postmark suggested by AI:
Stamplet: A combination of "stamp" and "tablet," signifying a small object for displaying stamps and postmarks.
Postoart: Merging "post" and "art," this name emphasizes the artistic nature of the object with philatelic elements.
Philoview: Combining "philately" and "view," this name suggests a viewing platform for philatelic elements.
Markframe: This name conveys how the object frames and displays the postmark.
Stampscape:A blend of "stamp" and "landscape," signifying a visual landscape of stamps and postmarks.
Thematix: A fusion of "thematic" and "art," this name represents the thematic artistic object.
Postapanel: Merging "post" and "panel," this name implies a panel for displaying philatelic elements.
Philoframe: Combining "philately" and "frame," this name highlights the framing of stamps and postmarks.
Markview: This name indicates a view or display of the postmark.
Stampstone: A play on "stamp" and "keystone," signifying the central element supporting the philatelic components.
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Post by paul1 on Aug 1, 2023 13:44:24 GMT
have to say I rather like 'thematix' although it doesn't really nail the philatelic aspect.
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Post by seagull on Aug 1, 2023 16:50:11 GMT
AI suggested 'PhilArt' as the name of the project. Is it better than 'Postkard Art'? Moreover, here are some coined words for the art object that serves as the support for the postage stamp and postmark suggested by AI: Stamplet: A combination of "stamp" and "tablet," signifying a small object for displaying stamps and postmarks. Postoart: Merging "post" and "art," this name emphasizes the artistic nature of the object with philatelic elements. Philoview: Combining "philately" and "view," this name suggests a viewing platform for philatelic elements. Markframe: This name conveys how the object frames and displays the postmark. Stampscape:A blend of "stamp" and "landscape," signifying a visual landscape of stamps and postmarks. Thematix: A fusion of "thematic" and "art," this name represents the thematic artistic object. Postapanel: Merging "post" and "panel," this name implies a panel for displaying philatelic elements. Philoframe: Combining "philately" and "frame," this name highlights the framing of stamps and postmarks. Markview: This name indicates a view or display of the postmark. Stampstone: A play on "stamp" and "keystone," signifying the central element supporting the philatelic components. PhilArtelica? (With or without the capitalised A?)
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Post by eggdog on Aug 1, 2023 19:33:59 GMT
Stampscape:A blend of "stamp" and "landscape," signifying a visual landscape of stamps and postmarks I like that one. It's not especially glamourous, but it's a word that I think is just catchy enough to register and can have some staying power. People won't get tired of it. "Markframe" has some of the same qualities and a likeable techno/3D quality but probably wouldn't say enough about what it is. I'm not all that partial to words that have "o" as a joiner. A lot of blaah-o-blaah words have a hyphenated "o" for a light or catchy effect ("laugh-o-meter", the early "cruise-o-matic" automatic transmissions in Fords, "Veg-o-matic", "Box-o-(blaah)"). It's kind of a Fifties/Sixties thing, and words like that have a cuteness quality that sounds cool at first but can wear out its welcome. Eggdog, self-important word snot, at your service
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Post by paul1 on Aug 1, 2023 21:36:37 GMT
............... I'm still pondering ........... 'philyscape' - have we tried 'stampview' - stampart - philatanews - philtext - stamptex - as Will said, "brevity is the soul of wit", so 'stampnews' is too ordinary - 'stamponart' is probably too clumsy - I agree with Eddie re use of the conjunction 'o' or 'a' - so maybe simply 'postart', which if the imagination is stretched will combine implications of 'post journey' plus 'post stamp' plus your art work'.
P.S. I know it sounds rather ordinary, but have we tried 'stampcard' ??
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Post by Linda on Aug 2, 2023 13:56:12 GMT
I feel that -card is not a very ideal suffix because the word 'card' usually denotes something small in scale. Even though it's the case with most of X -- because stamps and cancels are usually small in size, aesthetically the work shouldn't be too large for the whole to 'look good' -- there is no theoretical limitation on the dimensions of X, which can be much larger than a typical 'card'. For the same reason I am thinking of changing the name of the project 'Postkard Art' to something else ... I just feel sorry for salentin who gave my project such a beautiful name years ago.
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Post by paul1 on Aug 2, 2023 20:17:42 GMT
hmmm - I agree that 'card' is mundane - you sense it wasn't coined by one of life's movers and shakers - it lacks chutzpah and is boring in the extreme. Linda - simply choose what really is best for you :-)
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Post by Linda on Aug 7, 2023 13:40:52 GMT
So, 5 out of 10 people had voted for 'philagraph'. I now conclude that this philately-inspired art object is henceforth called a philagraph!
As to the name of the project, I am trying to decide between Philatelic Art and PhilArt ...
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2023 16:33:51 GMT
So, 5 out of 10 people had voted for 'philagraph'. I now conclude that this philately-inspired art object is henceforth called a philagraph! As to the name of the project, I am trying to decide between Philatelic Art and PhilArt ... Linda, I think that PhilArt and Philart are already being used. Daniel
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Post by Linda on Aug 7, 2023 18:06:22 GMT
Then we are left with Philatelic Art!
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Post by angore on Aug 8, 2023 10:00:23 GMT
When I see "X" I know think of social media company formerly known as Twitter.
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Post by Linda on Aug 8, 2023 11:46:24 GMT
I honestly didn't think of Twitter when using 'X' to denote the thing, because it's a common symbol in maths to denote an unknown. I only learned about Twitter's name change after reading people's posts on this forum.
For the name of the project, AI also suggested:
- Philagraphic Chronicles - Philatelic Impressionaries
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Post by paul1 on Aug 8, 2023 13:07:56 GMT
hmmm - 'Chronicles' implies a written text rather than images, and 'Impressionaries' may not be a usable/proper word - how about Impressions. But of course Linda, I salute your linguistic skills - 100% better than mine - I just offer the occasional suggestion:-)
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Post by Linda on Aug 8, 2023 14:22:18 GMT
Hmm... Philagraphic Impression?
These are titles suggested by OpenAI, not my own invention.
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