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Post by unechan on Apr 2, 2019 11:31:27 GMT
Is it really a reply postcard ? According to Sakura there is no such card from 1879. The green 2 Sen postcard is a normal (one-way) postcard, and could be either 1879 (JSCA FC4, thin white paper) or 1892 (JSCA FC8, thick cream paper). Hard to see from the image as the paper tend to turn yellowish by aging, but looks like the latter issue; the difference of the thickness is pretty significant. The red/carmine 3 Sen postcard is indeed a reply part of the reply-paid postcard, and could be either 1885 (JSCA FC6, thin white paper) or 1892 (JSCA FC8, thick cream paper). Same rule applies here for the paper, but at a glance it looks like the former issue... Hope this helps. - Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 2, 2019 12:03:50 GMT
The two 2 Sen foreign post cards mentioned in my former post; the top is 1879 (JSCA FC4, thin white paper) and the bottom is 1892 (JSCA FC8, thick cream paper). You may notice the slight difference in the paper color, but as mentioned, these papers may easily turn yellow/brownish so the best way for distinguishing is to check the paper thickness. The paper of 1879 issue is really thin for a postcard ! The fascinating thing about these 2 Sen foreign postcards are they can bear wide varieties of foreign datestamps. Detailed information of the two postcards; 1879 FC4 : Dispatched from Tokyo to Shanghai. Cancelled with Tokyo Large Bota and Tokyo small circle datestamp (type RSC in "Handbook of Japanese Postmarks", 2008 Edition, JPS), April 8, 1888. Arrival datestamp of Shanghai small circle datestamp (type C-RSC), subtype "P.O. inscription below", April 16 1888. 1892 FC8 : Dispatched from Ryogoku, Tokyo to New York, US. Cancelled with Musashi Tokyo Ryogoku Maru-ichi datestamp (type JBC), November 28, Meiji 26 (1893) and Tokyo double circle datestamp with "MEIJI" year (type RME) of same date, both in brown ink, and also with Yokohama double circle datestamp with "MEIJI" year (type RME) of December 1st, Meiji 26 (1893) in black . Arrival datestamps of New York, December 22, 1893.
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Post by unechan on Apr 5, 2019 12:57:04 GMT
Please allow me to go back a little bit to 1875;
1875 Small Hand Engraved Postal Cards, with Syllabics, 5 Rin (PC7). Issued 1875 (Meiji 8) May 10.
Size greatly reduced from the previous issues (two-folded hand engraved postal cards), printed on thick normal (western) paper. This is due to the success in fabricating thick papers to be used as postal cards, and also to reduce the cost by downsizing and reducing the printing process. The first series (5 Rin PC7 and 1 Sen PC8) have four syllabics (1, 2, 3 and 4: イ,ロ,ハ, ニ) in the value tablet and is less common compared to the later series (5 Rin PC9 and 1 Sen PC10) without syllabics. As the original plates of this postcard is hand engraved, there are significant differences between different plates, but the number of plates used is hitherto unknown (no studies available so far). - Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 5, 2019 13:01:45 GMT
1875 Small Hand Engraved Postal Cards, with Syllabics, 1 Sen (PC8). Issued 1875 (Meiji 8) May 10. Similar to 5 Rin (PC7), in small format on thick normal (western) paper. four syllabics (1, 2, 3 and 4: イ,ロ,ハ, ニ) in the value tablet. The two issues with syllabics have been replaced by the next series, without syllabics on 1875 (Meiji 8) June 12. This short duration makes this series far much more scarce than the next series. Just a few in my collection, so apologies for the rather bad condition. This particular example has a so-called "Ku-tsu-wa" (horse bit) cancellation of Yokohama, which is indeed just a worn form of negative cross cancellation, often found in Yokohama. - Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 5, 2019 23:57:53 GMT
1875 Small Hand Engraved Postal Cards, with Syllabics. Issued 1875 (Meiji 8) May 10.
Close up of the value tablets, showing the location of syllabics. - Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 12, 2019 12:33:47 GMT
1875 Small Hand Engraved Postal Cards, without Syllabics, 5 Rin (PC9). Issued 1875 (Meiji 8) June 12. Almost identical to former 5 Rin postcard (PC7), but without syllabics in the value tablet. Printed on slightly colored western paper, likely to be identical to that of PC7. This postal card seems to override the former PC7, and was commonly used in Tokyo city mails, and you can find many of these bearing negative cross cancellation of Tokyo. -Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 12, 2019 12:39:09 GMT
1875 Small Hand Engraved Postal Cards, without Syllabics, 1 Sen (PC10). Issued 1875 (Meiji 8) June 12. Here again, almost identical to former 1 Sen postcard (PC8), but without syllabics in the value tablet. Printed on thick western paper, likely to be identical to that of PC8. This is the last hand engraved postal stationery in Japan. Lots of plate variations, which is not yet fully understood... The example above has a Negative Symbol/Number cancellation (type JNS) of Kobe (Ne-14, or 子一四) with Kobe double circle type KB1, and arrival/delivery cancel of Osaka double circle cancellation type KB1 (?). -Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Apr 12, 2019 12:48:06 GMT
1875 Small format Hand Engraved Postal Cards: comparison of value tablets
Due to the design difference in the value tablet caused by omitting the syllabics, the former series and latter series of the 1875 small format hand engraved postal cards could be easily distinguished, even if the syllabics are hidden by cancellation and unreadable. Simply look at the spacings between the upper "1" and "SEN"; the early issues (with syllabics) has wide spacings whereas the latter series (without syllabics) has distinctly narrower spacing. Of course, existence of the syllabics is the most evident difference !
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Post by abctoo on Apr 22, 2019 12:25:51 GMT
Here's another one in a style of the Meiji postcards, but extremely crude. Google translate says its inscription 作丈はがき (Saku take hagaki) means "working postcard" or "full-length postcard." Anybody have an idea what it is? I acquired two of these in the 1970s and put them away for further research. Just found them recently. I tried to contact horst.mueller@sanrizuka.com, who, in 2009 at the age of 72, wrote a definitive study of Koban cancels on Meiji Era stamps and postcards, which is available on-line. My e-mail message was returned the message "recipient address unknown." Anybody have an idea? My further search of the internet led me to unechan's posts about Japanese postcards, and that brought me to the Forum in the first place. Here's another one in a style of the Meiji postcards, but extremely crude. Google translate says its inscription 作丈はがき (Saku take hagaki) means "working postcard" or "full-length postcard." Anybody have an idea what it is? I acquired two of these in the 1970s and put them away for further research. Just found them recently. I tried to contact horst.mueller@sanrizuka.com, who, in 2009 at the age of 72, wrote a definitive study of Koban cancels on Meiji Era stamps and postcards, which is available on-line. My e-mail message was returned recipient address unknown. Anybody have an idea?
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Post by abctoo on Apr 28, 2019 21:10:37 GMT
I know my recent post of a Japanese post card does not look much like a Meiji koban postcard. But on second glance, please look at the scan below of the two side-by-side. The designs are quite similar. That suggested it might be some sort of early essay or proof of the koban postcard. Of course, it could also merely be a child's toy sold in a candy shop. I recently relocated it after having set it aside in the 1970s for research. I would sure appreciate the help. Thank you.
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Post by abctoo on May 17, 2019 23:26:45 GMT
Thank you member unechan for giving me the following response about my funny looking card discussed above:
"Hello abctoo, I'm awfully sorry for the belated reply due to my inaccessibility to the forum,
Your interesting example says 作文はがき (Saku Bun Hagaki) which literally means "Writing (practice) postcard". The inscriptions in the oval part (which does resemble the value inscriptions of the early Meiji postcards) say "大日本学校 生徒 小学" (Dai Nippon Gakkou Seito Shogaku), meaning "Imperial Japan School / Student / Elementary School".
So this is a kind of postcard-like template for students for writing postcards and letters used in elementary school. Judging from the design, which as you have mentioned resembles the Koban postcard 1 Sen blue, I reckon this example was used in Meiji era around 1880 to end of 1890.
Thanks for the interesting example, and I hope this might help you."
I misread the inscription as 作丈はがき (Saku Take Hagaki), and read the second character as " 丈 " and not as " 文 " which you correctly indicated. I do appreciate your understanding of the language. I spent days trying to figure out the inscription. Again, thank you.
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Post by Linda on Jun 29, 2023 12:27:48 GMT
Pray forgive me for rescusing this thread from the depth of oblivion to post about something that may not fit with the previous discussion. I noticed that previously forum members have been focused on old Japanese postcards that have been sent through the mail, but I am going to talk about a recent series of commercialised postcards that haven't been sent yet (but that will be sent shortly) -- so no stamp or postmark on them, not even any marking. I guess the Admin(s) will let me know if my post is inapproproate here. My latest wonderful philatelic discovery was the A-bombed Trees' story thanks to this year's G7 stamps issued in Japan, one of them exceptionally shows a single tree (Hiroshima's official tree: the camphor tree). From there I learn about a project, named ‘ Green Greetings’ (Japanese: 緑の伝言) that was founded in 2005 by two local newspaper publishers. Ever year on the 6th of August for the past 17 years, their morning editions would include key visuals serving to promote this project. Now these 17 key visuals have been printed in postcards that are available for purchase. A few days ago, I finally received these A-bombed Tree postcards! These cards reproduce the 17 illustrations are the key visuals published in the newspaper on the 6th of August since 2005. If you go to the project’s English site, scroll down to the ‘Project Archive’ at the bottom, you will see all the 17 key visuals. The latter ones even have English translation. I will briefly introduce these 17 designs: 2005: An A-bombed Tree map marks the starting of this project. 2006: This illustrations shows the leaves of the tree species that make up the A-bombed tree population. 2007: Images of A-bombed Trees arrange as a sheet of stamps. 2008: For this illustration, the leaves on the tree take the shape of envelope carrying messages. The leaves are like the tree’s letters that desire to be read by people around the world. The trunk of the tree is damaged due to exposure to radiation. 2009: This one focuses on the second generation of A-bombed Trees that have been brought to other places/countries. 2010: A tree once acted as the barrier to prevent the spread of the fire for a building that was destroyed in the bombing. In 1993 when it't time to rebuild the building, architect came up with a design to incorporate the surviving tree into the building with staircases going around the tree. 2011: The remain of the museum building next to this surviving tree (which only resprouted 5 years later) had protected it from being completely destroyed in the bombing. Since them, both have continued to take root in each other's company to witness the city's recovery. 2012: Camphor tree makes up the largest A-bombed Tee population. It has become a symbol of hope for the city dwellers who in 1973 voted it to be the official tree of Hiroshima. 2013: A-bombed Tree No.7, an eucalyptus whose survival that has encouraged many people including Keiji Nakazawa, manga-artist and author of Barefoot Gen. 2014: An average sakura tree is said to live between 60 to 80 years. This surviving sakura standing by a school’s entrance has lived, since the bombing of 1945, over 60 years. Students helped to carry its descendents to the rest of the country. [From this year onward English translation is provided in the project archives.] 2015: The illustration shows selected A-bombed Trees around the hypocentre (one of them in white/pink is a sakura). Today, second and even thrid generation of the A-bombed Trees' saplings have been sent to and are now growing in different parts of the world. 2016: Many A-bombed Trees have recovered but with the side effect of bending towards the hypocentre. Because the side of their trunks that was most affected by the bombing grew more slowly than the rest of the trunk. 2017: A-bombed Tree No.22, a plane tree (Platanus) in a school yard. Its trunk has a hole which is the aftermath of the bombing. This project also aims at providing arboristic care required for these surviving trees that all have damages to their bodies to live longer. 2018: A-bombed Tree No.1, the weeping willow that is the closest tree to the hypcentre. Notice that it bends towards the direction of the hypocentre. 2019: The project has set up Google Map and an app to facilitate visitors going on am A-bombed Tree Tour. 2020: When it was time to build the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Park, the plan was intentionally designed to set a massive A-bombed Tree at a straight line linking the Cenotaph and the A-bomb Dome. The tree is the tallest A-bombed tree that had stood at the same spot before 1945 against the ravages of time. 2021: These 12 A-bombed Trees were planted around a temple's pond before 1945. Today, they stand still despite the drastic change in their surrounding.
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Post by Linda on Jun 29, 2023 20:35:40 GMT
Oops, my apologies, I thought 'postal card' was a postcard that had been mailed (therefore stamped and postmarked), but it turns out to be something different. It has to be issued by the authority with pre-printed postage? Japan offers quite a large quantity of these items; I saw plenty of them at convenience stores while cycling across Japan. Here is a set of 5 (minus two that I recently used to create maxicards) such cards paying tribute to Ultraman, one of Japan's first VFX superheros: [The 'image' side] [The 'address' side] From what I have observed on the Japanese pop-culture collectible market, the image side of such official cards almost always leaves a lot of white space. Can someone explain why this is the case? Please see the next example. __________ P.S. Here are the other 2 postal cards from the same series of 5.
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Post by Linda on Jun 29, 2023 20:48:17 GMT
I recently acquired these items that feature Miyajima's speciality -- しゃもじ (Syamoji) -- to be matched with one of the G7 Summit stamps. [Image side.] [Address side. Left: the name of the person sending New Year greetings and his/her address. Right: empty.] [Wooden shaped 'postcard' with the mention of 郵便は「が」き.] Are the paper version and the wooden version the same thing? (Barren the difference in ' はかき' and 'はがき', one of which I believe is an older appelation.) None of them has printed postage though. dorincard -- Can these items be used to create (traditional) maxicards?
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 29, 2023 21:26:22 GMT
Oops, my apologies, I thought 'postal card' was a postcard that had been mailed (therefore stamped and postmarked), but it turns out to be something different. It has to be issued by the authority with pre-printed postage? ... From what I have observed on the Japanese pop-culture collectible market, the image side of such official cards almost always leaves a lot of white space. Can someone explain why this is the case? (1) Yes. I'm pretty sure I have this correct (although, as I get older, who knows ...): it's issued by the postal authority with pre-printed postage. At least, that's the general definition, but there may be exceptions to that. (2) My assumption is that the white space is for any message that the sender would write to the recipient. The other side pretty much has to be reserved for the name and address of the recipient.
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Post by dorincard on Jun 30, 2023 12:48:25 GMT
@linda, only the rectangular paper postcards are "approved" by traditional maximaphily.
Many postal administrations prefer only that format for processing postcards in the mailstream.
But you can mail some unusual formats and materials. The Post will (grudgingly?) deliver.
I created some maxicards with whatever suited my fancy, and some of them are potentially mailable as postcards. Or they have already been mailed, unusual as they are.
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Post by Linda on Jun 30, 2023 12:54:06 GMT
dorincard I also meant to ask if a 'postal card' can be turned into an approved traditional maxicard. Insofar as I understand, a postal card doesn't need to have a picture, even though many contemporary ones do. For the two rectangular paper cards -- the one on the right has an entirely empty address side. Not even an inscription of 'Postal Card / Postcard'. Is this considered a valid maxicard support?
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Post by dorincard on Jun 30, 2023 13:03:21 GMT
Linda,
A modern postal card does not have an image big enough to satisfy the maximaphily purists. They prefer picture postcards.
Your blank back postcard is OK, especially since it was "commercially available" as a "postcard".
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Post by daniel on Jul 1, 2023 19:05:52 GMT
A Picture Postcard marking the Triumphant Military Review of 1906 by the Meiji Emperor. The date in the centre of the special postmark is shown as 39-4-30 which reads as 30th April in the Meiji year 39, that is, 1906. The Review took place after Japan's victory in the Japanese-Russian War which was concluded by the Treaty of Portsmouth on 5th September 1905. The pictorial side of the card depicts the leadership of the Japanese Army at Mukden near where the decisive battle took place. It depicts, left to right, General Kuroki Tamemoto, General Nozu Michitsura, Commanding General Yamagata Aritomo, Field Marshal Ōyama Iwao, General Oku Yasukata, General Nogi Maresuke, Chief of General Staff Kodama Gentarō and General Kawamura Kageaki.
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Post by Linda on Sept 14, 2023 10:25:00 GMT
Postal cards of Doraemon issued by Japan Post (set of 5). [The address side with printed postage]
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Post by daniel on Mar 23, 2024 3:52:28 GMT
Another Lottery item This postcard is from 1956 and is explained by seigaku above. Shown front and back.
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Post by philatelia on Jun 17, 2024 12:08:19 GMT
Found in the back of a small lot of Japan Revenues. Usage a mystery to me.
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Post by Hugh on Aug 25, 2024 13:11:46 GMT
I picked up a couple of Japanese letter cards that intrigue me ... and I'm looking for insight. What 'appears' to be the case is that the writer used a steel stylus (without ink) to write on the back of a postal card. Presumably, the lack of contrast, would make it hard to read. The recipient then used a roller, with ink, to cover the back of the card and make the 'secret' writing appear ... at least well enough to be read. I talked to two dealers about this yesterday. One suggested is was a form of writing to hide the message from parents or other people (postal workers, housemates). The other suggested that while it might do that, it was also just 'fun' to turn the card into an artistic or 'crafty' activity. Here are two examples ... has anyone seen this before? The first one is fairly clear.
This second one ... it looks like there is also writing, on top of the blacking.
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Post by jintan on Oct 23, 2024 21:31:44 GMT
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Post by Hugh on Oct 23, 2024 22:31:16 GMT
jintan ... I've been reading your blog this evening. Very nicely done ... thanks for sharing your wonderful examples of Meiji-era postal stationary. And, yes, I had just noticed your 1890 example of the 'black' card to Yoshihiko Maelda. I just got back to the forum to write you about it and see that you beat me to it (smile). I haven't found much about them and your post was the first other example I've found. I'm excited by the date ... that pushes this practice back to the late 19thC. All we have to do now is get some more information about why people did it and how widespread it was. Here are a few other other examples. I'd welcome your thoughts.
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Post by jintan on Oct 24, 2024 1:51:38 GMT
Since your cards are from Meiji, Taisho, and Showa, I am sure people practiced this sort of stuff for many years. These cards are uncommon. The only reason I can think of people doing it was for a bit of privacy, making the reading more difficult for postal employees. Of course, they could still read them, but more effort was needed.
I say that on the presumption of the sender doing the blackening, and using a hard pencil to write the text. I say this, as I can see a bit of graphite on your post dated Aug 25, 2024...see the top of your second photo, slightly left of center. But then, there may be another type as you suggester, where the recipient did the blackening.
If that is the case, perhaps we can start cataloging them as Type I and Type II. And even assign sub-types? You got me interested.
Is this the correct way to reply to a post? Or do I click some link? What is the diff. between "post quick reply" and "reply"?
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Post by Hugh on Oct 24, 2024 11:44:37 GMT
jintan ... I bought a bunch of these 'blackened' cards from a dealer at the BNAPS show this summer. He wasn't sure about them either and hadn't seen them before. We speculated that they were either a way to make it harder for the casual reader to read them (privacy) or an artistic or 'crafty' way to send messages using a form of 'invisible' secret writing (probably for fun among friends). In the second case, that would assume that the writing was inscribed with a hard edge into the cardboard and only became visible when 'blackened' by the recipient. One of the ones I bought (posted earlier) might have been like that but on closer examination, most of the rest were obviously written 'over' a blackened card with graphite or black ink. So, possibly more often used less as 'secret' writing and more as 'artistic' writing. I needed more examples. That's why I was so interested in the example you posted in your blog about an artist doing it. 'Art' indeed. I found one more example in my Japanese accumulation this morning. This one is an unused postal card ... it has already been blackened. I wonder if the buyer bought it that way from a third party or blackened it himself? You can tell it wasn't sold that way by the postal authorities since the blackening is a bit sloppy around the edges and there is a blob of it on the front. In any event, he or she never got around to using it. I'll keep my eyes open for more of these and then maybe we can learn more about how they are used. If you find any other example, please let me know. If we get enough examples or learn more from other sources, your excellent suggestion of creating a Type I and a Type II sorting will be very useful. Cheers,
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Post by jintan on Oct 24, 2024 17:16:37 GMT
Wow! That unused card is wild. This is proof that blackening was done before writing message. So, we can call that Type I. Now we need to find Type II, where black was added over the text. Is that even possible? I would think blackening will pretty much cover the text, whether it is graphite or the impressions made using any form of stylus. Any thoughts? Here is a partial blackened card with graphite over "sumi" ink. It was sent by Okamoto Naotaro of Osaka dated March 9, 1891 and addressed to Toyama (Tomiyama) Shibato (Shibahito) in Kobe. No idea what the message says, and was found about the sender, 岡本直太朗. I uploaded another interesting card on my blog just now: maeda-yoshihiko.blogspot.com/2024/10/23820.html
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Post by Ryan on Oct 25, 2024 6:25:38 GMT
Is this the correct way to reply to a post? Or do I click some link? What is the diff. between "post quick reply" and "reply"? The "Quick Reply" box has very limited capabilities - in general, you can only make a text post (unless you were to manually embed BBCode within the text, I suppose). The "Reply" button allows you to add images, URL links, videos, etc. to your reply. Furthermore, there is a "Quote" button available on each post already made - this allows you to quote a particular message you are replying to, which is useful if you are answering a post which is not the most recent in the thread (it also pings the person to whom you are replying). It's considered good form to edit your quote down (as I have done in this reply) rather than including the entire post, if possible - this keeps the thread display shorter. (**Edit - and I see from your most recent posts in your New Member Introduction thread that you've already figured out the quote usage!) You'll notice that I have used moderator powers to edit your most recent post to contain your image with the blackened card, moved over from another post you had made elsewhere. If you have any images to add to your posts, you'll want to use either the "Reply" button or the "Quote" button to show the menu icons that give you the ability to add those image links. Ryan (kind of half of a moderator, getting involved with some stuff but mostly I'm just a member rather than a big-time boss man!)
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Post by jintan on Oct 26, 2024 16:56:05 GMT
Is this the correct way to reply to a post? Or do I click some link? What is the diff. between "post quick reply" and "reply"? The "Quick Reply" box has very limited capabilities - Got it, thanks!
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