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Post by nick2302 on Apr 15, 2024 14:19:24 GMT
I have stamps from Ireland (EIRE) on paper. My question is can these be soaked off in water? Or do they need to be left on paper like modern US? I sure would appreciate any help with this issue.
Thanks everyone.
Nick
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 15, 2024 15:31:07 GMT
nick2302Thanks for your post. As you have not uploaded an image of the stamps in question, we can only guess that when you state "fairly modern," you are most likely referring to self-adhesive stamps? If so, I was able to find this thread in another online stamp community, which does have some images of stamps of Ireland: stampbears.net/thread/5739/when-soak-stampsIt appears that at least some Ireland self-adhesives are not water soakable, similar to US self-adhesives. Our most knowledgeable member on Ireland on TSF is probably Terri ( philatelia), so I will tag her, but she is currently having health issues, so I don't know if she will be able to respond quickly. I will also tag khj, who is the leader of the other stamp community, in case he can offer further advice. Hope this helps a little.
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Post by khj on Apr 15, 2024 18:43:40 GMT
Partial quote from one of Terri's posts from over 3 years ago on TSF (full post can be found in the thread S.O.S - Save or Soak?): For the countries that I collect, most can soak except for USA after 41c era, recent Sweden, some recent Denmark and a few Finland issues and Ireland starting with 55p issues... I don't accept any self adhesive Ireland now - I have too many for one thing and I get too many from people who try to take them off and damage them. The Irish "Stamps on a Roll" are not easily soaked off. For US collectors not familiar, SOAR is similar to our computer vended self-adhesive postage. They sort of look like rectangular labels with a design and value/encoding. Sorry to hear philatelia is not feeling well, praying for her recovery! |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 15, 2024 21:22:18 GMT
Ireland SOAR (Stamps on a roll) Ideal example of identifying one's personal ability to jump the difficult journey, to begin to collect adhered postage stamps. After several failed attempts to remove paper backing, one has to bite the bullet and clip around the stamp. Stamps on a roll Mint as issued (Not Mine)  My stamps, left on piece and digitally cropped near to borders.  |
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Post by nick2302 on Apr 16, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
Thank you everyone for the info. I have decided rather than take a chance I will not soak any Irish stamp with a postal value of 55 Cents or greater.
On another topic I am sorry to hear that philatelia is not feeling well. I will pray for a quick recovery. I know how rough it is to not feeling great. I have been in the hospital twice for surgery. No fun that is for sure. Really slowed me down with my stamp collecting.
Nick
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Post by philatelia on Apr 16, 2024 12:48:01 GMT
Hi all - feeling a bit better but it’s episodic. Getting a slight reprieve this morning, but can’t move my head too much
SOARS do not soak. I’ve seen a few removed by chemicals but they look faded and very few people manage to get a good result. They are generally collected on piece. The unsoakable Ireland started with a few flower definitives. As far as I know all recent self adhesives do NOT soak. Again, just leave them on piece. Look at it this way - the mint self adhesives MUST be left on their backing, so best to acceopt that used copies will mirror them
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 19, 2024 17:23:38 GMT
Greetings, all: rod222, khj, and philatelianick2302 has now provided an image. These do not look like the SOAR types that have been described. Any comments to make about these?  |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 19, 2024 17:40:32 GMT
Greetings, all: rod222 , khj , and philatelia nick2302 has now provided an image. These do not look like the SOAR types that have been described. Any comments to make about these? Certainly, with some. The "Goldcrest" stamp, has a familiar knife cut (die cut) that identifies it as being produced in Australia (Printec?) These are (or can be) soakable , ie left in water for some time (10 mins?) the stamp face separates with white mucusey glue the remaining stamp paper is very thin. I personally do not like it, the success rate is haphazard, as is with using bestine ("Undo") I clip around all mine now and leave a 2-3mm edge around the perfs. It is not ideal, but perhaps "best practice" The other knife shapes, I have no opinion. (ex: The Clown) I can post Aussie Printed knife shapes tomorrow. |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 19, 2024 18:25:59 GMT
These are the Aussie knife shapes, when printing some Ireland issues (PEMARA) My best guess, is they were water release, up until (at least) 2005, after that unknown. Your colleague is going to have to "trial and error" The stamps shown, peeled off in water     |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 19, 2024 18:43:58 GMT
Since 1984, An Post has issued all Irish postage stamps. Most have been printed by Irish Security Stamp Printing Ltd., though a small number were printed by Harrison and Sons Ltd., (London), Questa, Walsall Security Printing, Prinset Pty Ltd., (Australia) and SNP Cambec (Sprintpak) (Australia). SNP = Singapore National Printers  |
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Post by nick2302 on Apr 19, 2024 21:19:20 GMT
 Somehow by some magic the url turns into a picture but I am totally not sure how that happens. Nick |
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Post by nick2302 on May 18, 2024 23:10:46 GMT
I have kept all the unmounted Irish stamps that I had in my box of stamps to be added to my collection on paper. It is not worth messing a stamp up just so you think you are doing something good by removing the paper they were mounted on. Consider that, at least in my case, I mount trimmed paper and stamp in Showgard mounts then add them to my collection. That should preserve not only the stamp but the paper the stamp is stuck to. It much less of a headache with bowl's of water and sheet of drying paper and then the stamps look "tired". That is what I have seen of stamps that have done their job and are now destined for my collection that have not gone for a swim in water. If somehow, I get a MNH stamp I can always replace the stamp on paper.
Nick
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