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Post by rod222 on Aug 29, 2014 11:46:44 GMT
Burma: Under Japanese Occupation 1943 
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Post by rod222 on Aug 29, 2014 11:48:00 GMT
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Post by classicalstamps on Aug 29, 2014 12:47:00 GMT
The "Peacock" overprints of this country are a minefield of forgeries. If you have some in your collection, assume they are forgeries unless certified by a trustworthy authority. Unfortunately, I don't have any high resolution images for comparison: stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-burma/ |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 29, 2014 17:27:21 GMT
The "Peacock" overprints of this country are a minefield of forgeries. If you have some in your collection, assume they are forgeries unless certified by a trustworthy authority. Unfortunately, I don't have any high resolution images for comparison: stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-burma/Never had one in my possession. I did see a beautiful 2 frame exhibit, at the University of Western Australia about 5 years ago. Lovely stuff. Highlights my pet peeve. The exhibitor did not pass on any knowledge as information sheets that accompany exhibits doesn't seem to be a part of philately. Exponet is one route. |
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Post by Hugh on Jul 6, 2024 20:14:35 GMT
BURMA 1943 - Japanese Occupation These are triplets as I have the series in a Scott Album and the others, MNH-VF, in my WWII Good CV - Is there interest in these, M LH - from a 1960s book ? René if more than 1, I will do a draw
I know someone will gooble them up. Very generous of you.
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Post by renden on Jul 12, 2024 17:37:21 GMT
Ordered on Hipstamp some more BURMA Japanese Occ: 2N41 used; 2N51 used; 2N53 used; 2N54 used; 2N59 pair MNH; 2N63 pair MNH and 2N54 MNHpair - These will help fill spaces and at a very nice price - if you look at the Scott Specialized CVs.
René
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Post by paul1 on Jul 12, 2024 18:08:36 GMT
Rene - is it better to buy unused, or used with these Burmese issues?
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Post by renden on Jul 12, 2024 19:47:45 GMT
Rene - is it better to buy unused, or used with these Burmese issues? If you look at the catalog's CV, some are higher used, some Mint NH - I guess my search on Hipstamp was to find the best deal for a mix of used and MNH. For the stamps per se, it is a personal choice, I think, Paul René |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 12, 2024 20:30:24 GMT
appreciate your guidance Rene - many thanks and will work along the lines you suggest.
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 14:04:23 GMT
Perhaps a little surprised to find these this morning - I rarely come across Burma/Japanese Occupation, though they're very welcome of course - if anyone (Rene ?) would care to comment that would be kind indeed. Apologies of course that I've left the Pre WW II George V in situ on the page - ignore them as they've nothing to do with 'occupation' stamps  |
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Post by renden on Jul 13, 2024 14:22:45 GMT
Perhaps a little surprised to find these this morning - I rarely come across Burma/Japanese Occupation, though they're very welcome of course - if anyone (Rene ?) would care to comment that would be kind indeed. Apologies of course that I've left the Pre WW II George V in situ on the page - ignore them as they've nothing to do with 'occupation' stamps Nice, Paul, A mix of regulars which I have - pre WWII ( a few), Officials and Japan Occupation (do not have the upper row, except 1)- will have more wen my order arrives - René |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 14:54:59 GMT
thanks Rene - agree, they're a good find and v. welcome. Considering their age they remain bright and clean - am now hooked on these things, must try and find some more:-)
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Hugh
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Post by Hugh on Jul 13, 2024 14:59:05 GMT
Perhaps a little surprised to find these this morning - I rarely come across Burma/Japanese Occupation, though they're very welcome of course - if anyone (Rene ?) would care to comment that would be kind indeed. Apologies of course that I've left the Pre WW II George V in situ on the page - ignore them as they've nothing to do with 'occupation' stamps Nice ... the ones on the top row were issued in March 1943. I'm sure you have a catalogue ... but if not, they're 2N31, 2N32 (with the big 'C') and 2N35, 2N36, 2N37 (with the small 'c'). You're only missing the 1c and the 10c for the full set. And, of course (smile) they're the most expensive. Having said that, the CV for the two missing items is only about $5-7. The the first five items on the bottom row (from the left) appears to be dups of the set that you recently got from René ... plus the 30c (2N48). They were issued on October 1, 1943. At this point it looks like you're only missing the 1c. Cool. The last two on the bottom row are 2N62 and 2N64 (November 1, 1944). The surcharge was printed on 2N55 and 2N57 (October 1, 1943). According to Scott the top line is 'Burma State' and the line under that is the surcharge. My understanding is that they were the last of the Japanese occupation stamps in Burma. Cheers, |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 15:34:39 GMT
thanks Hugh - I couldn't have asked for better information than that - much appreciated indeed. As for the 'Farmer' issues (top row), having now looked in my SG catalogue, I could be wrong but it appears I'm missing the 1c., 5c and 10c. As for the 'Burmese Woman', it seems I'm missing the 1c. and 3c. - and for the 'Elephant Carrying Log' looks like I'm short of the 15c. only. For the 'Shan Woman', I appear to be short of just the 20c. carmine - and lastly I don't seem to have either of the two 'Watch Tower, Mandalay' issues, or the four values of the 'Bullock Cart'. So, a little way to go yet:-) I do have an SG catalogue for Burma and the Occupation period - these things are listed as J numbers. thanks again, really helpful as I'd not looked in the book prior to your comments. P.S. Of course, you are correct insofar as Rene's giveaway will help me a lot.
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Post by rod222 on Jul 13, 2024 16:16:05 GMT
NOTE: Values stated for the cents characters (Large and small) are in error, and should be transposed..apologies
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2024 18:11:42 GMT
thanks rod222 - think the business about the currency 'c' might be the reverse of your suggestion? Looking at the stamps from this morning, it seems the higher values are lower case and the lower values upper case - for reasons I've not the slightest idea :-)
Looking at the SG catalogue for these issues, the authors write, in connection with 'The Farmer' as follows:- ........... ""The 1c., 2c. and 3c. have large 'C' in value as illustrated. The 10c. and higher values have small 'c'. Nos. J 73/J81 had the face values inserted individually into the plate used for No. J46 with the original face value removed. There were a number of printings for each value, often showing differences such as missing stops, various founts of figures or 'c' etc., in the value tablets. The face value error, No. J74a, was later corrected.""
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Post by rod222 on Jul 14, 2024 1:46:54 GMT
thanks rod222 - think the business about the currency 'c' might be the reverse of your suggestion? Looking at the stamps from this morning, it seems the higher values are lower case and the lower values upper case - for reasons I've not the slightest idea :-) Hi Paul Yikes! You are correct ! I have made a correction note above my image, thanks for the correction.  Catalogue of Imperial Japanese Overprints and Issues
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Post by paul1 on Jul 14, 2024 7:19:55 GMT
thanks rod222 - that's a very interesting catalogue page - thanks for sharing. It seems to remain a mystery as to quite why this difference between lower and upper case for the 'c' should exist - however, will offer my rather personal take on the matter ..................... it appears that the 'value box' for all stamps in this 'Farmer' set are the same size. Obviously this means that single digit values allow for more room in the box than double digit values - thus the latter benefit from lower case 'c', which takes up less space. Not necessarily true but plausible:-)
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Post by salentin on Jul 14, 2024 9:48:54 GMT
Some time ago I showed some stamps of the japanese occopation of Burma within the thread "Burma:stamps". If interested,have a look there.
From those issues I like most the "plowing farmer set",issued in March 1943 (Michel 78-85,Scott 2N30-2N37,S.G. J73-J83, Sakura 2B40-2B48). It might be hard to find two stamps,what are exactly alike.Michel just notes dryly: many printing-accidentalnesses ! In the following posts I´ll show my units:
Michel 1a : orange
Michel 1b : brown-orange
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Post by paul1 on Jul 14, 2024 11:05:38 GMT
thanks for posting - most of these 'Occupation' stamps have a very naive appearance - almost look as if they've been printed using a wood block process - the SG catalogue says .............. "Des. T. Kato ... Typo Rangoon Gazette Press."
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Post by rod222 on Jul 14, 2024 20:14:53 GMT
wiki In 1942, Japan invaded Burma and, on 1 August 1943, nominally declared the colony independent as the State of Burma. A pro-Japanese government led by Ba Maw was installed. However, many Burmese began to believe the Japanese had no intention of giving them real independence. Burma State Government
"Crest Issue"
Issued February 15th 1943
Unwatermarked
31mm square
No Gum as issued
Rough perf 11 and Imperforate
Printed on thick white wove paper.
This issue has a solid red background.
The top half has a design incorporating the crossed sword and spear and helmet of the fabulous Burmese Warrior King,
MAHA BANDOOLA.
Bottom half is divided into two panels vertically.
One panel contains the Burmese for "Burma State Government."
The other half has the value—5 cts.
This stamp was not on sale loose but affixed to postal covers
embossed with the King's Head. It covered the head entirely.
Reported printing :—100,000
1 5c. "Crest Issue" (perf.) . . £3 (Pricing 1946)
2 5c. „ „ (imperf.) . £3/10
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Post by salentin on Jul 15, 2024 7:44:55 GMT
Michel no.2a yellow-green
Michel no.2b blue-green
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Post by salentin on Jul 17, 2024 8:52:07 GMT
One Michel-no. only
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Post by salentin on Jul 18, 2024 8:50:47 GMT
The 5 Cents - value is the only of the set,what was printed with a large C. like 1,2,3 C. and as well with a small C.,like 10,15,20,30 C.
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Post by salentin on Jul 19, 2024 12:04:40 GMT
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Post by JeffS on Jul 19, 2024 13:21:04 GMT
This has been an interesting thread to follow.
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Post by salentin on Jul 20, 2024 11:18:30 GMT
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Post by salentin on Jul 21, 2024 9:27:19 GMT
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Post by salentin on Jul 22, 2024 12:05:23 GMT
That concludes this set.
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