skid
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Post by skid on Jun 24, 2022 3:02:56 GMT
Hi everyone, I finally got my 1955 Helio-Vaugirard fish essays framed after many years. Cheap Amazon frames just the right size and look good. This includes the New Zealand 1935-6 5d Striped Marlin.   |
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 26, 2022 18:49:35 GMT
Another arrival in today's mail was this group of the 1909-12 Edward VII stamps.These will help me upgrade most of what I already had to mint as well as provide some of the known varieties.  |
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DK
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Post by DK on Jul 29, 2022 23:51:03 GMT
They seem a nice lot there hdm1950Nice one. Do you now have a complete set of these KEVII ones? Would be nice to see the set here :-) NB Not many things to look out for with these ones. A couple of perf varieties, an odd watermark variety but otherwise not a lot to them. Attractive colors though. Dave |
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 30, 2022 0:30:06 GMT
As requested DK Dave here is what I have of the Edward VII set with the mint items added this week. I do have one of each value now with several still being used. Once I had them all together I did see some obvious shade varieties so very few went into the duplicate book. I have not taken the time to check for the known perf varieties at this point.  They share a page in my old school album with the George V set. Both sets have lovely colours. I have not focused on my New Zealand collection the past 15 years or so. Here is the full page.  |
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 16, 2022 0:30:43 GMT
There were many beautiful Queen Elizabeth II stamps issued around the time of her coronation. This New Zealand set has always been one of my favourite. The tall high values are especially nice.  |
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Aug 20, 2022 21:09:27 GMT
Can someone confirm the identity of the two larger citrus on this stamp as Pomelo or Citrus Maxima as sometimes called and Orange. Can the orange be identified any more precisely. I am catalogless in this area and online has produced nothing. Jeff
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Aug 20, 2022 21:55:50 GMT
JeffS , this link should help you. I find this site useful as a good way to identify NZ stamps easily: 1982 definitivesScroll down to see them identified as a tangelo, grapefruit and lemon
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Aug 21, 2022 17:54:02 GMT
darkormex Thank you I appreciate your taking the time to look. I have to disagree with that publisher's ID of this orange fruit being a tangelo which has a distinctive shape. Plus this is flatter, more like a mandarin or related. Pic of tangelo: 
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Aug 21, 2022 20:23:41 GMT
JeffS , here is another link to NZ Post's own issue description of the stamp series: 1983 Definitives - Fruit - NZ PostI am just the messenger but here, as well, it is described as a tangelo. The description states, "Citrus fruit appeared on the 20c stamp - a tangelo, grapefruit and lemon. The tangelo's name is derived form two fruits - the tangerine and the pumelo - and probably originated in China and South Eastern Asia about 4,000 years ago. Grown throughout Northland, Bay of Plenty and the North Island's East Coast, the seminole tangleo is a tart-sweet fruit which grows in consistently heavy crops."
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Aug 22, 2022 2:41:11 GMT
darkormex I stand corrected on my comments about the tangelo on the NZ stamp. I had tunnel vision regarding this fruit mistakenly thinking that all tangelos featured the prominent neck. I was wrong.
The fruit shown is apparently a variety known as a Seminole Tangelo, and according to Mr Wiki:
"The seminole is a hybrid between a 'Bowen' grapefruit and a 'Dancy' tangerine. It is deep red-orange in color and oblate in shape with a thin and firm peel, and is not necked. It has 11-13 juicy segments and a pleasant, subacid flavor. It has 20-25 small seeds.
Thank you very much for your persistence  Jeff
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Aug 22, 2022 3:16:04 GMT
Who knew there were so many varieties of oranges in the world! It seems like apples get all the media hype and there are at least one or two documentaries that I have seen tracing the origins of the apple to central Asia. It seems however, that someone should be looking at the humble orange in all of it's varieties. It seems to have had at least as interesting an origin story.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Aug 22, 2022 21:41:40 GMT
New Zealand citrus stamps are not plentiful.
I picked this block up to help anchor a page. Kinda pretty.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 14, 2022 20:51:46 GMT
As seems to happen often I was recently bidding on some Canadian stamps and happened to see these handsome 1960 New Zealand Health Tax blocks so I left a bid on them as well. The auction closed with no Canada stamps coming my way but these guys arrived in the mail today.  |
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Post by gstamps on Sept 15, 2022 13:00:13 GMT
The orientation of the watermark often represents a variety with added value. Is this also the case with this series of Scott 218 – 222 stamps which have a watermark lying sideways?   |
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 15, 2022 14:02:21 GMT
The orientation of the watermark often represents a variety with added value. Is this also the case with this series of Scott 218 – 222 stamps which have a watermark lying sideways? |
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Post by gstamps on Sept 15, 2022 15:02:59 GMT
Thank you brightonpete However, I don't understand...in Scott watermark is 61.  The position of the stamp in the printing sheet (vertical or horizontal), I did not know that it influences how I place the stamp when I want to identify the watermark. To show that it is wmk 61, the stamp should be in this position.  It doesn't seem logical to me...or am I wrong somehow? |
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Post by daniel on Sept 15, 2022 15:46:43 GMT
gstamps , in Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps, the watermark is stated as being sideways for this set. Colnect (and Scott?) is in error in showing the watermark as being upright. Daniel
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Post by gstamps on Sept 15, 2022 17:34:10 GMT
Thank you danielAll catalogs have mistakes. Including Michel, who I think is the most accurate and complete in information. George |
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Post by nbstamper on Sept 17, 2022 0:43:23 GMT
The Campbell Paterson NZ specialized catalogue does not indicate any watermark varieties for this set.
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Post by gstamps on Sept 17, 2022 18:24:01 GMT
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Oct 16, 2023 3:19:00 GMT
Hi. I'm curious about the 1970 - 76 New Zealand definitive issues. The ones where the low values are butterflies/moths and fish.
I notice Scott and Gibbons both list two sets, the first issued in 1970 and again in 1973. It looks like the main difference is the earlier stamps were printed on watermarked paper, while the second issue is on unwatermarked paper.
I'm curious if there is more to the story. Did New Zealand post change printers, for example? A major event that I would've missed due to being eight years old at the time and Canadian? I tend to collect NZ in a simplified form, but might be swayed to dig deeper with this set.
I only have access to the Scott catalogue and what I can find online - I notice two sets of Stanley Gibbons numbers via colnect, but I don't know if more is described in the SG catalogue.
Thanks for any insights you might provide!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 16, 2023 6:53:03 GMT
Hi. I'm curious about the 1970 - 76 New Zealand definitive issues. The ones where the low values are butterflies/moths and fish. I notice Scott and Gibbons both list two sets, the first issued in 1970 and again in 1973. It looks like the main difference is the earlier stamps were printed on watermarked paper, while the second issue is on unwatermarked paper. I'm curious if there is more to the story. Did New Zealand post change printers, for example? A major event that I would've missed due to being eight years old at the time and Canadian? I tend to collect NZ in a simplified form, but might be swayed to dig deeper with this set. I only have access to the Scott catalogue and what I can find online - I notice two sets of Stanley Gibbons numbers via colnect, but I don't know if more is described in the SG catalogue. Thanks for any insights you might provide! These two sets are a dog's breakfast, No mention of any new printer in my specialists catalogue. To specialise, you'll probably need Gibbons specialised and make up your listings in a spreadsheet of varieties Eg the 1971 set the 23c to $2 are unwatermarked the 1971 set (text by Gibbons reads 12th March 1971 to 1976) in the 1971 set the 25c and 30c are shown in perf 14 guage (1976?) Although a definitive set, the 10c was released for the Royal Visit. Yes, a headache to any, excepting the strident enthusiast If mint you desire, the 1976 set is going to cost you a King's ransom Photo. Harrison 0.5c to 20c Enschede 23c 50c Courvousier $1 $2 Bradbury Wilkinson Litho 25c 30c Some of this series featured Graphic Art, generally felt as unappealing (designer M. Cleverley) and Tahr on a snow covered peak? (30c) Part source : All the stamps of NZ : Laurie Franks (1977) |
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DK
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Post by DK on Oct 16, 2023 7:47:07 GMT
Hi. I'm curious about the 1970 - 76 New Zealand definitive issues. The ones where the low values are butterflies/moths and fish. A picture always helps those who are new to these :  I shall take a look at my CP catalog tomorrow for you. I do know that you are correct in saying that there was a watermarked paper used for the first few years before they used unwatermarked paper. There are numerous errors and varieties, missing colors etc with this set and they do seem popular to collect. I personally have not studied them much so cannot comment further until I take a look at my 2023 CP. Dave |
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Post by DK on Oct 16, 2023 22:16:18 GMT
Here is an example of a missing color on these ones : Missing 'light green' on the 4d moth  Dave |
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Oct 16, 2023 22:43:56 GMT
Thanks DK and rod222. I appreciate the information. This set sounds similar to some of the modern Canadian definitive sets. Easy to collect in a simplified manner but easy to get lost within as well. |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 16, 2023 23:26:35 GMT
madbaker I may have done you an injustice, if you are collecting just to the 8c definitive, then perhaps no biggie just collect the watermarked and the unwatermarked, if the watermarks are easily identified. (I was just thinking of Bermuda, similarity, dashed if I could identify watermarks on their definitives, and gave up )
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DK
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Post by DK on Oct 16, 2023 23:56:03 GMT
As per my promise to look at my CP re these : here are some screenshots of the first few pages about them :     I hope this helps you in some way. Dave |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 17, 2023 0:39:50 GMT
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Oct 17, 2023 3:38:05 GMT
That looks like a very useful catalogue. I like the page on design descriptions and the way the stamps are numbered fit my way of thinking. They appear to match Facit Scandinavian catalogues in their approach to cataloguing, which I like very much.
I can see the appeal of specialized catalogues; no wonder the folks who post in the Library threads seem so happy!
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