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Post by vikingeck on Nov 23, 2022 14:15:00 GMT
These turned up in a junior stamp album recently. I suspect they are GB and look like some kind of savings stamp .. Can anyone identify them for me please ?  |
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 23, 2022 19:36:45 GMT
I had hoped Michael Londonbus1 would know these right away. Those elliptical perfs are strongly reminiscent of Royal Mail stamps and HM Govt. National insurance issues which makes me feel they should be some UK government production |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Nov 24, 2022 6:39:06 GMT
Yes, it would have been nice ! Instead I went on a two-hour fruitless pursuit of just about every savings stamp, Trading stamp, GB Cinderella and subscription stamp I could find. And yet I have seen this design before, or at least one similar, but could not find it.
But I am still looking.
I also checked out the possibility that they were merely labels from a sheet, but with year inscriptions and overprints that avenue was soon closed.
Ellipses as early as 1979 adds to the curiosity.
The fun continues..........
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Post by michael on Nov 24, 2022 8:32:46 GMT
vikingeck They are not in either Barefoot's United Kingdon Revenues catalouse (2010 edition) or Chris Chatfield's Commemorative labels catalogue.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 24, 2022 12:48:19 GMT
They may be dues stamps for some seafarer's union -- look here for examples of U.S. and Canadian union dues stamps. |
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 24, 2022 13:56:05 GMT
Mystery solved thanks to my friend Ian Billings of Norvik stamps They are so called " Fag stamps" for Royal Navy Sailors tobacco allowance, (300 cigs per month) which sailors could exchange for duty free cigarettes. They were allowed to take 200 away when on leave or 25 if onshore for 24 hr pass They were apparently printed in the HMSO print works who also did the Savings stamps, hence the similarity of size and perfs. The tobacco allowance was phased out in 1991 as smoking became more of a health issue So Steve tomiseksj you were on the right lines with the seafarers connection |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 24, 2022 14:35:39 GMT
I have really enjoyed seeing these stamps, Alex ( vikingeck ), thanks for posting them. The fouled or cabled anchor design is one I really like for two reasons: 1) it is an element of the USMC insignia of eagle, globe, and anchor, and 2) it is a watermark design for Cape Hope of Good Hope Stamps starting around 1884. Anyway, I just think that those are very cool stamps, Alex.  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Nov 24, 2022 16:33:07 GMT
Probably the only type of Cinderella I didn't search. I just googled 'Ration Stamps' and up they popped !!  |
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Post by daniel on Nov 30, 2022 3:46:18 GMT
A pair of sheets from Gerald King for the 10th Anniversary of the Revenue Society of Great Britain. On card and signed by him but in different colourways to those seen previously.  |
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Post by michael on Dec 1, 2022 8:38:37 GMT
Engraved and printed in 1935 for the Bromley and District Philatelic Society which was established in 1932. Corner marginal with part 'Perkins Bacon & Co. Ltd London SE1' imprint in the margin.  In researching this stamp I found that the history of this society had been published, so whilst I was at the RPSL the other day, I checked their copy. It had the stamp on the front cover but unfortunately there was no mention of it within the book.
Photo-bombed by my phone charger connector 
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 2, 2022 14:17:39 GMT
Grover & Co.Ltd Perforators, now merged with Wista (Perforating Machinery) of Germany. Company labels in Red and Green. Exists also in Blue. www.stampprinters.info/DS12.pdf(scroll down for some info and images of Grover perforators).  |
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Post by guyana1230 on Dec 2, 2022 15:46:38 GMT
Grover & Co.Ltd Perforators, now merged with Wista (Perforating Machinery) of Germany. Company labels in Red and Green. Exists also in Blue. www.stampprinters.info/DS12.pdf(scroll down for some info and images of Grover perforators). Shame they don't give any date for these stamps/labels |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 3, 2022 8:03:39 GMT
Martyn ( guyana1230), I have seen these variously given a date of c.1911-c.1914 and have just spotted a written-up album page with a 1911 date of issue. I have also been seeing the prices quoted for these items which left me a little shocked !  (Do dealers really sell at these prices !!?) Londonbus1 |
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Post by michael on Dec 3, 2022 8:56:05 GMT
Martyn ( guyana1230 ), I have seen these variously given a date of c.1911-c.1914 and have just spotted a written-up album page with a 1911 date of issue. I have also been seeing the prices quoted for these items which left me a little shocked ! (Do dealers really sell at these prices !!?) Londonbus1
From Great Britain Commemorative Labels pre 1950 by Chris Chatfield, 1991:
There are many artefact and documents from Grover at the Spears Museum of Philatelic History at the RPSL. From the new acquisitions section of a 2013 edition of the London Philatelist:
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Post by daniel on Dec 12, 2022 15:52:02 GMT
More Penny Black themed stamps from Colin Edwards. The Institute of Designers, Engravers & Artists. Penny Blanks and others.   |
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Post by daniel on Dec 28, 2022 6:24:57 GMT
These turned up in a junior stamp album recently. I suspect they are GB and look like some kind of savings stamp .. Can anyone identify them for me please ? I have found out a little more information on these stamps. There was an article by D S Weston in the October 1994 issue of The Cinderella Philatelist which I have. Even then the information on these Royal Navy Tobacco Labels was sparse but the author had spoken to 'a long-serving storeman at Portsmouth'. Firstly, the distinction in colour, pink and blue, relates to Home Waters and Overseas respectively. Confirmed smokers would be issued with a strip of 3 stamps in their pay packets and could then purchase 200 duty free cigarettes per stamp with the stamps being valid for 1 month only. The author was unaware that the scheme had come to an end when he wrote the article. Note that the elliptical perfs, known then as interrupted perfs were introduced in 1968 on Savings Stamps. A good find. Daniel |
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Post by daniel on Dec 30, 2022 22:21:15 GMT
Carlton Studio was a commercial art studio founded in London in 1902 by four Canadian graphic artists, Archibald Martin, T.G. Greene, Norman Mills Price and William Wallace. In 1903, they were joined by fellow Canadian J.E.H. MacDonald. It was a studio of some repute with many other renowned graphic artists passing through their doors. They produced Poster Stamps including the one shown here. They also designed stamps for The Mezzogravure Co. Ltd see page 9 of this link  |
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Post by daniel on Dec 31, 2022 23:18:25 GMT
The Shipping Federation 1890-1982L.H. Powell tells us in his book "The Shipping Federation: A History of the First Sixty Years, 1890-1950" ,London 1950, that it was founded in 1890, in order to promote the interests of shipowners. Its primary purpose was to counter the increasing power of the seamen's unions, and in particular J. Havelock Wilson's recently formed National Amalgamated Sailors' and Firemen's Union. As a strong advocate of free labour, the Federation was ruthless in its breaking of strikes, and these activities resulted in the liquidation of the NASFU in 1894. However, in the wake of the 1911 sailors' and dock-workers' strike, the Federation began to recognise the place of the unions, and to work more closely with them.
A benefit scheme was introduced called The Shipping Federation (Limited) Benefit Fund. Here is a certificate book issued to Richard Samuel Morgan 22nd May 1897. His record of service is shown from 13th February 1894 to 16th October 1899. His benefit was changed "from 1to 2" on 26th June 1899 and two Shipping Federation renewal stamps were applied to the book and dated accordingly. The stamps are overprinted in red for Liverpool and the appropriate Liverpool handstamp applied to them.
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Post by daniel on Jan 3, 2023 15:49:17 GMT
The Shipping Federation 1890-1982 The Benefit Certificate booklet that I showed above was a recent purchase but was made because I was researching a couple of obscure stamps that I had. In this case, an unused and mis-perfed example of the Renewal stamp, shown below. I had intended to show with the above booklet but then misplaced it. I have now found it and here it is. It is slightly different in so far as the paper seems to have some kind of security background.  |
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Post by cursus on Jan 10, 2023 19:10:07 GMT
My first 1937 Coronation cinderella
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Post by daniel on Jan 15, 2023 23:10:44 GMT
These turned up in a junior stamp album recently. I suspect they are GB and look like some kind of savings stamp .. Can anyone identify them for me please ? And looking online I found out a little more. In Home Waters, defined as shore bases or on Reserve ships not at sea, each pink stamp allowed the purchase of 100 specially manufactured RN cigarettes see here , note that they were 'not to be landed' They were produced by cigarette manufacturers such as Sobranie, Gallaher and British American Tobacco. Generally thought to be very strong. Overseas each blue stamp could be used to purchase 200 duty free cigarettes and regular brands could be purchased from the NAAFI (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) canteens on board ships. Damiel |
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Post by guyana1230 on Jan 18, 2023 17:40:09 GMT
These turned up in a junior stamp album recently. I suspect they are GB and look like some kind of savings stamp .. Can anyone identify them for me please ? And looking online I found out a little more. In Home Waters, defined as shore bases or on Reserve ships not at sea, each pink stamp allowed the purchase of 100 specially manufactured RN cigarettes see here , note that they were 'not to be landed' They were produced by cigarette manufacturers such as Sobranie, Gallaher and British American Tobacco. Generally thought to be very strong. Overseas each blue stamp could be used to purchase 200 duty free cigarettes and regular brands could be purchased from the NAAFI (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) canteens on board ships. Damiel Only got one of these (2 copies):-  |
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Post by daniel on Jan 24, 2023 22:42:07 GMT
The Shipping Federation I showed a Benefits Certificate Book and an unused stamp for The Shipping Federation in two previous posts in this thread. To complete the picture, here is one more related document, the Paper Ticket. This was the document required and issued by The Shipping Federation for every 'competent sea-going person, of whatever capacity, making application' for employment with The Federation. This particular Ticket is contemporary with the previously shown items. It is issued to Peter Benson, able seaman (abbreviated as AB) on 2nd April 1895 at the Cardiff office. It is stamped by The Shipping Federation. The reverse, showing the rules, is also shown,   |
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Post by daniel on Jan 29, 2023 19:04:36 GMT
Colin Edwards Laernu Sporten Definitives As previously mentioned in this thread, Colin designed the early Discworld stamps. One of the features of the Discworld was variants, that is, special versions of each stamp with a deliberate error. With his own Laernu stamps he took this idea further producing multiple variants of each stamp. This particular series of definitives is referred to as Sportens in the language of Laernu. Here is a whole page of them, spot the difference(s).  |
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 29, 2023 19:28:14 GMT
These turned up in a junior stamp album recently. I took these to York to try to confirm their use as “Fag Stamps” 3 issued with monthly pay to be exchanged for duty free tobacco. Each was equivalent to 100 cigarettes in Home waters and each blue one on high seas was exchanged for 200 cigarettes. One ex Navy acquaintance 10 years at sea said he had never seen them, however a second contact with 18 years in the Royal Marines was able to confirm exactly how they were used. They ceased to be issued in 1999 and duty free tobacco ceased for Navy personnel in 2001. Health issues having finally caught up. |
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Post by michael on Jan 29, 2023 21:44:31 GMT
Printed in the mid 1930s.
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Post by sudbury12000 on Feb 19, 2023 14:43:24 GMT
I just came across these in a small lot of world wide stamp I purchased. I had not seen them before, but that isn't surprising, there are so many Cinderellas out there as this page confirms   |
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 19, 2023 16:04:37 GMT
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Post by daniel on Feb 21, 2023 18:57:22 GMT
The Imperial Royal Austrian Exhibition of 1906 - Bohemian Section This, most beautiful, poster stamp was produced for this major exhibition in Earl's Court, London. It ran from 20th June to 6th October 1906. It included a "Tyrolean Village" with lacemakers, woodcarvers, beer halls and cafes, a model underground salt mine reached by a slide and a Bohemia area opened by the Bohemian revivalist Count Lützow.  |
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Post by daniel on Feb 22, 2023 3:08:44 GMT
Sir George Robey I had previously posted about this set in the Scouting/Girl Guiding thread when I only had one of the stamps. From the recent major Cinderella auction I managed to buy the full set as a block and here it is with that signed Robey photograph. George Edward Wade (1869-1954), later Sir George and known professionally as George Robey was an English comedian, singer and actor who started in musical theatre. Here is the set of 12 Cinderellas depicting him in support of Scouting issued in 1912 along with a signed photograph that I had.  |
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