blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 30, 2020 7:54:49 GMT
Beryllium Guy - Very nice COGh pages, neatly arranged marking - Excellent presentation of the different Dies, I've certainly copied for future reference. Thanks for sharing !
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 30, 2020 9:59:03 GMT
Thanks for your positive comments, Jon ( blaamand ). I am finding that I like using the stock pages at this point to arrange and re-arrange my collection. Especially under my current circumstances, where the bulk of my collection is in California and I am living in the UK, it allows me to make some progress on things, knowing that I will eventually bring everything together. For COGH at least, I managed to bring everything with me, so what I have posted here is what there is. In addition to this primary COGH collection, where I have tried to focus on the best examples of each catalogue-numbered stamp I could find, I am also preparing stock sheets with more color varieties, both listed and unlisted, as well as postmarks. So, be on the lookout for those in the coming days. I also just wanted to acknowledge and express my sincere thanks to you, Rene ( renden ), and Michael ( Londonbus1 ) as three of the main sources for the stamps in my COGH collection. The material you sent, Jon, has been especially useful for comparing color varieties, which are important in correctly identifying COGH stamps. I will be posting more about that in the future, too. Anyway, stay stampy, all!
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 30, 2020 10:39:50 GMT
Many of the COGH Victorian period stamps have part strikes of "Duplex" cancels ie a Number in Bars to kill the stamp, plus a datestamp with town name to record date of posting . Most of the time identification is tricky due to inkpads drying out, but there is a listing of Town numbers. Don't worry there's only 1400 to collect!
Your 227 on 5/- orange is KIMBERLY , and the ROBBEN IS(LAND) on the 2 1/2d is where the anti Aparteheid prisoners such as Nelson Mandela were held in the bay off Capetown . VALLEY is possibly TRAPPES VALLEY near Bathurst .
I believe the large "1" on the Edward VII 5/- is a Telegraph Office rather than a postal cancel
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Post by david on Dec 31, 2021 18:44:09 GMT
These are the stamps I have for cape of good hope. I don't have a catalogus to know the exact numbers.
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Post by masamir on Jan 10, 2022 13:13:57 GMT
Decided it was time I started preparing proper pages for my Triangles. Working on my One penny values ( of which I have 8 including two forgeries) I start my second page , the PB printing on white non blued paper . I have what I think are three shades but all in the Pale rose to Rose range . SG 5a / 5b Acquired for £15 yesterday from a club circulation packet . Pale Rose / Rose? / Deep Rose red? SG 5bHi, do you have the Scott / SG catalog for all triangle Cape of new hope? Thank you. Masamir
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 10, 2022 17:49:44 GMT
masamir The numbers I quote here are Stanley Gibbons (SG) Most collectors of South Africa prefer SG listing over Scott. Though we argue that the distinction between SG1 and SG3 are not clear and probably unnecessary, also between SG2 and SG4. Are you asking for a list of both catalogue pages? Is that your question?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 10, 2022 18:01:32 GMT
Alex ( vikingeck), thanks for responding. Masamir ( masamir), if you would like to have a catalogue reference for the Cape of Good Hope triangles, please send me a PM. I should be able to help you.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 26, 2023 8:56:44 GMT
"Stamp Oddities" Monty Wedd (Australia) (Undated) 32 Pages
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Post by rod222 on May 19, 2024 7:01:06 GMT
Cape of Good Hope : Wrappers ("Cut Squares") 1881-1882 Typographed on Manila paper Stamp to the Right Size 300 x 125 mm ½d (Halfpenny) Green 1d (One Penny) Red Brown Note: Be aware of the circular "Argus Wheel" cancels on these wrappers, from the Cape Argus Newspaper. (Single ring with double crossed bars, and "A" in centre ring)
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Post by rod222 on Oct 3, 2024 6:26:29 GMT
Auction action : Coming this month Perth Western Australia Online Catalogue linkNote: For those interested in the Cape Triangles, open the link, then dig down in the "Images" from the lot number here There are six lots of Triangles, with their opening values
Open at $350
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 7, 2024 20:32:43 GMT
CoGH experts.......what would be a value on this one ?
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 7, 2024 21:21:20 GMT
The reverse is most peculiar. I have never seen the back of any like this , with even blue wash and almost black reverse image showing so evenly.
I can’t see the watermark though I can see everything else , If the image shows through so clearly , surely the watermark would be visible?
I guess the pencil 6 means SG6. Which should mean “white paper not blued”
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 7, 2024 21:43:35 GMT
Thanks for your post, Michael ( Londonbus1), and thanks to Alex ( vikingeck) for responding, too. I am going to tag JeffS on this, too, as he owns many more pairs than I do, so perhaps he has the best idea of the current market prices. This looks like a VF or VF+ pair to me, with full margins all around and light cancel on one of the pair. I concur with Alex's observation that it is a bit unusual to see an image of the printed side so readily on the reverse, but I think I have an explanation. I have seen this same sort of phenomenon on other 4d Perkins Bacon printings, and it is usually due to sulfuretting. To my eye, at least, and on my laptop display, I think I can also see some general discoloration to the blue color on the front. That would support my thinking that sulfuretting is likely what's going on. That said, the good news is that the effects of sulfuretting can generally be removed pretty readily by a soak for a few minutes in 3% hydrogen peroxide. I have had good luck with that process personally, as have others here on TSF. If these are an SG6 pair (Sc4), the 2021 CV is $225 USD. I would think a pair like this on eBay would probably go for about $125-150 USD. That's about what I paid for my pair, which also has margins all around. I hope this helps and that perhaps Jeff will also be able to comment. If you don't mind my asking, do you own this pair, Michael?
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 7, 2024 22:27:18 GMT
If you do own this Michael Londonbus1 I would remove the hinge . The overall blue background bothers me, particularly the deeper blue under the hinge . What has caused it ? Is it some extraneous interference eg ink which has caused the overall wash ? PB and DLR printings are robust and will withstand soaking, washing and peroxide , but if there has been foreign ink on the back that may have caused the blueness on a previous soak. Certainly the front appearance looks nice ( could be worth asking £80- £100 ) but I would be reluctant till I got answers for what’s going on with the reverse . i was the underbidder on a pair of SG6 with less attractive margins (but I believe sideways watermarks ) which went to £68 on eBay last week .
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Post by JeffS on Oct 8, 2024 1:22:25 GMT
Beryllium Guy , vikingeck , Londonbus1 Thanks for the inclusion in the discussion. My first observation as I compare the margins on the fromt of the stamp with the margins on the back, I am suspicious of the image on the back being lifted from a printed image. I didn't explain that vry well as I am quite tired at this moment. If this is being considered for purchase I would want the stamps in hand for a close inspection. Holding to a light source should confirm if the image on the back is indeed the front inking showing through. The front side is rather dingy and not that attractive. Personally I would pass on it at any price. Others might find my objections unwarranted.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 8, 2024 11:03:09 GMT
JeffS , I too was a bit concerned that the reverse image did not appear to match the image as transferred through from the front , however I believe it actually does match as the orientation of the reverse photo is at 90 or 270 degrees to the front. Not a straight flip So probably not a transfer from an album page . Beryllium Guy ‘s sulphuretting remains a possibility but it is enough to raise concern. I am still upset by the blue effect.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 8, 2024 15:47:26 GMT
I cannot give any more info on it as it's not mine nor is it in my possession. I was intrigued, as has been noted, by the back side. I probably won't bid. The listing stated a Catalogue value of £650 for 2 singles. Is this the Gibbons Catalogue value ?
Anyway, thanks for the feedback/tips.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 8, 2024 16:50:05 GMT
From Gibbons Catalogue
SG2 on deeply blued paper is £300 as single , SG 4 slightly blued @£170 and. SG6 on white paper is £95 Take your choice
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 8, 2024 19:34:29 GMT
Hello, Michael ( Londonbus1) and thanks for your follow-up post. I also consulted my 2023 SG Catalogue, which yielded the same prices for single stamps as Alex ( vikingeck) posted. It forces me to conclude that the seller believes his stamp is an SG2 on deeply blued paper, as that is the only option that gets the CV into the £300 or £325 range for a single copy, and of course, it is certainly possible that a 2024 or 2025 edition of the SG Catalogue lists an SG2 at £325 each. I went back through the Cape Triangle thread just now, as I had recalled that Jim ( jkjblue) had previously posted an example on which the back of the stamp looked very similar to what Michael showed on this pair on offer. After some scrolling, I finally found it. Please have a look here: Original post showing front and back: thestampforum.boards.net/post/143620/threadFollow-up post showing backs, before and after 3% peroxide soak: thestampforum.boards.net/post/143739/threadJim's example (Image Label: F2) clearly shows blued paper, which now makes me wonder if the seller of the pair shown by Michael can see the bluing more clearly than what shows up in the image. I have only ever seen this phenomenon twice now, once with Jim's F2 example and once with the pair shown by Michael. In Jim's case, if you look at the follow-up post, you will see that the peroxide bath removed the image from the back of the stamp, a pretty persuasive argument in favor of the idea that the pair is indeed, sulfuretted, in my opinion. But it is just my opinion, and as always, others are welcome to theirs. It's part of what makes philately interesting! Thanks again for sharing this example, Michael. This has been quite a good discussion!
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Post by JeffS on Oct 8, 2024 19:58:21 GMT
Londonbus1 , vikingeck Beryllium Guy I stand corrected in my assessment of that pair. The proof is in the pudding and that's not chocolate pudding on the back of that pair. Good memory and sleuthing Chris! Good job.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 8, 2024 20:05:03 GMT
JeffS, Beryllium Guy, vikingeck...........the question is, should I buy it or not I don't even know why I want it but after all this information, maybe I should. Yes, I just checked and he said it is a SG2 on deeply blued paper. So that part and the value are cleared up. Now to check with my wallet !!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 8, 2024 23:28:05 GMT
Michael ( Londonbus1), good luck with whatever you decide! One last comment: in his book on Cape Triangles, Stevenson wrote back in 1950 that any multiple of a Cape Triangle on blued paper in VF condition or better is extremely scarce. The one you are considering is probably the first one I have seen available. I originally thought it was on white paper, but it seems clear now that it is certainly blued. If your wallet can support your going after it, the more I think about it, the better I think this item is. The bidding may not go that high if others are put off by the images on the back.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 13, 2024 19:30:23 GMT
I know I have a reputation as executioner when it comes to dumping badly damaged stamps, but surely even the most ardent conservationist would hesitate to offer this 80% of a triangle for sale at £20 . Wonderful margins where they exist but Would anyone be daft enough or desperate enough to buy it ?
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Post by Admin on Oct 13, 2024 20:52:35 GMT
...Would anyone be daft enough or desperate enough to buy it ? Perhaps the person who has the missing piece.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 11, 2024 23:04:10 GMT
Cape of Good Hope : Stampless Source : Harmers Int. Auction November 20th 2024 (Another cover to HUTH)
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Post by rod222 on Nov 13, 2024 1:53:19 GMT
"In the Stamp Market" by "O G" 5th October 1907
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