tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 28, 2018 10:54:49 GMT
I wonder what caused the coloration in the top 1/4 of these stamps to fade. The ink of the postmark doesn't appear to have been affected so does that indicate that it occurred prior to affixing or did this result from an inking problem during printing? |
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Post by butterfly on Apr 28, 2018 14:12:17 GMT
I'd vote for environmental exposure as the culprit. I've seen a lot of these used 2d stamps in extremely faded condition. Also, referring to the image of the full envelope, note how the paper is yellowed in a band along the top. The ink was likely mostly carbon black or something similar to carbon black and highly resistant to moisture, sunlight, ozone, etc.
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Post by Bas S Warwick on Apr 28, 2018 23:42:52 GMT
I wonder what caused the coloration in the top 1/4 of these stamps to fade. The ink of the postmark doesn't appear to have been affected so does that indicate that it occurred prior to affixing or did this result from an inking problem during printing?
Apr 29, 2018 2:12:17 GMT 12 butterfly said: I'd vote for environmental exposure as the culprit. I've seen a lot of these used 2d stamps in extremely faded condition. Also, referring to the image of the full envelope, note how the paper is yellowed in a band along the top. The ink was likely mostly carbon black or something similar to carbon black and highly resistant to moisture, sunlight, ozone, etc. Thanks for the replies. I'll dig it out and have a closer look, but I would say it's probably environmental exposure. |
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Post by jamesw on Jul 31, 2018 2:15:53 GMT
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zipper
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What I collect: Classic GB, QV, France Ceres/Napoleon, Classic U.S., Cinderella & Poster Stamps
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Post by zipper on Feb 19, 2019 23:23:48 GMT
From my cherished TSF buddy.  |
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Post by jimwentzell on Mar 30, 2019 5:42:08 GMT
  I picked up this New South Wales Ten Shilling Stamp Duty PERFIN (punched perforated initials) with a " POSTAGE" overprint a few years ago at our local stamp club in an auction lot. Canceled with a Sydney May 31 06 6:30 pm circular date stamp (CDS). Not sure about the bottom two digits within the circle. Collectors from Australia tell me it is likely a Stanley Gibbons 277 Perfined for Official Service. Not sure of the catalogue value but as it is postally (rather than fiscally) canceled it seems rather desirable. The reverse has what appears to be an owner's or dealer's mark "JULIARD" As well as perhaps an intertwined set of initials-- JS? (Sorry for the crooked scan!) |
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 30, 2019 16:40:48 GMT
jamesw posted an example of this a bit earlier, but here's what I came across mixed in with the GB Queen Vickie's I've been sorting Five pence 1884-85 Sc # 26 
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cjoprey
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What I collect: Belgium (predominantly), British Commonwealth (older ones), WW (whatever comes my way...)
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Post by cjoprey on Apr 23, 2020 8:41:00 GMT
Two questions for you all: 1) I have a Scott #62 2p which has a red line on it, and no mention in any of my books about this. Any thoughts what this might be?  2) I have this stamp duty stamp. Colnect tells me it is from 1882, but I can't find it in Michel, Scott or Stanley Gibbons. does anyone have any other information (like CV)? Thanks!  |
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cjoprey
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What I collect: Belgium (predominantly), British Commonwealth (older ones), WW (whatever comes my way...)
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Post by cjoprey on May 1, 2020 8:15:53 GMT
Gentle nudge in case anyone can answer the red line mystery, and/or provide more info on the stamp duty stamp? Thank you!
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 26, 2022 22:19:18 GMT
I have my Australian album out today to check to see if I needed any of the New South Wales stamps I was looking through. They were all very common ones but I did take some time to look at what I do have. I probably do not pay enough attention to this collection. It is extensive with some nice early imperforate issues. Nothing of consequence has been added in the last 20 years. This photo is just the early stuff. 
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 2, 2023 21:15:07 GMT
With the recent discussion about Queensland perfed OS I discovered I have a page full of New South Wales that are perforated O S with NSW below. Interesting that some are on early Australia stamps.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 11, 2023 3:54:47 GMT
Gentle nudge in case anyone can answer the red line mystery, and/or provide more info on the stamp duty stamp? Thank you!
"The Red Line Mystery" is a line of red wax crayon, that would have crossed in two lines, across an envelope (cover)
This signifies the article has "REGISTRATION" status.
Wax lines in Blue also exist, and, in printed form across printed stationery
------------ The NSW Stamp Duty is a Revenue stamp
1881 Dies Typography by De La Rue in London.
Printed from Locally made plates of 120 in Sydney
Wmk NSW sideways (1881)
Wmk NSW and Crown 1901 (cv £3) 2000
Source : British Commonwealth Revenues : John Barefoot Ltd |
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sudbury12000
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Post by sudbury12000 on Nov 24, 2023 13:33:22 GMT
Hello all, I am looking for some help here. I am sure this will be just the first of many questions as I sort through a large collection of NSW. Please see this stamp and watermark. I think the WMK is clear enough, but let me know, I will try and do better. Perforation is 12x11. My question is what is the SC or SG cat number   |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 24, 2023 14:34:06 GMT
Hello all, I am looking for some help here. I am sure this will be just the first of many questions as I sort through a large collection of NSW. Please see this stamp and watermark. I think the WMK is clear enough, but let me know, I will try and do better. Perforation is 12x11. My question is what is the SC or SG cat number
Can you suggest the number on the Postmark please ?
The Watermark is a Marginal Watermark
Note the gap between the H and W in New South Wales in this dandy roll image
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renden
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Post by renden on Nov 24, 2023 14:40:31 GMT
sudbury12000Rod222 responded while I was typing !! Even if I am not a big South Wales collector, I would venture to guess your stamp could be a Scott # 65, A11, perf 11X12, 5p dk blue grn and Wmk. 55 (Large crown and NSW)- Year 1882. I am sure the experts will give an opinion. I gave you mine - Good LuckBTW - Scott mentions that 63 and 65 come with two types of wmk. 55, spacings of 1mm or 2mm between Crown and NSV René
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 24, 2023 14:51:08 GMT
I think Rene nailed it.
Happy to be corrected.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 24, 2023 15:08:17 GMT
Thanks for your post, Roy ( sudbury12000). Nice stamp! Well, it looks like rod222 has provided the perfect image to show where the watermark on yours comes from, and Rene ( renden) has nailed the Scott Catalogue reference, too. Cheers, guys! Just in case you want to see all the varieties listed in Scott, below is an image of the listing from the 2021 edition of the Scott Classic Specialized. Yours would seem to be an Sc65f, which is specifically for the 12x11 perf variety.  I really like NSW stamps, so looking forward to seeing what else you will uncover in your large acquisition!  |
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sudbury12000
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Post by sudbury12000 on Nov 24, 2023 15:08:26 GMT
sudbury12000 Rod222 responded while I was typing !! Even if I am not a big South Wales collector, I would venture to guess your stamp could be a Scott # 65, A11, perf 11X12, 5p dk blue grn and Wmk. 55 (Large crown and NSW)- Year 1882. I am sure the experts will give an opinion. I gave you mine - Good LuckBTW - Scott mentions that 63 and 65 come with two types of wmk. 55, spacings of 1mm or 2mm between Crown and NSV René thank you as always. The perf is 12x11 so I will go with 65f. Makes sense now that the margin watermark has been identified. You guys are the best! |
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sudbury12000
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Post by sudbury12000 on Nov 24, 2023 15:13:11 GMT
Beryllium Guy responded as you responded, thank you for being up early. that is what I got. I bought about 10 album pages of NSW and a bulk stamps. I think I need a high end perforation gauge. From 1871 on, there are sooooooooo many variations!!
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 24, 2023 15:20:39 GMT
No worries, Roy ( sudbury12000), everyone was excited by your question and wanted to answer! By the way, I just checked my 2023 Gibbons Commonwealth Catalogue 1840-1970, and I believe your stamp is SG233d, Perf 12x11 variety. Stay NSW stampy, all! |
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Post by michael on Nov 24, 2023 18:36:34 GMT
A bit of trivia:
Perkins Bacon engraved the dies and plates for all the Australian Colonies, but New South Wales is the only colony for which they didn't print any stamps, they were all printed locally in Australia.
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sudbury12000
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Post by sudbury12000 on Nov 26, 2023 15:46:56 GMT
rod222 sorry for the delay. I cannot make out the postmark on the 5P.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 26, 2023 21:42:27 GMT
rod222 sorry for the delay. I cannot make out the postmark on the 5P.
Which in NSW would be BYRON ( Inverell)
But Postmarks can make fools of us all.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 26, 2023 21:44:44 GMT
rod222 and sudbury12000The postmark on the 5-pence looks like 135 to me. That’s just my opinion, and it may not be correct. Hope this helps.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Nov 26, 2023 21:50:20 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 5:02:15 GMT
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Catweazle
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What I collect: Chatham Islands (NZ), Molokai (US), Lord Howe Island (AU), Greenland, GB, some Australian Pre-decimals for good measure et hoc genus omne.
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Post by Catweazle on Jan 17, 2024 5:41:55 GMT
Lord Howe Island Provisional Manuscript Overprint  Used on Cover CV : Somewhere North of $20,000  Is that catalogue value you quote there for MUH, mint, used or used on cover? Also, which catalogue are you using? Mayo & Peck's L.H.I. catalogue, Stanley Gibbons, Scott or ACSC? I don't have all the catalogues – maybe I should invest in adding another volume to my philatelic library! |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 17, 2024 7:31:01 GMT
Is that catalogue value you quote there for MUH, mint, used or used on cover? Also, which catalogue are you using? Mayo & Peck's L.H.I. catalogue, Stanley Gibbons, Scott or ACSC? I don't have all the catalogues – maybe I should invest in adding another volume to my philatelic library!  Now.. The Lord Howe Images were from 2007 (At that stage was not posting images, so the source was not required) Being colour they would have been Auction Catalogue perhaps? The price would have been there, or "Australian Stamp News" or "Australian Stamp Monthly" The following images are from those magazines  
1930 Lord Howe Island Provisional Manuscript Overprint - on Cover: In over 25
years of dealing I have never owned or offered one of these famous items. The
Postmaster on tiny LHI had a shortage of 2d stamps when the latter rate increased at
short notice in late July 1930 to 2d. He telegrammed Sydney GPO to ask what to do,
and was advised by telegram to : "use 1½d stamps with endorsement - 2d Paid PM
LHI".
So the PM took his entire stock of 260 Sturt 1½d commemoratives, (SG #117) and
wrote in black ink pen across each one as instructed, and went ahead and used them
up on mail. At this time only an average 80 mail articles a month left the remote
island, which is 702 km north east of Sydney, and 1000 km SW of Norfolk Island.
The stamp is tied by "Lord Howe Island OC 3 : 1930 N.S.W" with an additional strike
alongside. By the rough strikes of the cancels and the address, this cover appears to be
non-philatelic.
This course is NOT what Sydney GPO had envisaged - they assumed he would write
the endorsement on the cover to one side, and AWAY from the stamps, but the
Telegram was explicit ..... albeit ambiguous.
The PMG Department HQ in Melbourne was unaware of these provisional
"overprints" for some months, which had franked LHI outward mail in August,
September and early October. When they discovered it, they over-rode the earlier
authority, but the PM Mr Fenton was neither officially criticised or reprimanded at
any time, as he had acted in good faith. This is a genuine commercial cover to the
Burns Philp Trading Company. Dr Bill Mayo's LHI philatelic book states most of the
few recorded covers are addressed locally to LHI.
The very few covers I have seen illustrated in sale cats looks ratty and/or toned. This
one is quite PRISTINE for 77 years old - as you can see. SG and ACSC have always
listed and priced this rare provisional. SG says it is Cat £650 mint or used = $A1,625.
Any commercial COVER used in this era is rare - franked with any issue.
SG Says on cover prices for SG 117-125 are "From 10 x " so this one is rated "From
$A16,250". A lovely item, in condition that would delight even the MOST fastidious
of buyers. Gold Medal exhibit material stuff, or one for the super fund. $A1,600
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 20, 2024 0:23:03 GMT
Ever wondered what would make a stamp collector of many years, go weak at the knees?
Have paroxysms of delight.
Make it into his or her "Most memorable moment of all (philatelic) time" ?
Well here's an example.
It was not the finding of a fabulously expensive, rare postage stamp,
just an innocuous little red stamp on a piece of paper.
Not sure, but I think this arrived in 2008 in a "swap" lot
I scanned it, curious and intrigued by the backing paper,
Not expecting I would ever find out.
Would I soak it off?........Never!
Then in 2023 I posted the shard on a stamp forum, and Bingo!
Some amazing colleague, had the answer
I still cannot believe it happened.
As an aside ......"Traction Engine" "Tractor not in use at this time. Etymology The word tractor was taken from Latin, being the agent noun of trahere "to pull" The first recorded use of the word meaning "an engine or vehicle for pulling wagons or plows" occurred in 1896, from the earlier term "traction motor" (1859) Here is the shard and stamp from 2008 and the 2023 result
  
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