rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 20, 2024 4:21:37 GMT
Early Mails Transport, New South Wales Circa 1871 Maitland H.R.N.S.N Co = Hunter River New Steam Navigation Company The H.R.N.S.N Co company's Flag (Jack?)  Following Author : Malcolm M Rea. 1971      The Sydney Morning Herald 17th July 1871     |
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Catweazle
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What I collect: Chatham Islands (NZ), Molokai (US), Lord Howe Island (AU), Greenland, GB, some Australian Pre-decimals for good measure et hoc genus omne.
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Post by Catweazle on Jun 15, 2024 9:25:25 GMT
Is that catalogue value you quote there for MUH, mint, used or used on cover? Also, which catalogue are you using? Mayo & Peck's L.H.I. catalogue, Stanley Gibbons, Scott or ACSC? I don't have all the catalogues – maybe I should invest in adding another volume to my philatelic library! Now.. The Lord Howe Images were from 2007 (At that stage was not posting images, so the source was not required) Being colour they would have been Auction Catalogue perhaps? The price would have been there, or "Australian Stamp News" or "Australian Stamp Monthly" The following images are from those magazines  
1930 Lord Howe Island Provisional Manuscript Overprint - on Cover: In over 25
years of dealing I have never owned or offered one of these famous items. The
Postmaster on tiny LHI had a shortage of 2d stamps when the latter rate increased at
short notice in late July 1930 to 2d. He telegrammed Sydney GPO to ask what to do,
and was advised by telegram to : "use 1½d stamps with endorsement - 2d Paid PM
LHI".
So the PM took his entire stock of 260 Sturt 1½d commemoratives, (SG #117) and
wrote in black ink pen across each one as instructed, and went ahead and used them
up on mail. At this time only an average 80 mail articles a month left the remote
island, which is 702 km north east of Sydney, and 1000 km SW of Norfolk Island.
The stamp is tied by "Lord Howe Island OC 3 : 1930 N.S.W" with an additional strike
alongside. By the rough strikes of the cancels and the address, this cover appears to be
non-philatelic.
This course is NOT what Sydney GPO had envisaged - they assumed he would write
the endorsement on the cover to one side, and AWAY from the stamps, but the
Telegram was explicit ..... albeit ambiguous.
The PMG Department HQ in Melbourne was unaware of these provisional
"overprints" for some months, which had franked LHI outward mail in August,
September and early October. When they discovered it, they over-rode the earlier
authority, but the PM Mr Fenton was neither officially criticised or reprimanded at
any time, as he had acted in good faith. This is a genuine commercial cover to the
Burns Philp Trading Company. Dr Bill Mayo's LHI philatelic book states most of the
few recorded covers are addressed locally to LHI.
The very few covers I have seen illustrated in sale cats looks ratty and/or toned. This
one is quite PRISTINE for 77 years old - as you can see. SG and ACSC have always
listed and priced this rare provisional. SG says it is Cat £650 mint or used = $A1,625.
Any commercial COVER used in this era is rare - franked with any issue.
SG Says on cover prices for SG 117-125 are "From 10 x " so this one is rated "From
$A16,250". A lovely item, in condition that would delight even the MOST fastidious
of buyers. Gold Medal exhibit material stuff, or one for the super fund. $A1,600
.Well the Enid Pratten cover is exceptional from both points of view in the sense that it's one of those provisionals on a Chichester cover to boot! Here's a coloured version as pictured in Corinphila Auction 298-307. The hammer price was 1000CHF (Swiss Francs) excluding all sorts of buyers fees, postage, handling, insurance and other mad addons. However, the description suggested that it also included an autographed letter from Chichester.  Interesting to note what SG says. That might explain their premium on this provisional cover perhaps? www.stanleygibbons.com/products/australia-1930-sg117-var-cover-lord-howe-island-2d-postmaster-provisionalPriced a bit different to the similar one that Abacus Auctions sold last month for AUD$420 + fees! Have we a thread around here on Lord Howe Island already? I don't mean to hijack the NSW thread and see value in two separate threads for these sort of things. |
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kencooke
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What I collect: Australia, Greece, Netherlands
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Post by kencooke on Jun 19, 2024 4:55:20 GMT
Gentle nudge in case anyone can answer the red line mystery, and/or provide more info on the stamp duty stamp? Thank you!
"The Red Line Mystery" is a line of red wax crayon, that would have crossed in two lines, across an envelope (cover)
This signifies the article has "REGISTRATION" status.
Wax lines in Blue also exist, and, in printed form across printed stationery
------------ The NSW Stamp Duty is a Revenue stamp
1881 Dies Typography by De La Rue in London.
Printed from Locally made plates of 120 in Sydney
Wmk NSW sideways (1881)
Wmk NSW and Crown 1901 (cv £3) 2000
Source : British Commonwealth Revenues : John Barefoot LtdIs there any significance to the incomplete O of SOUTH on the duty stamp? |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 19, 2024 6:27:13 GMT
kencooke Hi Ken, Quote : Is there any significance to the incomplete O of SOUTH on the duty stamp? Opinion: not really, I see a slight deepening of the colour around the void, perhaps detritus attached to the printing plate ? would then be an "EFO" Error, Freak, or oddity. I cannot see how it would have occurred otherwise (surface printed) Still, a great curiosity piece, in a collection. Note: It appears to have the cancellation cleaned from the surface . Ken: Your Avatar is intriguing, care to elaborate ?  
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kencooke
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Post by kencooke on Jun 26, 2024 8:44:55 GMT
kencooke Hi Ken, Ken: Your Avatar is intriguing, care to elaborate ? Rod, I also collect Ancient Greek coins, specialising in Lesbos. My avatar is a photo of one of the coins in my collection, one of the earliest minted on Lesbos about 550BC or earlier. it features the Gorgon/Medusa. |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 26, 2024 12:33:51 GMT
kencookeHi Ken, Quote: Rod, I also collect Ancient Greek coins, specialising in Lesbos. My avatar is a photo of one of the coins in my collection, one of the earliest minted on Lesbos about 550BC or earlier. it features the Gorgon/Medusa. Thank you.I was terribly disappointed, I imagined I had multiple examples of Gorgon / Medusa in my database, but it was not to be  I just had Sc3443 USA 33c Medusa Fish and the Gorgon Head in an Austria Souvenir sheet (Gorgon 200 AD) I would not have picked your coin, it had overtones (to me) of a New Zealand influence
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 7, 2024 8:59:05 GMT
paul1 Postmark : GRETAMAIN NSW (aka GRETA MAIN)How lucky were you, with the beginning letter (G) and the ending (AIN) Ergo, could only be one of two possibilities GANMAIN GRETAMAIN The arc distance suggests the latter A clear Postmark GRETAMAIN poss value $8 Telegraph Office to 16th March 1925 Post Office 25/3/1925 to 3oth March 1964 (I believe now a Bakery-still with Post Office Signage) Source : Premier Postal Auctions  
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 7, 2024 9:07:14 GMT
gosh, you are clever rod222 - am sure you're correct with GRETAMAIN - thanks for the sleuthing - it all adds to the interest surrounding the stamp. Am inclined to suggest that the poor '3' in 1930 may well be due to some detritus on the plate when printing.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 7, 2024 9:41:20 GMT
I am having trouble connecting GRETA MAIN with GRETA
I feel they are basically one of the same,
but I cannot see literature to prove it.
GRETA is the home of the famous Australian bushranger NED KELLY
(renamed to GLENROWAN)
GRETA MAIN appears to be referencing a Colliery
They appear to be 25 Km apart?
The current population of Greta Main is 67
Perhaps one day, a New South Welshman may chip in, with info.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 7, 2024 10:07:44 GMT
shouldn't that be 'infamous' - otherwise, sorry unable to help - and all 67 work down the mine ?? ;-)
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 8, 2024 11:49:02 GMT
Hello Rodney, There are two Gretas in Australia, as far as I know. One is in Victoria, home of Ned Kelly, the other is in New South Wales near Branxton, where our museum is. Greta Main is another country town in NSW, about half an hour from Greta and completely separate, where they had a colliery once. They could have had the post office in the colliery office for the convenience of all involved. In earlier days of white settlement and in country areas, people would conduct small, but official, post office services from their homes, which makes them very hard to track down as they weren't post office buildings, as such. It was a way of making extra money for the household in a time when you had to saddle or hitch the horse to collect the mail. I hope this helps, Neridah Kentwell for Greta Museum ---------------------------------------------------------- From my research link |
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doug534
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Post by doug534 on Oct 20, 2024 23:44:47 GMT
Can someone please help me understand watermarks on the NSW one penny "shield" or "Seal" design (first issued in 1897) and how they are designated in the Scott catalogue? Scott calls the design "Seal" (designated A38 in the current digital catalogue) and does not list the 1p stamp as either watermarked or unwatermarked in its first issue (Scott #98a-98g). A 1905-06 reissue (Sc. 110) is listed as having a watermark (Scott Wmk #12) as does a 1906-07 reissue (Sc. #122; Wmk #13). The colors for the issues are rose red, carmine rose, and rose, respectively. The stamp pictured (lying under water) has a wmk but it is neither 12 or 13. The wmk matches Scott Wmk #55. So is this stamp a Sc. 98 by default? Is there a "rule" regarding what the absence of any indication of watermarking means, for example, that the watermark is variable, or that it may or may not be present? I have no idea who put the ink "79" (?) on the back of the stamp, but it is not anything I would ever do.   |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 21, 2024 0:40:18 GMT
doug534
and does not list the 1p stamp as either watermarked or unwatermarked in its first issue (Scott #98a-98g).Hi Doug, Yes it does, one has to understand the foibles of the Scott Catalogue Scott regime, is to enumerate a postage stamp issue, along with its print process, watermark status and perf guaging after that, the following stamps listed ARE ASSUMED to be "ditto" regarding the details, UNLESS marked otherwise. ERGO, you have to look at Scott 98, (No wmk listed) so you go backwards (through the listings) until you see the last Wmk listed (Which is Wmk 55) So these stamps (HUGELY fly specked because of endless varieties) are......... NSW Seal Scott TypeA38 0098 1897 Wmk55 0110 1905 Wmk 12 0122 1906 Wmk 13 Hope this helps
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