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Post by rod222 on Sept 25, 2015 22:55:39 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Sept 27, 2015 9:45:46 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Sept 27, 2015 10:40:26 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Sept 29, 2015 2:06:27 GMT
1892 and 1896 Rivadavia, Belgrano and San Martin...............Wmk "Small Sun" and "Large Sun" Forgery : Lithographed issue "Discovery of America" Santa Maria, Nina and Pinta. Steiner Page 7  Steiner Page 8  |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 30, 2015 22:35:06 GMT
Official Department Stamps (with gaps) MA = Ministry of Agriculture. Buying departmental stamps if members have any.Steiner page 39  Steiner page 40  Steiner page 41  |
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 1, 2015 2:22:45 GMT
Hi It would be nice if Steiner had also put the Spanish on the Departmental pages. In Spanish the overprint abbreviations make sense but not always so in English. | Abbrev | Spanish | English | | M. A. | Ministerio de Agriculture
| Ministry of Agriculture
| M. G.
| Ministerio de Guerra
| Ministry of War
| M. H.
| Ministerio de Hacienda
| Ministry of Finance
| M. I.
| Ministerio de Interior
| Ministry of the Interior
| M. J. I.
| Ministerio de Justicia e Instruccion
| Ministry of Justice and Instruction
| M. M.
| Ministerio de Marina
| Ministry of Marine
| M. O. P.
| Ministerio de Obras Publicas
| Ministry of Public Works
| M. R. C.
| Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto
| Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Religion
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 1, 2015 4:24:42 GMT
Hi
Just noticed that I "liked this" on my last post. Don't know how that happened as I did not mean to "toot my own horn". I guess it was one of those "fat finger" things.
Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Oct 1, 2015 5:35:20 GMT
Hi Just noticed that I "liked this" on my last post. Don't know how that happened as I did not mean to "toot my own horn". I guess it was one of those "fat finger" things. Jerry B G'day Jerry, I have done that numerous times, you miss the edit button or something similar. If you hit the "I Like" button again, your embarassment shall disappear  |
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 1, 2015 19:49:26 GMT
Hi Rodney
Thanks.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 1, 2015 21:20:41 GMT
Old Album Page header.  1899 Steiner page 9  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 1, 2015 21:22:57 GMT
1902 Steiner Page 10  1910 Steiner Page 11  |
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 2, 2015 3:43:35 GMT
Hi Rodney
Does Steiner have pages for all the watermark and printing varieties? In the pages you show I do not see very many watermark designations.
Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Oct 2, 2015 8:03:46 GMT
Hi Rodney Does Steiner have pages for all the watermark and printing varieties? In the pages you show I do not see very many watermark designations. Jerry B Hello Jerry, Aaaargh! Argentina is a country requiring one's complete attention, I am working at snail's pace but adroitly, page by page. Your question lacks parameters and is open ended, ergo, I am unable to answer. What I shall say, is Mr. Steiner is very rarely beaten to task, he is generally spot on. Caveat: He often works in tandem with the Scott Catalogue, hence if one was a Stanley Gibbons collector, then it would be difficult to follow. Sometimes Mr. Steiner pages are constructed by other Philatelists, and one may find extra varieties included in the page design. If you are following an Argentine specialist catalogue, then no doubt you are going to find irregularities. My Route: I follow Scott and Steiner exactly, this brings immense benefits, I can take a random Argentine purchase lot of loose stamps, and have them sorted, and duplicates separated in minutes by tabbing through my scanned pages. It is really enjoyable collecting. If irregularities are found, forgeries, postmarks, I quickly whip up a personal designed page and insert in the correct sequence. What you may try, follow my pages, and if you see a lack somewhere, bring my attention to it, and I'll see if it is addressed. Mr. Steiner gives me permission to share some files, but not for Argentina, so I cannot send you a copy of the pages. Rod |
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 2, 2015 8:33:07 GMT
Hi Rodney
It was an curiosity question since I do not use pre-printed pages and I do not collect Argentina. In my area of Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela I would not expect the "details" of early issues to be on a Steiner page as I use Scott and specialized catalogs.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 2, 2015 8:44:23 GMT
Jerry,
in my experience, Steiner addresses all perf varieties, all general print varieties, and Scott indicates generally where forgeries may exist.
With say, commonwealth country issues, I'll mount in Scott fashion, but always check Stanley Gibbons for "extreme" varieties
eg: inverted wmks, flaws, print irregularities, as this is where the big money lies sometimes.
I check my stamps thusly, before placing them in the "duplicates" to go on ebay.
I misunderstood, I thought you collected Argentine stamps.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 2, 2015 13:51:56 GMT
Hi Rodney
I do not collect Argentina but I am very familiar with South America and somewhat familiar with Central America. In my friend's store I am the "Latin American" source for breaking down collections. He has himself and someone else for United States and Europe, someone for Asia and I believe someone for British Commonwealth.
I have broken down so many Mexican collections that I started to become interested in the country and its history. If I ever started a new collection I believe it would be Mexico.
As far as collecting Argentina. A few years ago the local stamp club to which I had belonged had its usual mid-month auction. My wife and I had to go someplace after the meeting so she went with me to the meeting. Big mistake! There was an Argentina lot that was a box (2-3 inches wide maybe 10 inches long) of Argentina stamps in glassine envelopes. My wife got caught up in the bidding and won the lot. I took some for myself (to fill out a childhood collection) and disposed of the remaining stamps to a World Wide collector. I swapped the entire remainder for 2 or 3 Colombia covers and some Cubiertas.
A casual friend used Steiner pages. When he started using them I believe Bill Steiner offered the page source. Anyways, he got the source and had someone he knew convert them to Microsoft Publisher. That way he could modify a page with his own Publisher software.
Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Oct 3, 2015 9:56:21 GMT
classicalstamps Hello Morten, I have not forgotten your Albania forgeries, will arrive shortly. Argentina Forgery for you. Hope this helps. Genuine Engraved, "8" of 1892 looks like an "S", Watermark Sun with Long rays, + in Flag is well defined  Forgery Lithographed "8" in 1892 is closed, Watermark Sun with short rays. + in flag appears slightly blurred. Corollory would suggest the Postmark is forged as well? 
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Post by rod222 on Oct 3, 2015 23:48:05 GMT
Revenues Unknown Possibly Chemical Office of Corrientes Marked : "Litho & Imp. Jose Ruland  1882 Revenues "Sellotape" stains  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 3, 2015 23:51:52 GMT
Revenues Corrientes 1895 "Sellotape" stains Punctures : C 95 Overprint / cancellation possibly : "Envio no normalizado" (Non conforming revenue / document) "on rencontre egalement ces timbre perfores" = Punctured stamps C95 noted   |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 4, 2015 0:08:23 GMT
These stamps designed and engraved by a Baker's delivery boy !................ thestampforum.boards.net/post/34875The Corrientes stamp of 1856 was designed and engraved by Matias Pipet, a baker’s delivery boy, who served as an apprentice to a French engraver before arriving at the province. With no one having such experience, Matias was asked to prepare a stamp and he copied the design of the famous French Ceres stamps. www.americanstampdealer.com/Specialities/Argentina.aspx |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 4, 2015 0:39:56 GMT
Tips for new collectors to the discipline............ Detecting Lithography v Typography Using the General San Martin Bust in the definitives. (When sorting hundreds of these fellows, the colour is oftentimes not detectable) Lithography : Frame corner generally sharp Typography : Frame Corner has a lip or "point" as the inked die lifts off the paper. Typography : Vignette is often "blobby" from the ink, less definition, note heavy ink around General San Martin's left eye, nose, and mouth...... Left :Litho (without period after numeral, Wmk RA in Sun 1923-24) Right : Typo (1931-1933)  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 4, 2015 23:25:28 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2015 0:06:22 GMT
For New Argentine collectors. The 50c Buenos Aires Harbour When sorting, note 2 types of the above. Engraved (1956) and Litho (1959) ID : Frame of Litho is filled, name of Printer only at bottom Frame of Engraved is hatched, Engraver and designer at bottom CV : Mint Litho $1 Engraved 30c  ------------------------------------- Corrientes General Revenue 1922 (No further info available)  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2015 0:12:45 GMT
Corrientes Revenues Paired Stamps Label A & B 1909 Patents "Talon" piece remains in Register or on document. Vignette ID : Cross of Corrientes.  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2015 5:20:47 GMT
Sc#508 1943 This fellow exists in Wmk 90 and 288 Wmk90 exists also in................................."Dull Red, unsurfaced paper" (CV $3 against 30c) Any members know any tricks in identifying these?  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2015 6:21:07 GMT
1945-1946 The 5 San Martin Siblings........... All worth 20c except 4th from left, he has a CV of $90 / $30  |
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Post by classicalstamps on Oct 6, 2015 17:10:55 GMT
rod222No worries about the Albania  Thank you for the Argentinian genuine + forgery. I actually have another forgery of this stamp:  Thanks for sharing. I have not gotten around to publishing a page about forgeries of Argentina - yet Your stamp will be a most welcome addition to my reference library until then.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 7, 2015 1:12:06 GMT
1951 Close of the 5 year Plan. Steiner Page 12a  Steiner Page 14 and 15 "Don't cry for me Argentina, I never left you................."   |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 7, 2015 22:41:43 GMT
1952 Steiner Page 15  1954 Steiner page 16  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 8, 2015 10:04:31 GMT
Argentine Air. Nothing is straightforward with Argentina, one shall expect to expend volumes of Watermark Fluid. I have issues I would swear were Un-watermarked yet they carry a Postmark of 1944 (Un-watermarked paper did not arrive till 1946) A sparsely decorated page, and a cheat sheet, for sorting the blighters.........   |
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