blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 13, 2020 17:25:22 GMT
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Apr 13, 2020 17:28:30 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Apr 13, 2020 18:36:37 GMT
blaamand those pages are absolutely LOVELY! These are the first album pages that I’ve EVER seen that tempts me to switch from Hagnar and Vario to a printed page and mounts. Seriously impressed! A little aside (and an ear worm) Every time I hear the phrase “The King of Sweden” I start humming the song “Minnie the Moocher”... She had a dream about the King of Sweden He gave her things that she was needin' He gave her a home built of gold and steel A diamond car with a p-la-ti-num wheel Hi-dee hi-dee hi-dee hi (hi-dee hi-dee hi-dee hi) Ho-dee-ho-dee-ho-dee ho (ho-dee-ho-dee-ho-dee ho) Skip-de-diddly-skip-de-diddly-diddly-oh (skip-de-diddly-skip-de-diddly-diddly-oh) Bour'rrigy-bour'rrigy-bour'rrigy-oh (bour'rrigy-bour'rrigy-bour'rrigy-oh) He gave her his townhouse and his racing horses Each meal she ate was a dozen courses She had a million dollars worth of nickels and dimes She sat around and counted them all a million times
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renden
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Post by renden on Apr 13, 2020 18:37:28 GMT
Niiice Absolutely, Tobben, Jon's pages are "super nice" and there is lots of work in there - Bravo ! Jon blaamand René |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 13, 2020 18:41:27 GMT
Jon ( blaamand), thanks so much for giving this thread a bump! As always, I think your pages are great. Super that you have a Sweden #1 and have shown it here and in the Number Ones thread. My posts back in page 2 of this thread are among my earliest on the Forum, and it was frankly because of Mark ( madbaker) that I decided to mount my major Sweden acquisition at the time. I got a really good deal on that lot, and I was trying to figure out how/where to fit in on TSF. Once Mark posted his Sweden, I jumped right in. I was always more of a joiner than a pure leader. I suppose it's no surprise that you are only the second member to give those posts a like.... it only took 3-1/2 years! I ended up with a pretty decent collection of early Sweden, despite never having spent a lot of time working on it. I was lucky. The more I go through old collections now, I realize what poor condition most of them are in. I just spent much of my day today soaking old album pages of stamps. There were some reasonable finds there, but some real disappointments, too. |
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 13, 2020 20:21:23 GMT
Thanks for the very kind words philatelia , I'm blushing! It's actually quite a coincidence that you mentioned being tempted to switch from stocksheet to proper album pages, because that is just what happened to me You see, I made this pages at a time when I still had my entire collection all stored in stockbooks, and had no intention to switch. The pages were made as virtual pages, meaning the pages were actually never printed and populated in real life, but rather I prepared the pages and populated the pages digitially with scans of my own stamps. I did this for quite a few countries, but after a while I realized it took too long time. It was when I came to making these Sweden pages I finally gave in, and came to the decision that proper pages have some advantages compared to stocksheet or album, which eventually made me do the largest leap of my philatlic carriere - to create specialized album pages for all countries and gradually phase out all stock books. And the process has just started! Luckily the effort of creating the pages has now turned into a co-operation with barbu and tobben63 , so it is getting manageable. I enjoy every bit and do not regret the switch, and I can recommend it. Mind you, though I love the look on proper pages, any more recent stuff is still simply going onto Vario stocksheets in order to save time. |
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 13, 2020 20:25:00 GMT
philatelia - And I like 'Minnie the Moocher' just like you, that's a song we typically start singing at 0400hrs in the morning after sufficient amounts of wine 
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 13, 2020 20:46:15 GMT
Not so anymore Beryllium Guy , you are a leader when it comes to always staying positive and appreciate everything that happens on this forum, a very good lead to follow Thanks for the praise and for sharing your own story about your Sweden collection. Your nice pages deserves more likes!! And I know what you are saying about poor quality on stamps from filler collections - or maybe we are just getting more and more picky? A few years ago I was happy to fill any stamp into my collection, but nowadays I have got increasingly concerned about cleaning dirty stamps and replacing stamps not in perfect condition. Thanks Crhis. The sequence was that I found the #1-thread first and wanted to share Swedens #1, as it was still missing in there. I assume my post in that thread today sparked an interest for stainlessb to visit this Sweden thread and give this thread a bump. Only then did I really discover this thread and gave it the attention it deserves. I saw your nice pages which tempted me to show my pages (and not only the poor low-resolution scan of #1, which frankly did look rather poorish on its own....) Even before that madbaker had inspired you to join in here! The butterfly-effect reminds me that all we do on this forum may have knock-on effects and create inspiration for others, even years later. I like it! Thank you all - stay healthy and stampy! |
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Apr 13, 2020 20:50:07 GMT
'Minnie the Moocher' good feeling. From my all time favourite film 'The Blues Brothers' And do you know that the first Swedish king on a stamp, was on a Norwegian stamp!  Darn, not mine stamp ....... |
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on Apr 13, 2020 21:48:26 GMT
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Apr 14, 2020 1:43:38 GMT
@blamaand inspired me to dust off my scanner. Nothing near as nice as his virtual pages, but some mid-century commems:
What I love about Sweden is the perf types listed in the Facit catalogue. There are coils, booklet singles, fully perf'd stamps, etc.
The stamps are all cheap, but that just makes for more fun when going through larger lots. Maybe there is a version you don't have!
And I love it when I can check off the A (two sided perf), B (3 sided), and C (4 sided) types. And sometimes, even the elusive BB (a pair of stamps perf'd on three sides each)!
Check out the St. Brigit set - coils perf'd horizontal and vertical, and a 3 sided too. So cool.
It's one of the reasons I prefer Vario pages - I don't want to make a space on a page for each possible variety, but I still keep an eye out for them.
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Post by philatelia on Apr 14, 2020 10:08:57 GMT
madbaker So true about the fun of hunting for all of the inexpensive Swedish types - booklet positions are the most elusive. Once I get all of my Sweden duplicates culled and uploaded to Colnect, you’ll have to check and see if I have any that you need. Don’t hold your breath though! It might be a while before I get to those.
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Apr 14, 2020 10:21:44 GMT
madbaker - Great page and stamps! And I certainly agree, collecting all the different pairs and perforation varieties of semi-modern Sweden is good fun. I'm like you, collect them all 
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 4, 2020 16:17:44 GMT
A nice machine cancel on a Sweden F43m posthorn, from my favorite micro-village; Gysinge 4.4.1889
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on May 6, 2020 23:25:07 GMT
Aaron, @kasvik - why is Gynsinge your favourite? I bet there is a story there!
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 6, 2020 23:40:51 GMT
Aaron, @kasvik - why is Gynsinge your favourite? I bet there is a story there! |
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Post by kasvik on May 25, 2020 17:19:47 GMT
Cheap but a nice find for me. Featuring my favorite Swedish town and the famously idyllic Northern California town nearest the island where I lived when small, ten minutes across the bridge from San Francisco. Clever is not a Swedish name (unless it was Cleverdahl or some such). It looks to me like a Gävle girl married into Mill Valley. I checked Newspapers.com; a few years later, presumably divorced, she re-married and moved to Sacramento.
The stamps are Facit 274 and 282s the standard Swedish low-value regulars of the era. Social Democratic governments had a habit of sticking the king on the cheap stamps and honoring national symbols on the costly ones. How transparent. The cancelations are Nst 59. Gävle 2 was the post office for Bomhus, the semi-industrial area south of town. All so normal.
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Post by spain1850 on May 29, 2020 21:34:41 GMT
OK, so I asked about this several years ago, and subsequently forgot I had asked (in a separate thread), but looking back there was really no light shed on it. This thread seems to be a bit more active, so I'll try here.
In the early coil stamps, such as the Lion and Gustav issues, Facit mentions a "clear print" on some values. Is there and easy way to distinguish the "clear prints"? I have piles of these things and for the life of me, they ALL look clear. Any shortcuts I can use, or tricks to pick out the "clear prints"?
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jun 14, 2020 19:00:17 GMT
Birth Centenary of Fairy Tale Illustrator John Bauer, 1982. Booklet Pane of 4. Perf 12x12½. The top two stamps were engraved by Slania. The other two by Majvor Franzen.   |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 14, 2020 19:20:26 GMT
OK, so I asked about this several years ago, and subsequently forgot I had asked (in a separate thread), but looking back there was really no light shed on it. This thread seems to be a bit more active, so I'll try here. In the early coil stamps, such as the Lion and Gustav issues, Facit mentions a "clear print" on some values. Is there and easy way to distinguish the "clear prints"? I have piles of these things and for the life of me, they ALL look clear. Any shortcuts I can use, or tricks to pick out the "clear prints"? I don't know the answer to your question, so I will tag a few members who might: Ryan , madbaker , blaamand , vikingeck , norsten , kasvik.... I don't know if there might be others. |
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 14, 2020 23:06:45 GMT
blaamand , Or anyone else with Facit knowledge. I do have a Facit Postal catalog, which is what I have been using to try and identify my Swedish cancels. So far I've been able to find everything but this one. It appears to be "RAFLUNDABRO", but the closest I find in the catalog is "RAFLUNDA", and the only value stated for it is 1000 kr (?). I struggle with the written Swedish language, so I'm probably missing something. Also, the only comparable examples I see online are on the Oscar issues. Any input would be greatly appreciated. 
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 14, 2020 23:42:51 GMT
When it rains it pours. Found something else I am unsure about. This is Facit 235A, and within the listing a variety is mentioned "plate scar (A)". Are these the plate "scars" (see blue arrows) they are referring to?  |
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jun 14, 2020 23:53:15 GMT
In the early coil stamps, such as the Lion and Gustav issues, Facit mentions a "clear print" on some values. Is there and easy way to distinguish the "clear prints"? I thought this would be easier to solve than it was - yeesh! The closest I can come to finding a clear unambiguous definition online is this Swedish-language page talking about Oscar II sheet stamps. It mentions "toned stamps" with the description of them being caused by incompletely cleaning the ink from the non-printing portions of the plate - thus, toned stamps have a general ink tone in the outer margins and the clear portions of the design, due to the ink being lightly smeared across the entire surface of the plate instead of only being found in the engraved lines which print the design. This page then compares this to coil stamps from the 1920s which also often see this tone in the non-printing areas of the stamp. This is opposed to the "clear print" in which the printing plate was wiped completely clean so the ink was only where it was supposed to be, that is, in the engraved lines, and the paper outside the stamp design is completely free of ink toning. Google Translate gives the word "dried" where I'm using the term "wiped" but when I look at the translation for the individual word "torka", "wipe" is one of the English choices and it fits this explanation better than "dry" - waiting for the ink to dry which has been smeared on the non-printing surface of the plate would also somewhat dry out the ink that settles correctly in the grooves, especially the shallow fine lines, and that wouldn't be the way the stamps are printed, whereas wiping would be used on a plate after it had been inked. Ryan |
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Post by Ryan on Jun 15, 2020 0:09:59 GMT
It appears to be "RAFLUNDABRO", but the closest I find in the catalog is "RAFLUNDA", and the only value stated for it is 1000 kr (?). According to Swedish Wikipedia, this was a former railway station, not a town. Perhaps there was relatively little traffic at that particular stop and thus little use for a postal counter in the station. I found an example later than yours (with the modern spelling) on the Stamps of the World site.  Ryan |
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 15, 2020 0:14:40 GMT
Ryan, OK that makes more sense. I found it in the catalog under the modern spelling "RAVLUNDA (BRO)". Thank you! All is well with this one now. Will be bookmarking some of your sites....very helpful.
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 15, 2020 0:25:42 GMT
"Clear prints" Ryan, for some reason I picture something similar to the wet/dry printings of some of the US stamps, where under, magnification you can see a slight "ghosting" around the engraved lines, on the wet printing. Almost a soft appearance. And clean, crisp lines on the dry. I know I have seen some of these early Sweden stamps that look like they have a soft appearance, but haven't ran into any, as of yet, that would make me think of a "clear print". Luckily, I have a few thousand of these Gustavs to get through, so maybe I'll be able to find some. Also just noticing that some of the "clear prints" have a later issue date than the normal stamps, so looking for dated copies might help as well. Thank you for the assistance. |
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Post by Ryan on Jun 15, 2020 0:32:47 GMT
That page I linked to gives the toned stamps an overall hint of ink everywhere, not just a "soggy" fuzzy line. Below are their example images for "heavy" and "light" toning. But there's still the problem of grades / scales of effect - the difference between "light" toning and "clear" is going to be frustrating, I'm sure.   Ryan |
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Jun 15, 2020 7:06:15 GMT
spain1850 - That's a nice 'Raflundabro' postmark. I saw your question about it first now - to which Ryan has already given informative response I have nothing else to add. I don't even have the Facit Postal, it's on my wishlist! Interesting question about the clear print. Honestly i haven't studied this yet to any extent, I have just noted the differences which seems to be progressive and without no clear cut, as Ryan already stated. It's one of those where it seems to not be a even/or, but rather more/less. Kind of frustrating but none the less an interesting feature to study. In particular for the red/carmine oscars, some of them seems like they've been printed on rose paper - and others on clean white.
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Post by norsten on Jun 15, 2020 19:47:06 GMT
"Clear prints" Also just noticing that some of the "clear prints" have a later issue date than the normal stamps, so looking for dated copies might help as well. I am sorry, but I find both the shades and the paper varieties on the Swedish Issues 1920-36 are extremely difficult to characterize, so I cannot offer much help here
According to my issue of the Facit catalogue (1998-99), it is mentioned that the "clear print issues" were printed on A2 paper in 1933-34, almost white on the printing side, but toned on the reverse. |
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 16, 2020 2:16:39 GMT
"Clear prints" Also just noticing that some of the "clear prints" have a later issue date than the normal stamps, so looking for dated copies might help as well. I am sorry, but I find both the shades and the paper varieties on the Swedish Issues 1920-36 are extremely difficult to characterize, so I cannot offer much help here
According to my issue of the Facit catalogue (1998-99), it is mentioned that the "clear print issues" were printed on A2 paper in 1933-34, almost white on the printing side, but toned on the reverse.
That's the sum total of what I was able to figure out.  Sometimes a slightly different shade as well, in my 2013 Facit at least.
Facit 143 A is listed as 'green' and on A1 or A2 paper for the main stamp (issued 2.10.1925) and 'dark green, clear print' on A2 paper for the variety.
Facit 143 C (perfs on 4 sides, issued 3.9.1927) lists the variety as 'dull dark green, clear print' without a year.
I sure hope you are able to find a consistent difference, spain1850. I'd love to see the differences. I don't have the eye for it, especially when it comes to shades. Some of the shade descriptions make me giggle: "carminish red", "red-dull carmine-red", "dull (brownish) violet carmine." oh boy! |
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Thanks for looking 
Sometimes a slightly different shade as well, in my 2013 Facit at least.