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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:22:04 GMT
1960 Belgium1967 US
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Dec 21, 2017 15:27:22 GMT
Rocket mail over the falls Canada 1936
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 17, 2018 12:51:12 GMT
Unused/Unissued Rocket Mail labels by Gerhard Zucker for the 1934 Apex event in London. Mr.Golightly on board, on his way to the California Gold Rush !! These appeared earlier this year in our TSF Newsletter. Used at a later 'firing' in Holland on a few covers. Can you spot the error ? OK, I know, it's easy ! Londonbus1.....a soft touch.
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 27, 2018 17:05:55 GMT
Just added another 'Golightly' but this time without the error !! This was 80% cheaper than the examples in the previous post !! Collecting Cinderellas is not easy.
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 25, 2019 19:01:16 GMT
I dug this out while looking for something else--can't remember where I got it or what I paid; it must have been around a long time (I started inventorying everything I get about eight years ago). The nice Cinderella label is a bonus!
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 25, 2019 19:10:44 GMT
From the 1930s through to the 1960s, rocket mail was experimented on by many countries.... here are a few.... Andorra 1962 I thought your Andorra label looked familiar:
picked up for, well, about the price of a cup of coffee earlier this year!
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2020 2:22:19 GMT
This is a good batch of Gerhard Zucker's earliest rocket mail stamps from 1933 in a variety of colours perforated and imperforates. Produced for a cancelled flight in Duhen, Germany. Flights took place on 31st August 1933 in Hasselfelde and in Stiege on 4th November 1933. Scan_20200807 by Daniel, on Flickr A couple of covers from 1933 sold as souvenirs but not flown (this display page was not written by me). Almost all flown covers from this era are expensive to very expensive, In themselves, the stamps are interesting and more affordable as many collectors seek only flown covers. I've picked up some nice stamp rarities this way. Scan_20200807 (2) by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by greaden on Aug 7, 2020 3:09:45 GMT
Here is rocketmail from Sikkim. It was the only cover I could find with a postmark from Sikkim, a country that never produced stamps. It had one doozy of a story attached to it. It was sent by one Stephen Smith to his uninterested nephew,Hector. Sikkim was a remote kingdom in the Himalayas between Nepal and Bhutan, and the monarch supported the rocket mail experiments hoping for a practical way to send messages across deep gorges and also to send emergency supplies.
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2020 3:32:16 GMT
This is the second lot of Gerhard Zucker's rocket mail stamps from later in 1933. For these, as with the previous stamps shown above, Zucker used printers Meisenbach, Fiffarth & Co. in Berlin. They depict a rocket in front of Ursa Minor with the Pole Star. He would also ensure there there were limited edition rarities, in this case with switched values. The top two blocks are half sheets, below are singles with lighter shades, the next part sheet has one of the switched values. Finally, an unflown souvenir cover. Flights took place on 6th and 10th November 1933 from Stiege. Scan_20200807 (5) by Daniel, on Flickr This next lot show a different format which was a puzzle to me at first until I came across the cover at the bottom. These sheets are little known and rare. next to the red sheet is another rare switched value (in red) and imperforate. Again, the cover was a souvenir item only and not flown, it shows that the sheet was perforated and cut into 4. Zucker seemed to like multiple products for each flight. Scan_20200807 (6) by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by daniel on Aug 7, 2020 3:50:07 GMT
Here is rocketmail from Sikkim. It was the only cover I could find with a postmark from Sikkim, a country that never produced stamps. It had one doozy of a story attached to it. It was sent by one Stephen Smith to his uninterested nephew, Hector. Sikkim was a remote kingdom in the Himalayas between Nepal and Bhutan, and the monarch supported the rocket mail experiments hoping for a practical way to send messages across deep gorges and also to send emergency supplies. Very nice cover. Flown on 7th April 1935 in Rocket No. 43, the first Sikkim flight, from the post office of Gangtok to Durbar High School but overflew its target by 45 yards. Catalogue value 230 euros.
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Post by daniel on Aug 8, 2020 1:49:13 GMT
At some point in 1933 Gerhard Zucker gave a presentation with a 13 foot rocket to a crowd of Nazi officials claiming his rocket to be 'the largest rocket ever built'. In a photograph that Zucker would use in his next rocket mail flight, Zucker can be seen gesturing towards his rocket lying on a carriage and in the background can be seen a lineup of jack-booted Brown-shirts. Zucker was seeking backing for his alternative bomb carrier. This picture is shown here as a flown postcard on his next rocket mail flight on 28th January 1934: Scan_20200617 by Daniel, on Flickr For this particular flight at Hextanplatz Zucker was promoting the National Socialist German Workers' Party Winter Relief Fund. Three new stamps were produced on honeycomb watermarked paper by Duvel in Hamburg. They were the 1/2 mark in red-brown, 1 mark in olive green and 3 mark in silver. This is the front of the above postcard: Scan_20200617 (2) by Daniel, on Flickr Here are the stamps as a perforated set, the reverse showing the noneycomb watermark and imperforate pairs: Scan_20200808 by Daniel, on Flickr There were also very limited edition colour variant stamps produced for covers and these, and other, unwatermarked colour variants which were either sold at the time as souvenirs or produced much later: Scan_20200808 (2) by Daniel, on Flickr
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chrischross
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Post by chrischross on Nov 9, 2020 3:23:15 GMT
Thanks to this thread, I remember a purchase from long ago, France P.28 1935 Roberti interrupted rocket mail cover: One of the interesting parts was determining if the 10c blue is a 279 Type III or Type IV. But the new Maury 2019 I received sure settled that argument. Type IV it is! A quick check of eBay turns up some interesting variations on cancellation color, Cinderella stamp, etc. I'm definitely glad long ago self decided to buy this :-)
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Post by daniel on Nov 9, 2020 3:47:08 GMT
Thanks for your post chrischross. Karl Roberti was an even more controversial figure than Gerhard Zucker and, indeed, they knew each other. Roberti had to flee his native Netherlands after the philatelic press pointed out that his rockets were simply fireworks. The attempts to fire rockets across the Channel were never feasible at that time, 1935. Not even Wernher von Braun was achieving such a distance with his experimental rockets at Peenemunde until 1942. About this time Zucker also attempted cross channel rocket flights which were unsuccessful but still exaggerated by him and would see him imprisoned for fraud in 1936.
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chrischross
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Post by chrischross on Nov 9, 2020 18:15:25 GMT
daniel -- thanks for the info on Roberti -- I definitely got a sense just looking through the covers that folks like Roberti were the "hype men" of their day. The fact he used fireworks is confirmation of that :-)
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Post by daniel on Nov 24, 2020 2:10:09 GMT
Here are a couple of nice recent additions to my Gerhard Zucker collection. Firstly, some rare proofs/specimens of his early rocket mail stamps from 1933. Followed by a flown and signed postcard for the 1934 Winter Relief Fund sent through the German postal system. Shown back and front. {It was the convention with Rocket Mail that flown covers be posted through the mail, although this wasn't the case with the postcard shown previously for the Winter Relief Fund, both of these cards were flown on the rocket flight at Thale on 28th January 1934.} Scan_20201124 (3) by Daniel, on Flickr Scan_20201124 (4) by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by stamphinger on Apr 5, 2021 16:55:45 GMT
Not a collector of rocket mail, but I purchased this cover for the cinderella commemorating the experimental rocket mail flight between Reynosa, Mexico, and McAllen, Texas, on July 2, 1936. The American Legion Post #37 in McAllen sponsored both the 1936 and 1961 flights. I am placing the cover in my Cinderellas on Cover collection.
Don StampHinger
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Post by daniel on Apr 6, 2021 19:50:06 GMT
Thanks Don stamphinger , a nice cover and an amusing write-up, such mishaps were not uncommon with Rocket Mail and the truth is it was never very practical. I have a few items of American Legion Rocket Mail. The man behind these was Keith E Rumbel, he was a scientist who studied at MIT and later went on to develop solid propellants for Polaris missiles. All covers from the 1936 launches are valuable running into 3 figures and beyond my affordability. So, here we have one of the 1936 triangular vignettes in green and red used for the launches from Mexico to USA, the USA to Mexico versions were red and blue, examples can be found on page 1 of this thread including a rare complete sheetlet of 4. Then we jump forward to 1961, the 25th anniversary of the 1936 rocket flights. There is a mint postage stamp and a cover from 1961 sent by rocket from USA to Mexico then posted back to the USA with a special overprinted Mexican Rocket Mail postage stamp, on the first day of issue, 2nd July 1961. A US commemorative Rocket Mail label has also been added. Finally, a damaged cover from 1961 re-flown by rocket in 1966 with 2 Rocket Mail stamps. Scan_20210406 by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by stamphinger on Apr 7, 2021 14:33:33 GMT
Thanks, daniel , Great additional information. Don
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Post by daniel on May 8, 2021 4:57:16 GMT
A couple of Paisley Rocketeers' Society, Scotland related items. Firstly, an envelope sent to John D Stewart pioneer rocketeer who flew rockets from the 1930s. It was sent by Doc Nichol from Tigard, Oregon of Doc's Local Post fame, He liked his very busy covers as you can see from the scans showing the front and back with various home-made stamps:
Scan_20210508 by Daniel, on Flickr Scan_20210508 (2) by Daniel, on Flickr Secondly, a flown by aquajet cover signed by Stewart. Paisley items are highly collected and these are the only covers that I have.
Scan_20210508 (3) by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by daniel on Sept 28, 2021 3:19:18 GMT
In 1934 Gerhard Zucker travelled to the London Air Post Exhibition (APEX) and met stamp dealer C H Dombrowsky (or Dombrowski). Together, they formed the The British Rocket Syndicate at 112 Strand, London. Zucker toured the British Isles demonstrating his rockets with varying degrees of success. I've shown a couple of covers in the Philatelic Exhibitions - Great Britain thread here but here is another with a back stamp for the Sussex Downs launch. and here is a picture of the cancellation of the rocket mail stamp showing that it is in the form of England and Wales. Scan_20210509 (2) by Daniel, on Flickr
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Post by daniel on Oct 2, 2021 4:18:04 GMT
By July 1934 Zucker and his entourage went to Scotland with the idea of using his rockets to aid communication between Scottish Isles. In particular, the Isles of Scarp and Harris (the southern part of the Island of Lewis and Harris).
On 28th July an attempt was made to fire a rocket from Scarp to Harris, the rocket exploded. The cover is shown front and back with a special Western Isles Rocket Post stamp cancelled with a (barely visible) Great Britain map in words (see above) and 'Trial Firing 28/VII/34 Scarp-Harris' handstamp . A George V 1½d definitive is cancelled with a Harris/Isle of Harris postmark dated 1st August 1934. The back shows a special 'Damaged by first /explosion at/ Scarp -- Harris' handstamp.
The second attempt on the 31st July from Harris to Scarp was also a failure. A similar cover was produced with a green version of the Western Isles stamp with a Harris-Scarp handstamp. A George V ½d definitive is also cancelled Harris.
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Post by daniel on Aug 4, 2022 1:03:29 GMT
More colour variants from Gerhard Zucker's 1934 stamps. Three pairs in colours different to the issued set, no watermarks. The bottom two stamps, gummed and watermarked, were limited to only 8 of each and are very rare. I managed to purchase these two for the opening bids before someone with deeper pockets outbid me on the next three.
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Post by daniel on Jul 28, 2023 14:10:35 GMT
International Philatelic Exhibition New York 1936 Having achieved some fame, albeit with a limited amount of success, Gerhard Zucker was invited to America to demonstrate his rockets and various flights were planned. However he had claimed that one of his attempted cross channel rocket launches from Ostend to Dover had achieved a much greater distance than was actually possible. A failed rocket attempt was one thing, and quite common, but he had covers overprinted with a handstamp clearly stating (in English translation) "Fished up 5° east longitude, 55° north latitude, Danish motor glider Hennrietta". Zucker would be arrested and charged in Germany for fraud. He was sentenced to 16 months in prison and so was unable to attend the New York Exhibition. Covers, unflown of course, were sold anyway at the exhibition. This is an uncut sheet.
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Post by daniel on Jul 31, 2023 14:36:44 GMT
Italia Rocket Trieste 30th October 1934 Gerhard Zucker launched the Italia I rocket from Zaule, Trieste, Italy. These two covers show one of each of his special triangular stamps. The first with his red 5 lire stamp has been cancelled with a circular 'Espirementi Di Posta Per Razzo Espresso Trieste Ottobre 1934' handstamp and here is also a large red handstamp with the same information. An Italian postage stamp has been cancelled with Trieste Arrivie E Partenze machine cancel for 30 X 34. The second cover with the light blue 7,70 Lire triangular rocket mail stamp has two Italian stamps for the rate to Germany and two Italian circular postmarks for Trieste Capo Di Piazza for 31. 10.34.
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Post by daniel on Jul 31, 2023 15:26:21 GMT
Albert C. Roessler Cover Dealer and Innovator Roessler announced a rocket mail cover for 'Professor Lo Russo', almost certainly Roessler himself. Roessler and Sam Rosen launched the rocket on 31st January 1936 near Newark Airport. The rocket would release a parachute and a container with tiny rocket mail but due to gales was blown east of Newark Bay. Newark postal officials objected to the stamps and the rocket cancellation and confiscated them. They would later be released and, in some cases, postage stamps added. The covers were tiny and I'm showing one next a Penny Red as a comparison of size. Mine doesn't have a postage stamp attached to the rear. After the Second World War, these 'Sample' sheets were released in different colours. I acquired these recently at a very good price.
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Post by daniel on Aug 26, 2023 13:43:02 GMT
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 26, 2023 17:20:29 GMT
Today’s post on this thread reminded me of this envelope of clippings I posted before on another thread, maybe in Hong Kong. They may just be trash but they have always intrigued me since stumbling across them in a box of junk a few years back. Google searches have not turned up anything related on torpedo post.
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Post by daniel on Aug 26, 2023 20:28:40 GMT
Hugh, hdm1950 , these items are interesting. I can find no trace at all of any Rocketmail from Hong Kong in any of the catalogues. It seems that word Torpedo was rarely used in the Rocketmail sense. It was used on some souvenir items for Antonio Funes' Rocketmail in Cuba but I'm sure your items don't relate to Cuba. Otherwise, I can only find some Aerotorpedo gummed labels produced by Gerhard Zucker for his early experimentation in the 1930s. The only Hong Kong related possibility that I could find was for the Brennan Torpedo Station at The Museum of Coastal Defence, Hong Kong and they could relate to some kind of event or promotion there but I could find no evidence for this. That's all I could come up with. Daniel
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Post by daniel on Oct 25, 2023 16:55:24 GMT
daniel Daniel, would you be as kind to check your catalogue for these please ? They have lain unidentified in my collection for 20 years. They may be just a junk phantasy issue, but I am still curious. Thanks in advance. P.A.R.R.O.T Club Hi Rod, I'm answering your query in the Rocket Mail thread as I fear we may be hijacking philatelia 's thread The reference that I used earlier was a book that only covers rocket mail up to 1945. So, we then have to turn to the famous Ellington-Zwisler Rocket Mail Catalogs (sic) from 50 years ago. It was a genuine Rocket Mail stamp used on covers flown on 16th February 1963. Here is the catalogue extract: The value is probably about the same. Daniel
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