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Post by rod222 on Oct 25, 2023 23:38:28 GMT
danielI'm answering your query in the Rocket Mail thread as I fear we may be hijacking philatelia 's thread Excellent ! Well, bless my soul, I wouldn't care to guess how many hours I spent, searching for the P.A.R.R.O.T club Frankly, I am gobsmacked. Your'e the man! Thanks so much, another unknown unidentified laid to rest. 
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Post by rod222 on Oct 25, 2023 23:56:25 GMT
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Post by daniel on Sept 5, 2024 16:50:11 GMT
Cuba jumped on the Rocket Mail bandwagon in 1939. Their rockets would be constructed by Albert Funes. There were three test launches before a public launch on 15th October 1939. A new version of of the airmail stamp SG386 was printed in green instead of black and then overprinted with the words EXPERIMENTO DEL / COHETE / Postal / ANO DE 1939 (SG433) and covers were produced. The flight was not a success and the rocket landed just a few metres away. The remaining stocks of the stamps were destroyed a few days later. A small number of covers were flown out of over 2500 handed in for cancelling on the day. There is no way of distinguishing between flown and unflown covers! Here are two covers, one domestic and one airmail, both shown front and back. Although the airmail cover doesn't have an address showing, it must have been removed/fallen off at some point. The reverses show the slogan cancel for the domestic cover and New York receiving marks for Oct 16 1939 and an oval handstamp which seems to translate as something like 'Secretary of Commons and Post Office Negotiators and General Affairs'.(But looking for a better translation)   |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 5, 2024 17:59:40 GMT
 Scott # C0031 1964  |
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Post by daniel on Sept 6, 2024 2:49:03 GMT
Three 20th Anniversary covers from Cuba, 1959  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 20:56:14 GMT
Has anybody seen this before? I can't find anything about it, the seller said the signature is from the designer.  |
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Post by daniel on Sept 9, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
@clovermite, the signature is that of Rocket Mail Pioneer Gerhard Zucker. The stamps relate to his rocket mail flight at Bullange, Belgium on 18th September 1961 and relates to Europa, a celebration of Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 22:11:49 GMT
@clovermite , the signature is that of Rocket Mail Pioneer Gerhard Zucker. The stamps relate to his rocket mail flight at Bullange, Belgium on 18th September 1961 and relates to Europa, a celebration of Europe. Oh, that's Zucker's signature? So, it's not real then? Edit: Viewed under a loupe, it seems real. I thought it might have just been a print. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 22:20:37 GMT
Here is a Zucker cover from my collection.  |
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Post by daniel on Sept 9, 2024 22:37:13 GMT
@clovermite, Zucker was a prolific signer, it is a genuine signature. Here is my cover and sheet from my collection.  Zucker did not attend the International Philatelic Exhibition of 1936, having been imprisoned in Germany for mail fraud. The various covers produced were not flown but sold as souvenirs, see my posts above in this thread. The stamps and covers are still attractive and collectible but are quite common. See also this linkDaniel |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 22:45:55 GMT
Zucker did not attend the International Philatelic Exhibition of 1936, having been imprisoned in Germany for mail fraud. The various covers produced were not flown but sold as souvenirs, see my posts above in this thread. The stamps and covers are still attractive and collectible but are quite common. Daniel When I was learning about rocket post, this forum was one of my sources. How valuable or common it is doesn't matter to me, it's a fascinating piece of history worth sharing. Some dutch Hermann Oberth items from my collection.      |
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Post by daniel on Sept 9, 2024 23:36:22 GMT
These are nice covers. The Hermann Oberth-Gesellschaft is the Hermann Oberth Society, formerly known as the Deutsche Raketen Gesselschaft, the German Rocket Society.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2024 22:39:19 GMT
Anybody know anything about Fireside local post? This cover is absolutely tiny, probably about a quarter the size of a normal postcard, and the paper it's made of feels almost like tissue paper.  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 13, 2024 23:16:26 GMT
Thanks for your latest post, @clovermite I haven't seen this before, but I did live in Toledo, Ohio in the 1980s, and I have a stamp-collecting friend who used to live in Sylvania, which is an adjacent suburb. I will ask him if he has ever heard of the Sylvania Rocket Club before. In the meantime, we can also tag daveg28, who currently lives in the Toledo area to see if he has ever heard of it. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 13, 2024 23:56:08 GMT
Here's a quick follow-up, @clovermite I couldn't find anything on the Sylvania Rocket Club, but a search for Fireside Post yielded this item currently on eBay: www.ebay.com/itm/125899359910?msockid=0f0c6d6ff57867c028e47c4cf4c86640The similarity between the stamps is clear, so highly likely from the same source, which would seem to be a philatelic one. Just my opinion.... |
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Post by daniel on Sept 14, 2024 0:42:55 GMT
Anybody know anything about Fireside local post? This cover is absolutely tiny, probably about a quarter the size of a normal postcard, and the paper it's made of feels almost like tissue paper. They seem to have been mainly a local post, active from the late 1960s to the early1970s. The tissue type paper and smallness of size would be consistent with items carried as Rocket Mail payload with the stamp being applied later. Your cover is not listed in Ellington-Zwisler's Rocket Mail. Daniel |
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Post by daveg28 on Sept 14, 2024 12:47:40 GMT
Thanks for your latest post, @clovermite I haven't seen this before, but I did live in Toledo, Ohio in the 1980s, and I have a stamp-collecting friend who used to live in Sylvania, which is an adjacent suburb. I will ask him if he has ever heard of the Sylvania Rocket Club before. In the meantime, we can also tag daveg28, who currently lives in the Toledo area to see if he has ever heard of it. I do live in Toledo, and work in Sylvania. However, I have never heard of the Sylvania Rocket Club. Any chance it might have something to do with the University of Toledo, or is it an actual rocketry club? I’m quite intrigued by the story behind this cover. Sorry I can’t be more help. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2024 23:32:09 GMT
Anybody know anything about Fireside local post? This cover is absolutely tiny, probably about a quarter the size of a normal postcard, and the paper it's made of feels almost like tissue paper. They seem to have been mainly a local post, active from the late 1960s to the early1970s. The tissue type paper and smallness of size would be consistent with items carried as Rocket Mail payload with the stamp being applied later. Your cover is not listed in Ellington-Zwisler's Rocket Mail. Daniel I have seen Fireside items from as late as the 90s. They are often on eBay. I once found a listing that said Fireside Local Post was run by boy scouts, but I looked for further information, and found none. |
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Post by daniel on Sept 14, 2024 23:59:11 GMT
@clovermite , see here for the Boy Scout link |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 10:48:43 GMT
@clovermite , see here for the Boy Scout link Seems to just be a site for collecting stamps depicting scouts, rather than anything directly scout related. |
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Post by daniel on Sept 15, 2024 11:57:44 GMT
@clovermite , see here for the Boy Scout link Seems to just be a site for collecting stamps depicting scouts, rather than anything directly scout related. The link shows a Fireside Scout stamp. So, Fireside was not run by Boy Scouts, they just produced one such stamp or (essay). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 21:57:23 GMT
I like the stamp on this cover. It looks like something I would have drawn as a child, trying to design my own stamps.  |
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Post by daniel on Sept 26, 2024 16:27:52 GMT
A version of this cover was shown previously in this thread. In 1935 Karl Roberti had sought permission to launch a rocket from Sangatte, Calais to Dover, England but permission was refused. In Fact, his firework based rockets stood no chance of getting anywhere near England. Making the best of a bad lot, he stamped the covers with an explanation and sold them anyway. This is my second such cover but with different stamps. Above is a sheet of these stamps in different colours. Daniel  |
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