rod222
Member 
Posts: 11,114 
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 11, 2015 18:50:48 GMT
Stumped! 1902-1903 Colombia Scott Style "A86" I have 8 instances of this style existing (in all colours) Anyone able to assist in ID? Left to right 5c Perf 12 Blue / Buff ? 5c Imperf Blue/Blue Scott #285 major listing 5c Olive ? clearly a redrawn stamp, forgery? 5c Olive ? clearly a redrawn stamp, forgery? 5c Green / Blue Scott #268 major listing Thanks Update: Stanley Gibbons lists (As style 78) (Note: SG quotes perf 11¾ not 12 as Scott) 321 green / green 322 blue/blue 345 perf 11¾ blue/blue no mention of any stamp as green/blue  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 11, 2015 20:58:18 GMT
Hi Rodney
The 4 imperfs are type "1", the chain touches the Eagle's beak. In the type "2" the chain does not touch.
Rodney 2 (renamed from Miscellaneous) is forth coming in an e-mail. These values come in different shades, paper colors, perf, imperf, sewing machine, etc.
Now you can see why it is necessary to use a specialized catalog for Colombia.especially this era.
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 5:30:43 GMT
Hi Rodney The 4 imperfs are type "1", the chain touches the Eagle's beak. In the type "2" the chain does not touch. Rodney 2 (renamed from Miscellaneous) is forth coming in an e-mail. These values come in different shades, paper colors, perf, imperf, sewing machine, etc. Now you can see why it is necessary to use a specialized catalog for Colombia.especially this era. Jerry B Wicked ! ...or have a "Jerry" on the payroll  Note: Neither Scott or Gibbons indicate type 1 and 2 chain and beak. I am preparing my own check list for the 1908 (type of 1904" "Lit National" series) I'll post it later for your approval. Look forward to seeing your new *.pdf" ! |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 5:49:57 GMT
Colombia (Not Listed in Scott) The series Scott #411-416 "Emerald mine and others" Imprint "Waterlow" The differences in Flat Plate printing, and Rotogravure. (Hence 2 sets of the same series listed in Scott) Rotogravure is intaglio, or engraved plate on a cylinder, hence the resultant stamp will often be larger, than that of the "Flat Plate" press. Example, side by side, Flat Plate (left) Rotogravure (Rot) (right) The difference is about ½ mm in length, width remains constant. Thanks to TSF member Jerry Bodoff, for the intricacies of Colombia.  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 12, 2015 7:03:24 GMT
Hi Rodney
Challenge: In the 2 tables try to find every variety. I tried but gave up. I went through the store stock looking and found a few but it was tedious.
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 10:40:15 GMT
Hi Rodney Challenge: In the 2 tables try to find every variety. I tried but gave up. I went through the store stock looking and found a few but it was tedious. Jerry B Hello Jerry, I am not a "completionist", so that means nothing to me, personally. I am, however, a "completionist" within my stock holding. Firstly, one needs the very best catalogue of whatever discipline is focused on. Then, I mount whatever examples I have, and include a list of whatever SHOULD be available. What I am saying with my pages, "Here is what is listed as existing, this is what I have, you finish it" to the next caretaker. That's why I have no problem with gaps in my pages. What I regret, in the past, is selling on "duplicates" which could have been varieties with the right information at hand. This is the great appreciation I have with your information given to me on Colombia and Argentina  |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 11:53:38 GMT
Colombia 1908 - 1916 (Scott set of 6 basic stamps #325 -330) Type A94  Details of 32 varieties Actually the 2c die 1 is "Carmine" Die 2 is "Red"  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 12, 2015 12:37:23 GMT
Hi Rodney I have a specialized "mini" collection of this issue. There is a booklet by John Meyers "The Numeral Issues of Colombia". Some of the varieties one should have multiples since the spacing may be different which signifies a different printing. However, it may not be necessary if the guidelines are present. In addition to the imprints, one should also look at the staff at the left. Does the bottom of the staff point inwards or outwards. I'll put together a Rodney 3 and send it to you. Maybe I can convince you to collect Colombia  Jerry B |
|
|
|
Post by jimjung on Oct 12, 2015 14:43:10 GMT
Here is a stamp from Colombia that I kept because it has a odd marks in the right and left margin. Anyone know what these marks might be?  |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 15:15:37 GMT
I am running out of Colombia, I have some Air to mount, then off back to Argentina, Jerry Sorry. PS: the staff pointing "left or right" only deals with the 1904 set My Catalogue lists only the 1908 to 1916 stamps. I have a few 1904 issues but mainly a vacant page. I looked on ebay, I don't know how collectors buy off ebay? $1 a single stamp and $3 shipping. Goodness me. Give me club auctions any day.
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 15:23:38 GMT
Not here. Lithography, perhaps the stone or the plate was marked, or the paper picked up some ink, when the paper was lifted. Early Colombia stamps had the familiar "guide lines" for separation, it looks like a smudge from one of those. Nice Etiquette. Early Spanish Stamps evidence remarkable ink oddities, that to me, indicated perhaps the ink was cold or viscous, and left weird ink patterns on the vignettes. 1922 King Alfonso 13 recess Viscous Ink?  |
|
|
|
Post by jimjung on Oct 12, 2015 15:32:12 GMT
Not here. Lithography, perhaps the stone or the plate was marked, or the paper picked up some ink, when the paper was lifted. Early Colombia stamps had the familiar "guide lines" for separation, it looks like a smudge from one of those. Nice Etiquette. Early Spanish Stamps evidence remarkable ink oddities, that to me, indicated perhaps the ink was cold or viscous, and left weird ink patterns on the vignettes. Nice to know it's a Lithograph. The marks on the right look like they could be a Kiss Print from when the sheet was lifted from the plate but the marks on the left look like they were engraved on the plate because the edges of the marks are sharp. |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2015 21:50:19 GMT
Some incomplete Pages 1908 Steiner Page 21  1917 Steiner Page 22  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 13, 2015 5:12:48 GMT
Hi Rodney
It is not an etiquette it is a registration stamp.
It does look like ink smearing from the guide lines. It is not a rarity by any means and is really insignificant.
Don't feel bad. We have all done things we regret later. A few years ago, I believe it was Jim Cross, bought some covers for a reasonable price and later found that the covers were very rare and worth way more than what was paid. I am sure the dealer regrets not doing his homework.
BTW: The Gibbons part 20, South America, catalog has a nice synopsis of the 1904 and 1908 numeral types.
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2015 5:47:35 GMT
 Thanks for the heads up Jerry. Senior moment.
|
|
|
|
Post by jimjung on Oct 13, 2015 11:04:04 GMT
Jerry, oddly enough, it fits my Worldwide EFO collection perfectly !
|
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 13, 2015 18:57:15 GMT
Hi jimjung First off. Please spell the country name correctly (pet peeve of mine). It is Col Ombia and not ColUmbia.
How does a normal Registration stamp (Scott F20, 1904) fit into a Error, Freak and Oddity collection 
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2015 20:26:22 GMT
1957 Steiner Page 21  1966 Steiner Page 4  1966 Steiner Page 13 Colombia's only semi postal.  |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 14, 2015 10:33:57 GMT
Colombia The 5c 1908-1916 Die 1 and Die 2 Identification (Not Listed Scott) Die 1 is clear, Die 2 has an extra arch line as shown by the red arrow. (Other values dies ID are not available as yet, I do not have enough examples to show clearly) By identifying the 2 dies, one can compare the etchings of both examples, and begin to see differences all around the stamp, in the re-drawn plate. Look at the etching above "OS" in centavos, at bottom, .......looks like a fellows face, peeping from behind the value tablet.  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 14, 2015 13:55:25 GMT
Hi Rodney
I have to dig up my "mini" collection and scan the stamps. It has been awhile since I have looked at the numeral issues but I know I have examples of all the Types and Dies.
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2015 4:16:08 GMT
Colombia Department of BOLIVAR Sundry : (Not enough stamps to warrant mounting on Steiner Pages) Avis de Reception (AR) Stamp  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 23, 2015 11:23:12 GMT
Hi Rodney Interesting note about the stamps of Bolivar. Imperf block Lithographed Manhattan Banknote Company Ordered by Nicholas Seebeck Barriga (2 types) Ordinary White Paper 19a 5c blue imperf Bluish Laid Paper 24 5c blue imperf ----------------------------------------------------- | Scott | Barriga | Description | Perfs | | 34 | 34 | 1p orange | 12 |
| 34a |
| imperf |
| 34A |
| 16 x 12 | | 41 | 41 | 80c green | 12 |
| 41A |
| 16 x 12 | | 50 | 51 | 10c lilac | 12 |
| 51a |
| imperf |
| 51A |
| 16 x 12 | | 51 | 52 | 20c red | 12 |
| 52a |
| 1mperf |
| 52A |
| 16 x 12 |
Jerry B |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2015 15:00:47 GMT
Jerry BFabulous information Jerry Many thanks. (A keeper)
|
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 24, 2015 9:39:14 GMT
Hi Rodney
I just noticed:
Not correct:
AR = Acuse de Recibo Acknowledgment of receipt
R = Recomendado Registered
-- Retardo Late Fee
Jerry B
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 24, 2015 16:13:16 GMT
Hi Jerry,
with respect, may I debate that?
AR = Acuse de Recibo Acknowledgment of receipt same as "Avis de reception" just a difference in language?
|
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Oct 24, 2015 19:01:08 GMT
Hi Rodney Since the stamps are from Colombia (Bolivar) and since the main language is Spanish, Acuse de Recibo. If the stamps were French, or a French colony, then I would agree Avis de Reception. Jerry B |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Oct 24, 2015 22:16:18 GMT
Hi Rodney Since the stamps are from Colombia (Bolivar) and since the main language is Spanish, Acuse de Recibo. If the stamps were French, or a French colony, then I would agree Avis de Reception. Jerry B Right! I was using "U.P.U." language.......................... |
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 11,114
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Feb 14, 2016 3:26:25 GMT
Colombia Telegraph Stamps ID Not exhaustive. 1800's Credits : cjd (I think) for the Donald A J Byrum Catalogue, 1973, and thanks to Mr. Byrum PostmasterGS for the image deskew and crop software Corrections welcomed and other suggestions for cataloguing. Manuscript cancellations (aka "scratch cancels")  |
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Feb 14, 2016 8:41:21 GMT
Hi Rodney
Both Barriga and Temprano catalogs have a lot of Telegraphos and their varieties. I suggest mounting by date and series. For those you depict I will construct a mini table for you. Wait a bit.
Jerry B
|
|
Jerry B
Departed
Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
|
Post by Jerry B on Feb 14, 2016 10:19:00 GMT
Hi Rodney
I tried to match Barriga catalog numbers to Temprano numbers but, as usual, they are very different listings. Also, the illustrations in both catalogs leave a lot to be desired, so I hope I have this right.
ID Temprano Barriga Issued Paper Description
T03 18 3B 1884 blue 20c brown
23 3C 1885 white 20c brown
23a 1885 white 20c brown, perf 12
28 3E 1886 blue 20c brown
3F 1886 white 20c yellow brown
28a 1886 blue 20c red brown
T08 33 8 1888 light yellow 50c black
33a grayish 50c black, thin paper
T10 35 10 1891 straw 10c brown
35a 1891 yellow 10c red brown
T11 36 1891 white 20c blue
11 1891 bluish 20c blue
11A 1891 rose 20c blue
T12 40 1896 salmon 10c brown
40a 1896 salmon 10c brown,perf 12
40b 1896 salmon 10c red brown
12 1896 light brown 10c brown
T13 41 13 1896 bluish 20 blue
41a 13B 1896 green 20c ultramarine
41b 13A 1896 green 20c blue
T17 45 17 1901 blue 20c blue
45a 1901 green 20c blue
45b 1901 lilac 20c blue
45c 17A 1901 blue 20c blue, perf 12
45d 17B 1901 green 20c blue, perf 12
45e 1901 rose 20c blue, perf 12
45f 1901 rose 20c blue,tête bêche
45g 1901 rose 20c blue
17C 1905 greenish blue 20c blue
Jerry B
|
|
