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Post by rod222 on Feb 14, 2016 13:42:32 GMT
Hi Rodney I tried to match Barriga catalog numbers to Temprano numbers but, as usual, they are very different listings. Also, the illustrations in both catalogs leave a lot to be desired, so I hope I have this right. Thanks for your work on my behalf, Jerry. FYI This is the image quality of Mr. Byrum , the images of the 1880 are not much better than a smudge.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 14, 2016 14:09:25 GMT
Hi Rodney
The only decent images, when you find telegraphs, seem to be on MercadoLibre (Latin eBay).
I have to apologize. I used "code" option to display the table, therefore it is spread out.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 25, 2016 2:52:01 GMT
Are any members able to translate "Habilitacion" is some sensible reference to Colombian philately ? I failed. 1871 Sc#68 2c Suggest Forgery (See ID hints in Scott under this stamp catalogue sequence) see below Department : Cundinamarca Revenue : Cigarettes Leprosy Aid benefit.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 25, 2016 2:54:44 GMT
1901 Revenue Triangular Habilitacion Forbin #22 60c Salmon.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 25, 2016 8:44:37 GMT
Hi Rodney Re: 1870 2c brown, From Earee's Album Weeds: Genuine
Lithographed on paper very similar to that of the 1 centavo just described. There are two small scrolls in the top corners of the stamp, containing the motto; the left-hand scroll bears the word LIBERTAD, the right-hand one has ORDEN. These words are very distinct, and will be found a very easy test for the genuine. In each of the bottom corners there is a figure 2, with a dot before it, another after it, and a third beneath it (‘ * ‘). The spears bearing the flags are very distinct. Quite a third of the left-hand flag—the third nearest to the spear or flag-staff—is covered all over with little dark dots. The letters MB of COLOMBIA are only joined at the bottom, and the head- stroke of the 1 of that word is so very wide, that it might be mistaken for a T. The stop after NACIONALES is circular. Forged
Lithographed, on thickish, white wove paper, rather harder than the genuine. The word LIBERTAD in the left-hand top corner is totally illegible, and the word ORDEN in the right-hand top corner seems to be “ORGIA.” There is no dot after the 2 in the left-hand bottom corner, and none either before or after the 2 in the right-hand bottom corner. The inscription reads EF . UU., instead of F.E. UU. Each flagstaff is formed by one single line, instead of two. The part of the left-hand flag nearest to the staff is quite white, instead of being dotted. The letters MB of COLOMBIA are joined both top and bottom, and the head-stroke of the I is not at all abnormally wide, so that it could not possibly be mistaken for a T. The stop after NACIONALES is oval and misshapen. According to Earee's description the stamp you have, in my opinion, is real. It is probably from a worn lithograph stone. Upper left corner Libertad, upper right Ordan Lower left and right corners all 2's have dots before, below and after Inscription is EE. UU.COLOMBIA Spear characteristics hard to see on scan. The stop after NACIONALES is circular FYI: I wrote a thread, I thought, as to where to download a copy of Album Weeds. I cannot seem to find it.
The triangular stamp is definitely a revenue. According to the Velázquez dictionary, Habilitacion translates to qualification (did not like Google's translation of competence). I did find these: www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/colombia-revenues-30c-triangular-292372804 www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/colombia-1904-revenue-triangular-135114421www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/colombia-1911-revenue-triangular-135118718Therefore, using the translation of qualification makes sense. I hope this helps somewhat. Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Feb 25, 2016 11:46:53 GMT
Jerry BG'day Jerry, thanks for your extended response, much obliged. Not often I get a genuine over a forgery. Yes, I had qualification as a translation, you'll have to humour me, I still don't understand (askphil has no explanation) Does this mean the document with the stamp aboard, is some how validated? is that what it means? PS: My revenue, and the worthpoint, has the same rubber stamp cancellation / authorisation.
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Post by smauggie on Feb 25, 2016 13:32:40 GMT
I have been following this thread with some interest. I have been considering collecting Colombia off an on for years.
As to "habilitado" the base world is "habilitar" which means to enable. Postage and revenue stamps of Latin America were set to be used for a specific time period, after which the stamp could no longer be used by the public. In some cases, when stamps of a particular denomination were not available, old stamps which were left over were re-enabled, or habilitado for use again, usually (but not always) with a value change. To signify that these stamps were now legal again to be used for postage, the overprint of "habilitado" was placed on the stamps along with any possible rate changes.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 25, 2016 15:08:28 GMT
Hi smauggie Bite the bullet and go for it. You wouldn't be sorry. It is an interesting country (and a beautiful country). Your explanation of "habilitado" was very nicely explained. Regarding the "Habilitacion" actually printed as part of the stamp. I did not note that I did find a couple of GoogleBooks that had a Decreto, law, for a stamp inscribed (not an overprint) "Habilitacion" to be used for passports. The law was for Panama, which at this time, 1901- 1902, was still a state/department of Colombia. Therefore, I am assuming that a stamp such as this was attached to a document or passport to make it "official". I could be wrong and I am still looking as the question intrigues me. If you speak Spanish and would want to translate a couple Decretos, or whatever, let me know. My wife is Colombian and can translate but right now she is busy and cannot do it. My sister-in-law says my Spanish is like that of a French cow Jerry B
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Post by smauggie on Feb 25, 2016 15:53:19 GMT
Hi smauggie It is an interesting country (and a beautiful country). I have been to Colombia twice. Once to Bogota via Medellin and once to Cartagena via Barranquilla. The countryside of Medellin is so beautiful and idyllic. It is so sad that the country is at war. In Bogota there were soldiers with guns everywhere, but they seemed to keep the peace.
I might be able to devote some time to translations after the first weekend in March.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 25, 2016 16:09:47 GMT
Hi smauggie
We have been a few times. Today the airfare for 2 people, from Atlanta, is ridiculous. When we get there we save a lot of money, however, because we stay with my wife's cousin in Bogota and the family doesn't let us spend a centavo. Boyaca, where my wife grew up (Tunja), is really beautiful. If you are not a native, or with natives, it might not be a good idea to go out of a major city. Even though the FARC have made "peace" they are still fighting. In the airport it is a little disconcerting with the Police and Army standing around with loaded UZIs.
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Post by AirmailEd on Feb 25, 2016 17:16:33 GMT
I have been following this thread with some interest. I have been considering collecting Colombia off an on for years. As to "habilitado" the base world is "habilitar" which means to enable. Postage and revenue stamps of Latin America were set to be used for a specific time period, after which the stamp could no longer be used by the public. In some cases, when stamps of a particular denomination were not available, old stamps which were left over were re-enabled, or habilitado for use again, usually (but not always) with a value change. To signify that these stamps were now legal again to be used for postage, the overprint of "habilitado" was placed on the stamps along with any possible rate changes. Hope that helps. An example: El Salvador C36-40 & C41-45
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 1:54:08 GMT
1899 Steiner page 9
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 3, 2016 5:49:03 GMT
Hi Rodney
In case you want to make a note: Row 4, item 4 1p blue on green paper perf 13.5 Right foot of 1 square Barriga 142b
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 5:55:38 GMT
Jerry B I do not understand"Right foot of 1 square" sorry. I have just secured that stamp yesterday, nice to have a clear one. Can you expand please? Solved Here is the stamp that was replaced, the foot of the numeral "1" is slanted /thinned. Thanks a bunch, Jerry. (Great 20/20 Vision) Noted: Lots of "Pelure paper" issues during this epoch.
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 3, 2016 6:12:36 GMT
Hi Rodney The big stamp:1p blue on green paper perf 13.5 Right foot of 1 ends in a point Barriga 142 Not really. There are only 2 that are noted in Barriga. Note: Pelure, or silk paper, in Spanish: Papel de SedaFrom the same issue as row 1, item 2. ------------------------------------ Ba = Alvaro Barriga catalog Lithographed: Demetrio Paredes Perf 13.5 10c orange | (1886) | Ba115 | gray paper | Ba115d
| gray pelure paper | Ba115f | gray watermarked paper | Ba115A | 10c yellow |
20c violet | REPULICA DE COLOMBIA (1887) | BA116 | gray paper | Ba116A | white paper | Ba116B | lilac paper | Ba116Ba | lilac pelure paper |
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| 20c violet | REPUBLICA DE COLOMBIA (1889)
| Ba117 | gray paper | Ba117A | white paper | Ba117B | lilac paper | Ba117Bb | lilac pelure paper |
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Post by renden on Aug 1, 2021 17:24:29 GMT
Trying to find my "given" COLOMBIA stamps - Anyone out there can help me - I did go through the giveaways - Thanks !!
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Post by paul1 on Jun 7, 2022 15:37:22 GMT
The reason for posting these three is their size - or rather lack of (but forgot to include a size indicator so apologies the picture lacks scale), and presumably qualify as bantams - date wise they're from the period 1948 - 1952. Since I don't have the relevant catalogues, I've taken the Nos. from STAMPWORLD, for which my thanks and assume they're Scott Nos. From the left these are ........... Small deep blue 5c. (No. 523) from 1948 showing the Post Office Building, printed by Waterlow & Sons ........... this really is small - measures 19w. x 13.5h mm, compared to a S.A. bantam at 25 x 16 mm. Slate blue 1c. (No. 619) from 1952 with image of Ezequiel Uriocoecha, and again printed by Waterlow - this is a bit bigger. finally An overprinted 1c. (No. 620) from 1952 - stamp is from an earlier issue I think and overprinted with CORREOS (post ?) - again showing the Post Office Building - printed by American Bank Note Co. No. idea if all issues were farmed out to ABCo, or whether Waterlow were still involved after the early 1950s. Might the first bantam qualify as one of the smallest of recent decades, or are there yet smaller still examples?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 7, 2022 15:52:58 GMT
Thanks for your post, paul1. Jerry B is our resident expert in Colombia, so let's see if he can comment. Bob ( anglobob), are you knowledgeable in this area?
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Post by anglobob on Jun 7, 2022 17:36:07 GMT
@beryllium Guy Sorry,Chris.....I am not knowledgeable in this area either.......I was given the opportunity to buy a Colombian collection but my wife talked me out of it.....said I had enough collections !!!! So for the sake of healthy Anglo-Ecuadorian relations ,I decided to pass on the offer................ Anglobob
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 7, 2022 18:10:53 GMT
No problem, Bob ( anglobob), I totally understand. I just thought I would take a chance and ask. Let’s see if Jerry ( Jerry B) responds….
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Post by Jerry B on Jun 7, 2022 19:29:25 GMT
Hi paul1
None of the stamps are rare, scarce maybe, but not rare.
Following is the information from both Alvaro Barriga 1983 and Scott 2023: ============================================================== Stamp 1 Engraved Waterlow and Sons, London Perf 12
Scott 601 Barriga 884 ============================================================== Stamp 2 Doctors of Colombia Engraved Waterlow and Sons, London Perf 11.5 Note: Sheet of 100 in blocks of 25 for each doctor
Scott Barriga 597 882 Dr. Osorio 598 883 Dr. Martinez 599 881 Dr. Uricoechea 600 880 Dr. Lombana ============================================================== Stamp 3 Engraved American Banknote Company Perf 12 Note: Overprinted Postal Tax [Scott RA33] for Regular Postage
Scott 562 Barriga 755 ==============================================================
If you want Leo Temprano nunbers and/or Stanley Gibbons, just request via pm.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 7, 2022 21:23:41 GMT
Hi Jerry - massive thanks for your additional information, and will certainly give you a bell if I need the Temprano or SG details, thanks also for the correct catalogue Nos. I wondered if there was a particular reason why there was a change from Waterlow to American Banknote Co., and if the two Waterlow printings here were the last for the British Co.
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Post by Jerry B on Jun 8, 2022 7:18:19 GMT
Hi paul1
You are welcome.
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Post by darkormex on Jan 8, 2023 0:11:26 GMT
A couple of weeks ago I decided to print Steiner pages for Colombia to continue working on stamps from the countries of Central and South America. I have accumulated many Colombian stamps from the 1940s to 60s so that is the time period I focused on. None of the pages ended up being full or close to full so I am just going to show a couple of items that I like as well as my pre-1940 items which I have cataloged but haven't mounted yet. I suspect that the Steiner pages for the earlier time would not have been anywhere near full if I had chosen to print those pages instead. So, I am going to show my older stamps as well...which will be a project for the future. I could not mount this UPU miniature sheet, Sc. C199 because I don't have the proper size mounts. This was actually received in one of the first giveaways I won here on the Stamp Forum. It came on an APS stamp store submission form. It is not a high value item but it is a nice addition to my Colombia collection nonetheless. I thought this stamp is really attractive. It was issued with the overprint in December of 1953 for the 2nd National Philatelic Exhibition in Bogota. This is Sc. no. 618. The two stock pages of pre-1940 stamps from Colombia have been accumulated over several years from collections I have purchased. A pretty meager collection right now that I will have to grow and work on later.
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Post by darkormex on Jan 9, 2023 11:55:00 GMT
I found these two inexpensive eBay lots of Colombian airmail stamps from the time period I have been working on. Both should arrive later this week. The majority are not dupes for me. 1945-1953 Colombia Air Post Stamp Collection Used 1952-1957 Colombia Air Post Stamp Collection Used
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Post by anilkhemlani on Jan 27, 2024 8:35:20 GMT
Sharing some stamps from 1899 from ANTIOQUIA , which is now part of Colombia. there are 11 stamps in the series.
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Post by millersville on Feb 20, 2024 4:52:15 GMT
I found this issue in a packet of Colombia stamps, suspecting it may be a private post, but have not been able to find it referenced. Can a member identify the stamp?
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Post by franoise on Feb 20, 2024 5:18:38 GMT
Estado Soberano de Cundinamarca. But I don't know that stamp
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Post by rod222 on Feb 20, 2024 6:27:35 GMT
I found this issue in a packet of Columbia stamps, suspecting it may be a private post, but have not been able to find it referenced. Can a member identify the stamp? Not seen anywhere, in my references. At this stage, I would have it as a "Phantasy" stamp It is nowhere near the quality of most Cundinamarca issues. Klasebouer shows some fairly poor provisionals of 1883 None similar to yours. and adds "A few other, extremely rare provisionals also exist" All with text "provisiorios" or similar, and in mainly older extravagant font. Literature Alan D. Angon, 1883 – The Typeset Provisionals of Cundinamarca, 1972 Howard Frome, Manuscript Cancels of Cundinamarca, 1993 Dieter Bortfeldt, The workbook: notes on reprints and forgeries of Colombian stamps. Part II, The sovereign states of Colombia, Antioquia, Bolivar, Boyacá, Cundinamarca, Tolima and Panamá, Colombian Philatelic Research Society, Bogota, 2007
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Post by doug534 on Jul 8, 2024 21:34:06 GMT
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