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Post by cjd on Aug 2, 2013 4:45:57 GMT
Early Austria includes stamps of Emperor Franz Josef that might require you to identify between fine and coarse printing. Once you've seen a few, it is easier to distinguish them. Usually. While looking for some coat of arms to post, I noticed these two side by side, and they give a pretty good example of the differences. Primarily, check out the laurel leaves, hair and whiskers. These are from the Austria Offices in the Turkish Empire but the analysis is similar for Austria proper: A coarse print, with a Candia, Crete cancel: 
[Scott 4]
And a fine print, used in Constantinople:
[Scott 7F] In the blue color, the differences are particularly easy to pick out. |
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 2, 2013 5:21:50 GMT
Very nice comparison!
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Post by rod222 on Aug 2, 2013 7:49:20 GMT
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Post by cjd on Aug 2, 2013 13:40:45 GMT
Here is another one to practice with, using rod's gif as a helper. A 5 soldi used in Salonica/Thessaloniki (Salonicco in Italian):  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 2, 2013 14:01:56 GMT
Can be tough when the hair lines on the nape of the neck, and the beard are somewhat hidden.
1. Clearly delineated ear line
2. no curve line under eye
3. long top eyebrow line.
I'm going for fine print. you?
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Post by BC on Aug 2, 2013 14:23:08 GMT
Great cancels, cjd! Please send them to me.  |
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Post by jkjblue on Aug 2, 2013 15:53:09 GMT
I would go fine print too. Rod's comment about the eye curve line and the long eyebrow line are just the tips I'm looking for. The problem I have with these stamps is sometimes I equate heavy impression/light impression with course print/fine print. I would prefer more defined clues, which Rod provided!
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Post by BC on Aug 2, 2013 18:01:22 GMT
I say fine too.
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Post by ramanandn on Sept 4, 2013 16:04:53 GMT
Thanks for that tip (giff) Rod. Those differences don't look so obvious at 11pm.. sigghhhh
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 4, 2013 16:54:51 GMT
Would anyone like some additional practice?  |
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Post by ramanandn on Sept 4, 2013 18:40:44 GMT
Steve,
Coarse, coarse, fine?
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Post by rod222 on Sept 4, 2013 23:43:52 GMT
I'm with Ram, only based on the curve under the eye. I gotta say, even with "Rod's easy detector"  it's still a tough job, As with Recess V litho, I like to get the Loupe on them, these scans are really not deep enough. When you see the raised ink through a Loupe, you know all about recess printing. Here, it's still a bit of a juggle, I equate with jkblue, ink deposit can sometimes have you thinking differently. Perhaps "practice, practice practice" will assist. I tried that route with Travancore's Watermarks, but gave up in the end. I surrendered. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 5, 2013 2:27:28 GMT
I've identified them as Coarse (type I), Coarse (type II) and Fine (type III). I had to rely upon the type characteristics of the lower left arabesques to make the call. Below are the note in the 2009 Scott catalog describing the three types and an image of each stamps' lower left corner:   Assuming that I've correctly identified them, they are, from left to right, Scott 29a (type I), Scott 29 (type II) and Scott 36 (type III). |
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Post by ramanandn on Sept 5, 2013 2:50:20 GMT
Will have to check out that note w.r.t the ornament. A little tough in the first case with the heavy cancel.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 5, 2013 3:00:48 GMT
Great work Steve. Now, if we were to appear real techy Philatelists, we could identify the positions using the Thirkell Position Gauge. I have never seen one used on a stamp forum before  |
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 5, 2013 3:15:41 GMT
I can't help (yet) with the Thirkell Position Gauge so we'll have to settle for Irfanview arrows for the time being. Type I  Type II  Type III  |
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 5, 2013 5:34:09 GMT
Boy, those arrows really helped. I was having a difficult time orienting myself to the written description. The 5 kr gives additional clues depending on the type. Type I or II are found with coarse printing. Type III with fine printing. Too bad the other denominations don't offer types too- then the coarse/ fine determination would be easier.  Thanks for the quiz and the results- that was fun. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 5, 2013 13:44:07 GMT
...I was having a difficult time orienting myself to the written description... In the interest of full disclosure, I also had difficulty making sense out of the note. |
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Post by ramanandn on Sept 5, 2013 18:33:15 GMT
Yellow arrows make way more sense than a thousand words apparently  |
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Post by BC on Sept 5, 2013 19:36:38 GMT
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Post by BC on Sept 5, 2013 19:55:42 GMT
Type 1 Coarse, used in Fiume  Type 2 3 Fine, used in Brux  |
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 5, 2013 22:25:15 GMT
Using Scott's typology, the Brux-canceled stamp would be a type III.
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Post by BC on Feb 8, 2016 16:20:16 GMT
I just noticed this from back in 2013. Thanks Steve.
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Post by BC on Feb 12, 2016 6:40:11 GMT
I finally obtained an example of the 5k that clearly shows Type I. The three points at the bottom actually make it look like a tiny dinosaur.  It is also a coarse print. Here it is in a full 600ppi:  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 21:20:04 GMT
  Left coarse beard Mi4 Ia, Right fine beard Mi4 IIa So both of your samples appear to be fine beard. There are color variations in the 10sld. However the one on cover appears to not be the 9.5 basic perf?? There is a 10.5 worth more and a 10.5X9 worth a lot more - 150 times more The perfs are not exact. Plus quite a few more varieties as the demand required the use of a variety of line perf machines A set is posted HERE |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 13, 2016 17:50:43 GMT
Thank you very much Nelson, I spent a couple of hours reading about the coarse and fine issues. I am now more confused than I was before. The information given by www.austrianphilately.com/gurahon/index.htm is somehow contradicting to what the forum suggests. So, I think the best way to tackle my questions, if you agree, is to post the images of the postage stamps that I am not sure what issue they are, and members of the Forum could express their views. I shall make even better images (scanned at more than 600 dpi) and upload them one by one. (Could a member of the forum help me on how to upload images in a thread?) Best wishes Nikos |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 14, 2016 8:02:29 GMT
Hello to all, Here is my first trial  Regardless the handstamp date, what issue do you think these are? coarse or fine? Nikos |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 14, 2016 8:11:50 GMT
Here is another 10 soldi stamp  Coarse or fine whiskers? Nikos |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 14, 2016 8:28:20 GMT
Here is another 10 soldi stamp Disregard the date on the stamp.  Coarse or fine whiskers? Nikos |
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it's still a tough job,
It is also a coarse print.
