tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on May 30, 2017 0:43:38 GMT
I'd love to be able to answer your question but the truth is that I don't know how these were intended to be used and neither does it appear that anyone else knows for sure. There was no sales tax on purchases of 9 cents or less. These probably appeared in late 1934 or very early in 1935 when everyone knew that the new sales tax was coming and most of the details about how it would be handled were known but it hadn't yet taken effect. These tokens were not sanctioned by the State of Ohio and likely were the brainchild of token manufacturers who saw an opportunity for increased sales. Both Doersam's and the Wheel Cafe had been using merchant tokens before passage of the sales tax law so it is conceivable that their vendor(s) produced these in anticipation of possible use. Recall that the Doersam's token exists with "tax pre-paid" obliterated so at some point it became clear that the tokens were not compliant with Ohio's system (which is described at the front of this thread and in the current newsletter ). It is quite likely that these tokens may not have been used to include the tax even though they are listed as such. Dean describes them as "sales tax tokens" because previous reference material did so (i.e., Chits, M&D); however, he stipulates that "we really don't know with certainty that any of these actually were used in such a way that any sales tax was ever paid on the tokens by either the merchant or the customer." I hope this explanation hasn't muddied the waters.
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Post by Anping on May 30, 2017 0:54:14 GMT
Thanks for your reply. I'll have to read more about the whole subject when I can (I'm still trying to find that darned RFC cover for the TSF Newsletter).
I do see the attraction to the Ohio paper PSTR's. You've posted some lovely examples.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 8, 2017 15:15:43 GMT
It has been almost six months since I've been able to acquire something new for my Ohio prepaid sales tax receipt collection. Notice that the printer's imprint is missing the "land" in "Cleveland." Dean has classified this receipt as RE-2c-9Aa.
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mikeclevenger
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What I collect: Ohio Tax Stamps, Ohio & Georgia Revenues, US Revenues, US FDC's, & Germany Classics
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Post by mikeclevenger on Nov 22, 2017 10:16:08 GMT
I love the number labels. I have been trying to figure out what to use for my labels, mine are still hand written. Can you tell me which size labels you are using? I am using an old Scott 2 post brown album with eagle on front for my OSTS collection and the old Scott stock pages to make it easy, unfortunately, they aren't cheap. Thanks, Mike.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 22, 2017 11:47:31 GMT
I just use the small Avery return address labels and affix them to pieces of 3x5 card that I've cut to size. This allows me to easily move the stamps and their labels around as new material is added. The pages I've been using are Prinz stock sheets.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Dec 24, 2017 2:17:29 GMT
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Dec 24, 2017 2:36:19 GMT
Strobridge Lithograph Company (Six Cents)Strobridge produced 6 cent receipts for the first major design type. Dean has identified 2 types with 2 varieties (ST-6c-1 & ST-6c-2). I have figured out why some have the name and some don't. I have received two stacks of 100 of these in the last year, both times, only the first stamp has the Strobridge name on it. No other stamps in the stacks have the name, which means there are only 1 out of 100 with the name imprint on them. I have already told Monte Deane about this. I just got lucky buying large lots to discover this.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Dec 30, 2017 22:20:56 GMT
I just bought a lot of 69 Merrick 30 cent design type 3 stamps that were produced in the early 1950s. The serial numbers range consecutively from ABG63700 to ABG63768. Eight of the stamps within the lot had two Dean-classified major error types: major perforation misalignment (F) and major serial number misalignment (G). The serial numbers of the stamps with these errors end in 00, 02, 04, 14, 47, 51, 54 and 58. I have no idea how these seemingly intermittent errors may have occurred so I will seek the opinion of the Oracle of OSTS (@moxking ) to see if he can shed any light.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jan 4, 2018 13:22:36 GMT
WOW, awesome find. I haven't bought that large of a lot in awhile now. I did recently get a 1000 count $15.00 box top & bottom in really good shape. That is the second box I own, the first being a large 10,000 count 1 cent Columbian box lid only. I didn't even realize that I had the box lid at first, because I bought it full of 100 count entire booklets. I bought the lot for the booklets and never paid attention to the box they were in until one day it was sitting here and I happened to look at it. I did recently buy a few small lots and got about 6 out of 10 that I needed in one of them. I even got a rare CO-3c-9C. But, so goes the hunt for the Ohio Tax Stamps. Mike.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 28, 2018 22:01:27 GMT
During my previously mentioned trip to see family friends in Paris at the start of this month, among the stamps I found in our friend's father's collection were three examples of State of Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax stamps. Despite the best efforts and generosity of tomiseksj and mikeclevenger, I still know very little about these stamps. So, I am posting a photo taken of these three examples that I could find in our friend's father's collection. I have not had the time to determine if these stamps are anything different from what has already been posted before on this thread, but these did end up all the way in France, and have been here for a long time, probably around 60-70 years or so. Any comments about the identities of these stamps would be greatly appreciated.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on May 29, 2018 16:55:02 GMT
...Any comments about the identities of these stamps would be greatly appreciated. Chris ( Beryllium Guy ), Those consumer receipts are from 3 of the 7 printers used by Ohio to produce their OSTS. The one cent printed by Columbian Bank Note Company is classified by Dean as CO-1c-2B (white paper, monocolor, dark blue, no control letter or serial number, perf. 12.5, small Ohio watermark). The two cent printed by Reserve Lithograph Company is either RE-2c-1A or RE-2c-1B (both are buff paper, monocolor, orange/red, no control letter or serial number, perf. 12.5, small Ohio watermark). On 1A, the printer's impression measures 14mm in length and is located 1mm below the frame line; on 1B, the PI is 15mm in length and located .5mm below the frame line. The one shown appears to be RE-2c-1A but a measurement is needed to confirm. The sixty cent printed by Superior Printing and Lithograph Company is SU-60c-1 (buff paper, magenta print color, blue inset color, no control letter or serial number, roulette 9.5, small Ohio watermark). Because they are the consumer receipt portion of the whole, it is most likely that they have actually been used; halves are of minimal value.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 29, 2018 18:45:53 GMT
...Any comments about the identities of these stamps would be greatly appreciated. Those consumer receipts are from 3 of the 7 printers used by Ohio to produce their OSTS. Because they are the consumer receipt portion of the whole, it is most likely that they have actually been used; halves are of minimal value. Steve, thanks so much for your detailed response. When I checked your and Mike's ( mikeclevenger ) earlier posts, I noted that the stamps belonging to my friend were missing one-half of the full piece. This is a bit as I had suspected it would be, but I do appreciate getting the correct info to share with my friend and his family. Thanks again!
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jun 8, 2018 13:25:18 GMT
Well, today was my lucky day on Ebay. I got a "Wheel Cafe" Ohio Tax Token for $50. It seems like a lot, I know, but these are impossible to find. I have been searching Ebay every day for a year or so now for one of these, and this is the first one I have seen for sale. The price is also the lowest I have ever heard of anyone paying for one, so I feel lucky today. It was listed for $7 bid or $50 buy it now, and I just knew if i tried to bid, it would cost me over $50 to get it, so I just paid the price. It isn't a stamp, but it is considered part of the Ohio Tax Collection, so I bought it. Steve wrote about these earlier in this thread.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 8, 2018 14:04:48 GMT
Congratulations, Mike! Had you not gone the BIN route, I'm certain the final hammer price would have been well above $50 -- I lost the only one I'd ever seen that sold for over $90. Do you have the Doersam's Clock?
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jun 9, 2018 11:17:38 GMT
I do not have the Doersam's Clock, just because I haven't felt like buying it yet. There is a decent one on Ebay for $44 and 2 worse ones for $50. I think I may just go buy it today. But, you are not going to believe what I found today. I found an actual image of the Podge Y's token. I was searching Google for any other Doersam,s token out there, found some pictures at a website and then put in Podge Y's on that web page, and up popped the token. It was sold on Ebay in 2012 but the price was blocked without membership, so I don't know what it sold for. I already sent the image to Monte Deane. For those of you who don't know, this token was only known to exist because of a paper rubbing someone made of it many years ago, and there was no actual image of this token, even in the Ohio Tax Stamp book. Here is an actual image:
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 19, 2018 14:23:31 GMT
My meager Ohio State Punch Card collection has just increased by one third thanks to the generosity of TSF member mikeclevenger . This card, an Ohio SPC4 from The Scott - Burr Stores Corporation, has taken its place in my album. Scott -Burr Stores were incorporated, per opencorporates.com, December 29, 1933 and their dissolution occurred on Jun 30, 1937. While the card may appear a little rough around the edges, I think it is in quite good shape considering it was something removed from and reinserted into a wallet or purse each time its holder made a purchase at one of the Scott - Burr stores. This card reflects 19 cents were paid in taxes on purchases totaling roughly $6.33.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jul 31, 2018 9:09:48 GMT
Well, I got lucky this week on Ebay and got these two stamps for my book. This is the first of this type I have been able to find in the last several years searching Ebay every day. The good part was that it was listed with a bunch of old Top Value Stamp books. The seller had a stapled stack of the Ohio Sales stamps, but was only showing the top stamp, so I asked him for more pictures. When he sent the pictures to me showing these two stamps, I bought it right then for $5. There was also another 3 cent stamp that I needed so it was just a bonus in the deal.
Steve, Unfortunately for you, this is the same one you already have. LOL.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 31, 2018 12:35:16 GMT
Congratulations on your find, Mike -- you rarely see those so you were quite fortunate. You've provided yet another example of why it pays to ask!
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Aug 2, 2018 8:29:10 GMT
Thanks Steve, I have also found 2 more for you lately, RE-6c-1B & RE-6c-2Aa. I still have envelopes that I had went through before I started pulling out what you needed, so I always check everything I look through against your list also. I keep a small glassine marked Steve and just add them as I find them. I'll send after I find a few more.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Aug 5, 2018 10:55:18 GMT
Well, between all of us, I think we have seen most of the Ohio Tax Stamps and things that go along with them. Steve posted his collection of the actual stamps. I have posted pictures of all three Ohio Tax Tokens, one of which is the first actual picture of the Podge Y's token. The one thing we have not posted is the Ohio Sales Tax Punch Cards. The Ohio Sales Tax Punch Cards we used to pay the taxes on your purchases just like the tax stamps. Here is my personal collection of the Ohio Sales Tax Punch Cards. Just so you understand, these were used every day and carried in pocket, purses, or your wallet. That is why they don't always look good and the punch holes don't help to preserve the cards. Some of my cards are the only known example with certain store stamps on them. These cards are one of the only collectibles that I know of, where condition doesn't matter at all, most of the time. If you don't have it in your collection, you better buy it no matter what the condition, because you may never see another one like it. The newer ones, from the big chain stores, are easier to find and do cost less. These have gotten more expensive lately, as I can personally attest to. LOL.
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Post by ronbreznay on Aug 24, 2018 14:49:27 GMT
I just read an interesting article on this subject in the July-August 2008 issue of The Canadian Philatelist. The issue is available online ( www.rpsc.org/tcp/cp1950.php) if you haven't read it.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Nov 12, 2018 10:14:55 GMT
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 12, 2018 13:33:48 GMT
Mike, the CEG^ receipts could be examples of the "star" notes that Monte discusses in Chapter 8 of his work -- substitutions for sheets that had printing errors.
Absent definitive info on when/how the serial numbers were applied, we'll likely never have the answer.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Nov 14, 2018 3:01:34 GMT
Well, I kinda figured that, but they changed the letters too. That's what has me thrown off. From CEAC to CEG^. Since I have 3 of the 10 sets with those letters, it does show that they did redo the entire sheets, which I am sure were messed up.
On another note, on Ebay this week someone has listed an entire sealed box of $1.50 stamps. It is the same series of letters that I have 6 of the boxes, and Monte Dean shows as the sealed box in the book. That accounts for 8 of the 10 boxes with that letter sequence. I am just wondering how much I am going to have to pay for that dang box. LOL. Monte has 1000, I have 2,3,4,7,8,9000, and the 5000 is on Ebay now. How is it that these boxes have all survived intact? Added Note Later: I forgot to bid on the box of stamps!
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Nov 28, 2018 10:42:42 GMT
Here is an example of a pair of CO-1c-7Ba that I acquired this week on Ebay. It does pay to make stupid offers on high priced items on Ebay because sometimes people will sell it to you cheap if they aren't a stamp collector. Seller wanted $699 for this pair and I offered a stupid, ridiculously low, low price and he took it, didn't even counter off which amazed me. The top stamp is a regular complete printing stamp and the lower picture is of course the error stamp.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 28, 2018 14:44:57 GMT
Mike, Nice find! I think the Dean categorization for that error would be CO-1c-7B (C) with the (C) error type being no inset color. Here is the counterpart to your error block, a CO-1c-7B (K) (1x2) -- inset color only.
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 28, 2018 15:12:50 GMT
What happened to "Quality Control" when those were being printed?
Wow!
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 28, 2018 18:05:26 GMT
What happened to "Quality Control" when those were being printed? Wow! These blocks were either fabricated by the Columbian Bank Note Company for use in their "demo" books, are from printer's waste, or are a direct consequence of good quality control as they were never placed in service. Finding a receipt that was missing its insert or print color in a book that had been issued would be an example of poor quality control.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Nov 29, 2018 12:26:18 GMT
Mike, Nice find! I think the Dean categorization for that error would be CO-1c-7B (C) with the (C) error type being no inset color. Here is the counterpart to your error block, a CO-1c-7B (K) (1x2) -- inset color only. WOW. I have an entire 6 cent with serial number that looks like this and a 2 cent half, that was used, with the serial number after it to go with it. I have never seen the one you have. Great stamp Steve.
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mikeclevenger
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Post by mikeclevenger on Dec 4, 2018 12:08:03 GMT
Well, got another large lot of Ohio tax Stamps today, even got a few pairs.
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