salentin
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Post by salentin on Jun 20, 2022 9:04:18 GMT
I like this one,issued July 3rd,2014. There maybe more german stamps,I am not aware of,where the design extends onto the selvage.
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Jun 21, 2022 13:26:12 GMT
Not the nicest cut,but my absolute favourite of a stamp with selvage. Issued 1856.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 21, 2022 17:26:37 GMT
hi - selvedge details can either be of simple attractive interest, or something that definitely increases the value of its stamp, so just a couple of pix to show an example of each. You would never remove the selvedge from these British George V definitives from 1934 -36 - far too much value in the printing data showing 'fractional controls' (Alex will put me right I'm sure if that's wrong;-)). The single French F0.40c. from 1964 was one of a pair in that year relating to Gallic church buildings, and very attractive it is - coloured in the French fashion (the stamp) - though whether there is a hidden meaning in the geometric design on the selvedge I've no idea. The pattern on the wing is described elsewhere as a 'diaper of overlapping semi-circular lines - a sort of Moresque or even Iznik design. I don't have any other modern French stamps with selvedge patterned like this, so it could be rare of common, but whatever it's an attractive geometric pattern. One of the saving graces of earlier blank selvedges is that collectors then, who used hinges, could attach the hinge to the wing, and not impair the stamp. What are the other numbers Alex - plate Nos. perhaps ??   |
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Jun 21, 2022 17:37:19 GMT
Two types of selvedge on this French cinderella.  |
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 22, 2022 2:37:55 GMT
Didn't I say earlier that if the selvedge was blank, I'd rip it off? These Jersey arrived on Monday and I finally got around to mounting them this evening.
Why not leave it be, no one had folded them over.
Peter
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Post by gstamps on Jun 22, 2022 15:29:47 GMT
I keep the stamps in the stockbooks and I don't mind keeping some selvedges even if they don't provide information or added value. Revenue stamps from France / Scott J93- 97. The 0.20 fr stamp has a free space that separates the stamps from different paness on the sheet. I can't remember the word. Gutter?  |
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Post by paul1 on Jun 22, 2022 15:48:46 GMT
agree with you gstamps of keeping these French issues united with their selvedge - they are attractive - it's not as if the wings are simply blank white - or should that be blanc;-) I'm not expert at terminology, but have a feeling that in philately the gutter is the unperf or perf. space between stamps.
The Other point about retaining margins/selvedge/wings is that it provides you with - in this case - two perfect perforated edges to the stamp.
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Post by gstamps on Jun 22, 2022 17:17:49 GMT
Thanks paul1 I found on the net an example of a sheet with 2 panels of 5 x 10 stamps separated by these white spaces  On the old stamps the sheet contained 3 panels of 5 x 10 stamps and on the second row is marked a number that represents the last digit of the year in which they were issued. In the Yvert Tellier catalog, the pair of stamps with number space is called "Millesime" and has an added value  |
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Post by angore on Jun 23, 2022 9:59:03 GMT
For collecting some Machins, the selvedge is important to identify the source since some values are used in multiple prestige bookinets.
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Jun 23, 2022 12:14:48 GMT
Attractive selvedge on a used block of 4 from the Italy Women in Art series,issued in 2002.This shows the Young Velcra,taken from an Etruscan tomb.  |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Jun 24, 2022 8:57:17 GMT
Selvage with imprint,issued Jan.1866.
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 28, 2022 19:53:32 GMT
I have shown the "quarters", the dots used to identify the position in the printing plate... They were in use in Italy around up the '70. For the same purpose, Poczta Polska use now a better way... (Sorry for the bad quality of the image)
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Post by paul1 on Jul 3, 2022 10:04:23 GMT
this one from the Phillipines must be near the top for artwork on the wings - I suppose it's possible that use of a printed circuit board is to assess sharpness and detail. This chess event was the Karpov v. Korchnoi meeting which Karpov won in 1978 in Baguio City. The design is effective - after all a castle and knight couldn't really mean much other than a chess tournament - but in some ways it comes across as plain and rather boring - perhaps that's what a lot of folk might say of chess.   |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 12, 2022 3:38:05 GMT
I'm going to cross-post a portion of a post I made on TSF's Liechtenstein board many years ago - these gigantic selvedge pieces certainly fit here as well as they do there. The above 1960 Europa stamp (Liechtenstein's first Europa stamp) was apparently a roaring success so they issued another design in 1961 in far higher quantity (over 5 million, more than 16 times as many as their first issue). I guess they also figured they could set a new world's record for the largest selvedge attached to a stamp. Look at this thing! Liechtenstein continued with their own Europa designs until 1966 when they finally started using variants of the common design in use throughout many European countries.  I am a big fan of Liechtenstein stamps so I buy bulk lots far more often than I should. This thread gave me the incentive to sort through my latest find, a 200g box of mixed Liechtenstein. Here are another couple of stamps with huge selvedge pieces attached. I don't mind that so much, these stamps have 10 Franc face values and those aren't seen very often when you buy stamps by the pound. ha ha   Ryan |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 12, 2022 3:46:09 GMT
And one more cross-posted portion of an old post of mine here on TSF, in this case from the Laos board. Of all the oddball or unusual examples of stamp margins in my collection, I think this albino version must be my favourite of all. I have a set of imperforate stamps from 1971 that had a surprise in store for me - two of these stamps have albino impressions of the engraving along the margin of the stamp. You can see this along the side of the 50k issue and along the top of the 70k issue. I've included a high-res scan of a portion of the 70k stamp to better show what I'm talking about. A brief search on the internet shows that this is mentioned elsewhere but I wasn't able to find a reason behind doing it this way.    Ryan |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 12, 2022 5:13:14 GMT
I posted this example from my collection years ago in search of information - after pinging our resident selvedge expert, khj, he informed me that the proper term for this stamp on the right is "gutter snipe". The horizontal bars printed in the selvedge are used by the electric eye sensors in the perforation process - in this particular case, complete sheets were printed with 4 panes of stamps, then perforated with the assistance of the electric eye markings, and then cut into panes. On this stamp design, these horizontal electric eye markings also served as a line to guide the shearing process when cutting the sheets into panes, and in a perfect operation the cut line will run through the middle of the electric eye markings. In my example on the right, the cut line ended up being just about exactly in the middle of the perforations for the next pane of stamps - if looked at under a magnifier, you can see that the edge of the top perforations are straight cut, not tore as they would be if the stamps had been separated normally. That's just a matter of happenstance - sometimes the cut line falls short of the next row of perfs and you get a selvedge with full electric eye markings (as is barely the case on the left stamp) but no hint of the next row of perforations. In some cases, the cut misses the mark by so much that not only do you get a complete gutter but as an added bonus you get some of the next stamp. My example on the right looks just as though it's supposed to be produced that way with a complete perforated gutter as a margin, but it is in fact a production error. Not nearly as interesting as if it had contained a chunk of another stamp, but still it's nice to find something like that in my "stamps by the pound" type of purchasing - usually somebody else has already found the oddballs and snags them before I get to find them ....  Ryan |
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Post by khj on Aug 12, 2022 22:21:36 GMT
Wow, I had to do a search on my laptop and found my original notes for the conversation on a stamp forum far far away with a few other collectors back in 2009! That forum has since deleted the original forum content when it did a reboot. Not sure if that was the time you were talking about.
Back then, Mel had this impressive collection of Prexie gutter snipes (that was when the first experimental electric eye markings were introduced). Regrettably, I did not download those pics before that forum got wiped, and Mel had sadly already gone on to the great stamp vault in the sky.
However, if you do an internet image search for gutter snipe pairs, you will see plenty of eye candy! I think I've got a pane somewhere that has a complete gutter snipe along one edge, but as usual, don't remember where I put it.
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Post by khj on Aug 12, 2022 22:39:21 GMT
It's interesting that in some other countries, gutter pairs/blocks are a normal part of the pane distribution. Still remember the first time I saw a collection of "traffic light" pairs! I had a collection of Australia gutter pairs, but the album is in storage right now. I should fish it out one day after my hand heals and take some pics/scans...
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