rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2016 4:27:25 GMT
Do you keep Selvedge? Do you remove it? Be aware of the significance of selvedge, what it can teach you, the value or otherwise of selvedge. Take on board the knowledge, then tread your own path, Stamp collecting is the ultimate democracy. Personally, I have removed selvedge, but I just don't like it, my Album pages are sometimes unbalanced, but for me, "husbandry" dictates I keep it. (Also, I figure most stamps are worth around 20c, I can wait till I get another, without selvedge, if need be) An Australian Kangaroo may sell for $30, with an Ash imprint on the selvedge $4,000 A (biased) commentary in 1974 on selvedge, note the frustration of an author that fails to see others want to go in another direction. Purchasing Mounts? Thinking outside the box, 6 months ago, I drafted a letter, seeking old Mount stock, (used, part packets, anything of reasonable quality) and sent the email to every dealer I knew. (and Stamp Forums) I was willing to buy in $100 lots. I found a dealer in Melbourne, I paid $6 a pack for brand new DAVO mounts.  |
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Post by smauggie on Feb 29, 2016 4:48:33 GMT
Selvedge (or selvage as we in the United States spell it) can show plate position when plating stamps, and can show a watermark more fully especially if the watermark is misplaced.
I collected US plate number blocks for years, and still have the collection which is based on collecting a block of stamps with their plate number in the attached selvage.
The occasions when I remove selvage are quite rare.
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Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 29, 2016 6:23:40 GMT
Hi Rodney
If there are any markings or images in the selvage I will keep it.
If all the stamps in a set have selvage I will keep it.
If a set contains some stamps with and some stamps without selvage I will remove it, if no markings or images and it is a modern issue.
In some instances I will keep the selvage intact, especially classic era stamps.
Fortunately, I do not have a mounting problem with stamps with selvage as I use blank pages and can adjust the page layout at will.
Jerry B
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2016 7:13:41 GMT
Hi Rodney
If there are any markings or images in the selvage I will keep it.
If all the stamps in a set have selvage I will keep it.
If a set contains some stamps with and some stamps without selvage I will remove it, if no markings or images and it is a modern issue.
In some instances I will keep the selvage intact, especially classic era stamps.
Fortunately, I do not have a mounting problem with stamps with selvage as I use blank pages and can adjust the page layout at will.
Jerry B Bingo! That's very much how I approach my collection, Jerry. |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2016 7:33:58 GMT
Modern Australia Selvedge "Kangaroo and Koala Counts" Turns a 20c stamp into a $4-$5 stamp. Code : 1 Koala = 1st reprint, 2nd Koala 2nd reprint, Kangaroo 5th reprint.  |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2016 22:20:41 GMT
Example of retained Selvedge, on Personal collector's page, adding interest, and flavour, showing the "Jubilee Lines" (British term) that strengthened the printing plate at the extremities. thestampforum.boards.net/post/40356 |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 22:04:39 GMT
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Post by Jen B on Mar 4, 2016 2:49:10 GMT
Selvedge always causes me angst, since I dislike it and always want to remove it.
Yet, I understand why it should be retained if it adds to the postal history of the stamp.
If I get an inexpensive modern stamp with blank selvedge I'll remove it.
Otherwise, I'll trade or give them away to someone who appreciates it more than me.
p.s., I also dislike stamp mounts, although I use them in my mint US collection.
I much prefer old album pages with neatly hinged stamps neatly in their boxes with no selvedge.
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Post by carabop on Mar 4, 2016 18:44:51 GMT
I never used to take off the selvage but I do now if there is nothing on the selvage. It was getting to expensive to keep buying the same stamp over and over again just hoping it would come without selvage so i wouldn't have to buy it again. Ended up with a lot of duplicates with selvage and nothing to put in the album.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 4, 2016 19:22:08 GMT
Like carabop, I remove selvage if it has no marginal markings and I don't mount stamps that have markings on their selvage in my albums-- they simply occupy space in their respective country stock page(s). |
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Post by TinMan on Jan 4, 2017 17:30:00 GMT
I remove all selvage if I am going to mount the stamps in my album simply because with the selvage on the stamps. The Mounts have to be bigger Holders and they don't fit in the box provided for on my album pages. However I do collect Blocks and Plate Blocks and I do keep the selvage on them because the numbers and markings show the position of the block on the plate.
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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2017 22:00:55 GMT
When I was a kid I always bought stamps from the post office with selvedge I would lick the selvedge and use it to stick in my album. Then I got really clever I was friends with the postmasters son and we would tear off all the selvedge and cut them up and use as hinges.
At least I never used tape.
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khj
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Post by khj on Jan 8, 2017 4:36:35 GMT
I am probably the last remaining collector who still actively collects selvage (without the stamp). Come to think of it, I might be the only selvage collector. Like my stamp collection, it's in disarray.
For me, the question is should I remove the stamp or keep it attached to the selvage? Having the stamp attached helps to ID the selvage, but makes for a very unbalanced appearance.
Pet peeve -- people who scribble on the selvage. You got the whole freaking stamp to write on, so why write on the itty-bitty selvage?
:-) k (still working on getting a Selvage Catalog together...)
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 8, 2017 14:23:45 GMT
khj , I wish you'd hurry with that catalog...these two items have me stumped! 
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khj
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Post by khj on Jan 9, 2017 3:47:37 GMT
tomiseksj, the selvage at the right with the bluish ink looks like the right-side selvage (bottom 2 pieces) from the the UL position pane of the Colorado Statehood Centennial stamp -- Scott US #1711(1977May21), the L-perforator version. You can see part of the dark blue gutter lines in the corner selvage associated with that issue. Yes/no? The short white selvage tab -- that one has got me stumped. I would really need to examine it under filtered UV to ID it. Sorry. 
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 9, 2017 13:31:58 GMT
khj , you are the man! 
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Post by KirkS on Jan 11, 2017 15:14:16 GMT
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Post by mdroth on Jan 11, 2017 18:41:53 GMT
Please do not indulge the children...!!
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reena
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Post by reena on Jan 21, 2017 18:24:11 GMT
I always keep the selvage attached to the stamp. Sometimes it gives me nothing, other times it gives a lot of information.
This will make one scratch ones head: got a postcard from a dealer. They were nice enough to use a PB#4 of the 3c Women in Our Armed Services. I was really excited as it was not cancelled, until someone decided that a newer SA Christmas stamp was to be on the selvage! Why do they do this? Keep the selvage and don't write on it and don't put a SA stamp on it.
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Post by jimjung on Jan 22, 2017 13:33:16 GMT
Selvedge on early perforated stamps from Canada are very scarce. I rarely see selvedge on the Canada 1859 issue. Selvedge on the Large Queen issue is scarce, too!  |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 2, 2022 10:51:46 GMT
I recommend that you do not remove the selvedge on German stamps. They are often more valuable than the stamp itself. An example with Michel 40 I (Germany-Allied Occupation). The block of 4 stamps is worth 2.4 Euro The vertical pair with the 2 mark on the side is worth 100 Euro (Michel 40 I DZ). DZ=Randpaare mit Druckerzeichen = Edge pairs with printer's mark   |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 2, 2022 16:06:34 GMT
I think it's Scott 172 from 1925. Do the markings at the top of the block produce a value premium as with German stamps? I would like if you can help me with a recent catalog value (Stanley Gibbons) for MNH. Thanks  |
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Post by mudgie on Mar 2, 2022 18:24:11 GMT
It was with some of the 8p Machin definitives being printed in Holland during 1979 that I realised selvedge could be important, these having no Jubilee Line below the lowest row of stamps whereas the usual Harrisson printing did, hence me getting both versions both unmounted mint and used with the lower selvedge still attached
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Post by gstamps on Mar 4, 2022 17:59:48 GMT
In the Stanley Gibbons catalogue, the marking on the edge of the sheet (I assume this is the plate number) has a different catalogue number? If you have the catalogue please check also for the 10c block posted above. I hope I am not wrong for posting here and not in the Mauritius thread Thank you.  |
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 4, 2022 18:22:55 GMT
I think it's Scott 172 from 1925. Do the markings at the top of the block produce a value premium as with German stamps? I would like if you can help me with a recent catalog value (Stanley Gibbons) for MNH. Thanks Yes 1926 issued 10 c Carmine red.. SG216 . Gibbons does not price separately for MNH of this period, pre George VI , Their mint price assumes light hinged, is £13 each single. So you obviously have a premium as a block and MNH. The 1 is indeed the plate number and may add another premium as a corner bloc k. The 493 sheet number is nice but does not add significantly to the value. The strip of 3 cobalt blue 15 cent SG219 b has a catalogue value of £1.00 each. The plate number probably does not add much to the value, as collectors of Plate numbers tend to like Blocks of 4 It looks as if there is a white flaw on the 1 in the middle stamp which if constant may add interest but is not mentioned in the catalogue. " Fly specking" |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 4, 2022 21:27:21 GMT
Thanks vikingeck.
I saw the 10c stamp on sale for $6-12 (MH) and in my old 2009 Scott catalog it was worth $4.75.
I don't collect these stamps and didn't know the prices had gone up so much since 2009.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 4, 2022 22:00:30 GMT
I hope I am not wrong for posting here and not in the Mauritius thread In my opinion, this is a judgement call. As this thread is about selvedge, the stamps you posted here fit the topic. But yes, they could have also been posted in a Mauritius thread. If you think about it, almost any stamp posted on the Forum could fit into more than one thread. Sometimes members will post the same stamps in more than one thread. It's really up to you if you believe that the main point of your post is about the selvedge, in which case this thread is probably a better choice, or more about that the stamps are from Mauritius. In this case, I think either one works, and as you seem more interested in how the selvedge affects value, then this thread is probably the better of the two. |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 4, 2022 22:27:24 GMT
Everything is OK. I got the answer I wanted.
It seems that Germany (the only specialised catalogue I have) has special catalogue numbers for the various selvedge markings.
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Post by racatrien on Mar 6, 2022 20:59:26 GMT
 And in this case does it bring added value? I'll keep it that way anyway. |
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Post by bobstew617 on Mar 6, 2022 21:34:51 GMT
I have to admit I am not a fan of selvedge for the most part, EXCEPT when there are designs or something that it makes collecting the stamp more interesting. For example, MT. ATHOS stamps are pretty bland in my opinion WITHOUT the selvedge.
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