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Post by smauggie on Feb 29, 2016 21:08:36 GMT
I am starting a new thread for United States Postmarks, partially to help with tallanent's postmark database and partially for general enjoyment and education. From time to time I may use United States references to certain aspects of postal markings. Here is a short glossary of terms I may use and what they mean:
Auxiliary Marking: A marking other than a postmark used to guide the mailing of an item. Cancel: Synonymous with the word "postmark". Circular Date Stamp (CDS): Usually a circular marking usually consisting of a town name, state/territory name and the date. The abbreviation CDS is commonly used. Cork: A stamp cancelling device made from cork, usually carved with a design to kill stamps. Kill/Killer: To kill a stamp means to mark it so that it cannot be reused. A killer a marking used to make the stamp un-reusable. Machine Cancel: Postmarks and killers applied by a mechanical or electronic process. Machine cancels usually consist of both a "CDS" and a "Killer".
I will likely add more as questions arise.
Here are two related threads for additional reference.
thestampforum.boards.net/thread/542/early-machine-cancels
thestampforum.boards.net/thread/2407/covers-general?page=1
Trenton (faint), New Jersey with cork killer in a star shape June 18, 1868 Sent by mistake to Patterson, New Jersey. Resent to Pittstown. June 20, 1868 Balloon with Auxiliary marking stating cover was "Missent".
Saint Paul, Minnesota (5) Also a Saint Paul roller killer. November 4, 1942 Special Deliver auxiliary marking.
Wilmington, North Carolina December 16, 1870's CDS and Cork 'Crossroads" killer.
That's a start anyway. 
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Post by tallanent on Feb 29, 2016 21:49:59 GMT
I am starting a new thread for United States Postmarks, partially to help with tallanent's postmark database and partially for general enjoyment and education
This type of thing is always welcome as an addition to the details that are in the database - so firstly my thanks ... US marks are way out of my comfort zone with postmarks, however, I will add what information is presented and if any errors or additional details need to be added, then just let me know and I will put them in place. In general, I tend to work on the GB postmarks, so additions to the other areas may not happen as quickly ... that said, all the above are now listed ... Allan |
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Post by smauggie on Mar 2, 2016 14:59:26 GMT
Fort Smith, Arkansas July 17, 1940
Two postmarks here Minneapolis, Minnesota Riverside Station Duplex cancel April 20, 1903
New Haven Connecticut (1) April 22, 1903 American Postal Machine - Machine cancel indicating receipt
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Post by smauggie on Mar 2, 2016 15:15:50 GMT
Allentown, Pennsylvania December 18, 1891 Duplex Cancel
Partial Oxford (1) duplex
Forwarded to Paris.
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Post by tallanent on Mar 2, 2016 17:52:27 GMT
These now listed ... thanks
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 14:50:31 GMT
Admin / Moderators. Suggestion: Could this FOLDER NAME be expanded ? To perhaps "Covers, Postmarks, and Stationery" ? I had the devil of a time finding this thread. Dime Box Texas Source: The Letterbox study Group 1992 (GB) Author : Mr. Glenn Morgan.  History www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htmSOLVED : Yes Ebay $4.99 "There's a Girl in Northrup That's Got Me Going." This postcard is postmarked from Northrup, Texas Dec 30, 1912, 1c stamp. According to the Helbock post office reference the post office at Northrup was in Lee County, TX and it closed in 1930 so this is a Discontinued Post Office ( DPO ) postmark. The county seat of Lee County is Giddings, TX. This card was sent to Dime Box, TX and there is a weakly struck receiving postmark from Dime Box on the front. Nice old Greetings From type card with pennant. Normal minor wear, 
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 3, 2016 15:51:31 GMT
Admin / Moderators. Suggestion: Could this FOLDER NAME be expanded ? To perhaps "Covers, Postmarks, and Stationery" ? I had the devil of a time finding this thread. ... I'll make the requested modification. The forum search function (not the Google one) returned this thread as first on the list when searching for the word "postmark" in the thread title. |
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rod222
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What I collect: US Precancels. Belgium Precancels.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 23:31:07 GMT
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rod222
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What I collect: US Precancels. Belgium Precancels.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 3, 2016 23:35:53 GMT
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Post by smauggie on Mar 4, 2016 3:29:46 GMT
Don't forget . . . Waco, Texas October 10, 1917  |
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Post by smauggie on Mar 4, 2016 13:14:03 GMT
Earliest US Machine Cancel Leavitt Type 1
Boston, Massachusetts September 5, 1877
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Post by smauggie on Mar 4, 2016 19:17:49 GMT
Plain View, Minnesota October 22, 1866
The town name was later changed to read as one word: Plainview
If you may be wondering how I know the year, here is the back of the cover.
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Post by tallanent on Mar 4, 2016 22:03:57 GMT
All these now added to the database ... including the two Canadian marks from the rear of the last cover
Many thanks .. Allan
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Post by jamesw on Mar 5, 2016 16:53:35 GMT
While the top Elmira NY cancel is identical to what are labeled above as rectilinear, would the other two Chicago cancels be called that as well, even though they have round CDS's? |
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 5, 2016 17:58:05 GMT
No. "Rectilinear" refers to the shape in which the postmark information is displayed. A more complete description of your Elmira postmark would be "Columbia rectilinear with horizontal lines cancel machine impression." I think your 1908 Chicago is an International and the 1909 a Time/Cummins. The machine cancel finder is one that merits a bookmark. |
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Post by jamesw on Mar 5, 2016 19:33:54 GMT
Thanks for clarifying for me Steve. I've got a pile of US covers to classify and albumitize (my word) and I have a lot to learn about early US machine cancels.
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Post by smauggie on Mar 6, 2016 3:57:55 GMT
Hi James, your first postmark is a Columbia rectilinear. The second one is an International Postal Machine cancel. The third is a Time-Cummings machine cancel. Then I read Steve's comment who already said this.  |
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Post by jamesw on Mar 6, 2016 12:20:53 GMT
no worries Smauggie. Always good to get confirmation. Thanks.
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Post by smauggie on Mar 8, 2016 15:42:37 GMT
Red Wing, Minnesota November 27, 1903 Doremus Type C Machine Cancel
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Post by smauggie on Mar 8, 2016 15:49:00 GMT
For a short period of time in the 1870's to 1890's US postmarks were issued for towns that included the county name. These are greatly desired among specialists.
This is a fancy duplex cancel. The CDS is made to look like a circular saw (lumber was the primary industry at the time) and the killer is a star in a circle.
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Post by smauggie on Mar 8, 2016 16:22:12 GMT
Odin, Minnesota July 9, 1892
Duplex cancel with concentric circle killer.
Post Office Department Official Postcard giving notice to the periodical that the subscriber no longer lives there.
Yes, I collect official US POD and USPS documents, postcards, etc.
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Post by tallanent on Mar 8, 2016 17:10:32 GMT
All the above now listed with thanks ....
Now back to trying to sort the GB ones ..
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Post by smauggie on Mar 8, 2016 18:22:07 GMT
Winona, Minnesota December 6, 1889
Registered postmark on Avis de Recepcion (AR) card. 
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Post by smauggie on Mar 8, 2016 18:49:23 GMT
Warren, Ohio May 21, 1863
On the back, a transit marking. The most I could find out about it was having other people say that they have seen it before. My thought is that Cairo was a riverboat and rail mail processing center for the armed forces engaged in the US Civil War.
Cairo, Ill(inois) May 24, 1863
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Post by tallanent on Mar 8, 2016 19:58:21 GMT
The above now added to the database
Allan
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Post by jamesw on Mar 9, 2016 2:45:13 GMT
this one had me going for a while tonight. South Glastonbury Conn. Sept 5 1914 with a SC#405 perf 12 there just weren't no South Clastone! |
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 22, 2016 21:02:08 GMT
The American Philatelic Center Contract Postal Unit, Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823.  |
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Post by jamesw on Mar 28, 2016 2:54:24 GMT
Two Auditorium Hotel covers from Chicago, mailed almost two weeks apart. Almost identical, right down to the South Orange NH receiver cancels on the back. The only difference is the code letters G and E on the International machine cancels. Can anyone tell me what those letters mean? |
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Post by smauggie on Mar 29, 2016 18:46:58 GMT
Great covers James. The second cover has a numeral "service mark" just under the time in the CDS.
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Post by jamesw on Apr 13, 2016 0:49:03 GMT
Could I have mis-spoke when I called the cancels on the two Auditorium Hotel covers above 'International' cancels? This website seems to be telling me that they are 'American' cancels, right down to the 6 lines and the letter die in the centre. swansongrp.com/macht102.html |
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