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Post by oldpapercollect on Jul 27, 2020 13:45:42 GMT
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 27, 2020 15:37:38 GMT
July 27, 1959
Germany (just one today) the 10pf President Theodore Heuss definitive, issued January 31, 1954.
Scott #708 : Michel #183x (plain paper)
You just have to love Scott catalogues - they mention varieties in this series, including 708b... but here's no 708b in their listing! I wonder what 708b means to them! Maybe they meant 708a. Who knows? Does anyone here know? Hi, Peter: Thanks for your many very nice posts in this thread. Also, it was great "meeting" you at the Zoom session yesterday. Spurred by your comments, I took a look in my own Scott 2013 WW Catalogue. They do, indeed, refer to 708b but do not show it in the listing. I even skipped ahead to the section on 1960 since it stated that the fluorescent paper was used for that issue starting around that time. I found another note referring to 708b among other stamps, but still no indication of what 708b actually is. Sc708a refers to a booklet pane, but like you, I cannot tell if they meant that or if they are referring to another stamp. Or if 708b is supposed to be the same stamp on fluorescent paper instead of plain paper. But if that were the case, why wouldn't they put 708b in the listing that way? Bottom line: I don't know! My next best move is to tag others who may be able to tell us: Ryan, mikeclevenger, PostmasterGS, hrdoktorx, salentin, blaamand, others? Anyone know about this? |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 27, 2020 20:36:14 GMT
July 27, 1959
Germany (just one today) the 10pf President Theodore Heuss definitive, issued January 31, 1954.
Scott #708 : Michel #183x (plain paper)
You just have to love Scott catalogues - they mention varieties in this series, including 708b... but here's no 708b in their listing! I wonder what 708b means to them! Maybe they meant 708a. Who knows? Does anyone here know? Hi, Peter: Thanks for your many very nice posts in this thread. Also, it was great "meeting" you at the Zoom session yesterday. Spurred by your comments, I took a look in my own Scott 2013 WW Catalogue. They do, indeed, refer to 708b but do not show it in the listing. I even skipped ahead to the section on 1960 since it stated that the fluorescent paper was used for that issue starting around that time. I found another note referring to 708b among other stamps, but still no indication of what 708b actually is. Sc708a refers to a booklet pane, but like you, I cannot tell if they meant that or if they are referring to another stamp. Or if 708b is supposed to be the same stamp on fluorescent paper instead of plain paper. But if that were the case, why wouldn't they put 708b in the listing that way? Bottom line: I don't know! My next best move is to tag others who may be able to tell us: Ryan , mikeclevenger , PostmasterGS , hrdoktorx , salentin , blaamand , others? Anyone know about this? In the YT catalogue, this stamp is #67. They do quote #67a which is the issue on fluorescent paper, and #67b, which is the booklet issue, recognizable as having the watermark rotated by 90 degrees. Nothing else. |
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jul 27, 2020 22:38:09 GMT
Ah, trying to decipher Scott's Germany listings. An exercise in futility...
I checked the oldest Scott catalog I have on-hand, 2005, and the error was there at that time as well. As to what it could be, it's hard to say. Scott's listing doesn't match-up well with Michel's, so it's difficult to determine what Scott could have been referring to.
Of all the Michel varieties of stamp and booklet panes containing this issue, there aren't two distinct non-fluorescent paper varieties that have identical fluorescent paper varieties.
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oldpapercollect
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jul 28, 2020 10:52:34 GMT
United States Postal Stationery SC. U586 Embossed Olive Branch & Star with black surcharge 15c. on 16c. blue and FDC SC.1200
 
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Post by anglobob on Jul 28, 2020 12:09:32 GMT
28 July 1938 Togo YV154,issued in 1938.Postmark is from Assahun.  28 July 1926 Senegal YV 84.Issued in 1925 and postmarked at Thies.  |
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 28, 2020 12:50:57 GMT
July 28, 1990
Germany 100pf highlighting nature and environmental protection at the North Sea, issued February 15, 1990.
Scott #1598 : Michel # 1454
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Post by anglobob on Jul 28, 2020 13:38:13 GMT
28 July 1976 GB Machin SG X881,issued in 1975  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 28, 2020 15:11:30 GMT
28 July 1938 Mauritania YV 22,issued in 1913 with violet coloured postmark from Chinguetti.  |
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Post by alanl on Jul 28, 2020 17:33:50 GMT
Zagreb, Croatia on July the 28th.  |
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jul 28, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
July 27, 1959
Germany (just one today) the 10pf President Theodore Heuss definitive, issued January 31, 1954.
Scott #708 : Michel #183x (plain paper)
You just have to love Scott catalogues - they mention varieties in this series, including 708b... but here's no 708b in their listing! I wonder what 708b means to them! Maybe they meant 708a. Who knows? Does anyone here know? Spurred by your comments, I took a look in my own Scott 2013 WW Catalogue. They do, indeed, refer to 708b but do not show it in the listing. I even skipped ahead to the section on 1960 since it stated that the fluorescent paper was used for that issue starting around that time. I found another note referring to 708b among other stamps, but still no indication of what 708b actually is. Sc708a refers to a booklet pane, but like you, I cannot tell if they meant that or if they are referring to another stamp. Or if 708b is supposed to be the same stamp on fluorescent paper instead of plain paper. But if that were the case, why wouldn't they put 708b in the listing that way? Bottom line: I don't know! There has been a line dropped from the catalogue, presumably accidentally, at some point in the past. My old 1975 Scott catalogue fills in the gap - back then there was a listing for both 708a (booklet pane of 9 + one label, 4 of the 10pf green Heuss stamps & 5 of the 20pf red Heuss stamps) as well as 708b, which was a booklet pane of 10 stamps, all of them #708, the 10pf green Heuss issue. Back in the day, Scott didn't give out too many minor listing numbers in the regular worldwide catalogue. USA, Canada & GB always got minor numbers for tagged issues, and booklet panes like this one got minor numbers for most (all?) countries. There were notes in the listings for western European countries like Germany which had fluorescent paper issues, like the note here which gave the cryptic reference to 708b, but they have still never received their own minor numbers in the listings even though it was a sort of tagging. I don't find much use for that 1975 catalogue but I had to pick it up when I saw it offered for sale - it has sentimental value for me, as my local library branch had that catalogue in the regular loaner section and I was continually borrowing it as a young collector. For all the years I was going to the library, that was the only edition ever put on the loaner shelves instead of in the reference section (and the reference books weren't allowed to be borrowed, they had to stay in the library all the time). Ryan |
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 29, 2020 1:23:08 GMT
Aha, another booklet pane. Thanks for that, Ryan ( Ryan) At least it is something I don't need to worry about now. |
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Post by spain1850 on Jul 29, 2020 9:50:37 GMT
29 July, 1879 Trelleborg, Sweden Scott 35  |
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Post by angore on Jul 29, 2020 10:42:16 GMT
You could also make this like BINGO.
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Post by anglobob on Jul 29, 2020 11:10:11 GMT
29 July 1918 Senegal YV 58,issued in 1914.The postmark is from Goree,a small island located off the coast of Dakar which is often associated with the slave-trade in W.Africa.  |
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jul 29, 2020 12:06:37 GMT
I remember reading about Goree in History class so many years ago. Man, that is some history lesson!
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jul 29, 2020 12:12:05 GMT
The US State of Nebraska celebrated it's Centennial on July 29th 1967 and this FDC with SC.1328 was issued then. 
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 29, 2020 12:37:18 GMT
July 29, 1959
Germany 20pf for the showing the seamless robe of Christ at the Cathedral of Trier from July 19 to September 20, 1959. It was issued July 18, 1959.
Scott #802 : Michel #313
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jul 29, 2020 13:27:03 GMT
Spurred by your comments, I took a look in my own Scott 2013 WW Catalogue. They do, indeed, refer to 708b but do not show it in the listing. I even skipped ahead to the section on 1960 since it stated that the fluorescent paper was used for that issue starting around that time. I found another note referring to 708b among other stamps, but still no indication of what 708b actually is. Sc708a refers to a booklet pane, but like you, I cannot tell if they meant that or if they are referring to another stamp. Or if 708b is supposed to be the same stamp on fluorescent paper instead of plain paper. But if that were the case, why wouldn't they put 708b in the listing that way? Bottom line: I don't know! There has been a line dropped from the catalogue, presumably accidentally, at some point in the past. My old 1975 Scott catalogue fills in the gap - back then there was a listing for both 708a (booklet pane of 9 + one label, 4 of the 10pf green Heuss stamps & 5 of the 20pf red Heuss stamps) as well as 708b, which was a booklet pane of 10 stamps, all of them #708, the 10pf green Heuss issue. Ryan Ok, with further investigation, with the info Ryan has given us, I translated the Michel Catalog listings for the booklet panes. The booklet panes, (708a), that consist of 9, 5, or 4 of the 10Pf stamps, are all non-fluorescent booklet panes. The booklet panes that consist of 10 of the 10Pf stamps, (708b in Ryans old album), are all fluorescent stamps. Thus, the 708a would be a non-fluorescent booklet stamps and the 708b would be a Fluorescent booklet stamp.
It is great when we all work together to solve a mystery!
Have a great day.
Mike.
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jul 29, 2020 13:30:28 GMT
I also had contacted Scott to ask about this missing information. their response was:
"Thanks for your e-mail. We are in the process of moving our offices and all of our old catalogues are currently boxed up, so I cannot research this matter at this time. I don’t know if there actually was a Germany 708b that was listed at one time and later deleted. I don’t know if No. 708a was being printed after 1960, so I can’t automatically assume that the footnote was referring to this booklet pane.
Can you inquire about this in September, when hopefully, we’ll have the old catalogues back on our shelves again?"
I will try again in September, just to see what they say.
Have a great day.
Mike.
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Post by alanl on Jul 29, 2020 17:41:15 GMT
July the 29th in Hong Kong.  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 30, 2020 12:16:05 GMT
30 July 1940 Niger YV BF1.This was issued in 1937 to cmmmemorate the Paris International Exposition.The 3fr value was used onn registered mail.Postmark is from Niamey.  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 30, 2020 12:36:39 GMT
30 July 1938 Togo V 156,issued in 1928 and postmarked at Lome.  30 July 1924 Dahomey YV 63,issued in 1922 and postmarked at Abomey  |
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 30, 2020 12:40:39 GMT
July 30, 1997
Great Britain 1p Machin
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 30, 2020 12:44:47 GMT
July 30, 2000
Germany 110pf salute to Johannes Gutenberg (c. 1 400-1468) issued February 17, 2000.
Scott #2068 : Michel #2098
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jul 30, 2020 15:44:30 GMT
Vengeance of two young sons, a painting by Nidotichuichi is the theme of this souvenir FDC issued by The Ryukyus. SC. 198a canceled at Naha Higashi on this date. This FDC was issued to celebrate Polish Millennium. SC. 1313 canceled on this date at Washington DC.
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Post by anglobob on Jul 30, 2020 17:12:54 GMT
30 July 1913 Madagascar YV 94.issued in 1908 with postmark from Tananarive.  30 July 1934 Mauritania YV 60B,issued in 1933 with a postmark from Atar.  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 30, 2020 17:23:46 GMT
30 July 1902 French Congo YV 32,issued in 1900 and with a postmark from Libreville.  |
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Post by anglobob on Jul 31, 2020 11:14:48 GMT
31 July 1939 French Guinea YV 139,issued inn 1938 with a postmark from Siguiri.  31 July 1969 Fiji SG381,issued in 1968 and with a postmark from Nabouwalu.  |
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