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Post by alanl on Apr 23, 2014 22:58:53 GMT
It`s April 23rd at Ilford, England...Part of London and Strommen, Norway.  |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 24, 2014 13:34:06 GMT
April 24th, 1896
Formular card from Narva, St Petersburg guberniya (today the third largest city of Estonia) to New York, May 21st 1896. Correctly franked at 4k.
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Post by vasia on Apr 24, 2014 17:20:15 GMT
Hey, Rod! I assumed Post Office New York, but I have no knowledge on US postmarks.
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Post by alanl on Apr 24, 2014 22:57:07 GMT
April 24th in Stafford, Staffordshire, England.  |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 24, 2014 23:24:40 GMT
Hey, Rod! I assumed Post Office New York, but I have no knowledge on US postmarks. Yes, I agree, "paid all" was curious as well. I have not been lazy, it just occurred to me I could peep inside Scott specialised, if anything there, I'll respond. These "paid all" postmarks appear to be ubiquitous, my guess results of decisions within conventions of postal exchange between countries, resulting from or including the decision to....... Abolished collect or underpaid letters, stipulating they were not to be forwarded; Usage appears to be mixed. |
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 25, 2014 1:23:25 GMT
Hey, Rod! I assumed Post Office New York, but I have no knowledge on US postmarks. Yes, I agree, "paid all" was curious as well. I have not been lazy, it just occurred to me I could peep inside Scott specialised, if anything there, I'll respond. These "paid all" postmarks appear to be ubiquitous, my guess results of decisions within conventions of postal exchange between countries, resulting from or including the decision to....... Abolished collect or underpaid letters, stipulating they were not to be forwarded; Usage appears to be mixed. I think this postmark confirms that the receiving US post office, New York Post Office, determined that all fees had been paid by the sender and that no additional fees would net to be collected from the recipient. (I'm not sure, but I think a penalty was also paid by the recipient if the payment from the sender was short.) To quote a blog acquaintance of mine: "But, of course, I could be all wrong." -- Dave |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 25, 2014 6:25:53 GMT
I think this postmark confirms that the receiving US post office, New York Post Office, determined that all fees had been paid by the sender and that no additional fees would net to be collected from the recipient. (I'm not sure, but I think a penalty was also paid by the recipient if the payment from the sender was short.) To quote a blog acquaintance of mine: "But, of course, I could be all wrong." -- Dave Sort of half right Dave, as I read it. Where I disagree, is the "paid by recipient" , The convention (see Honolulu for example) states that mail was not to be forwarded for "collect" ergo the "Paid all" strike. If the franking was short the item would not be forwarded. I shall stand corrected. |
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 25, 2014 6:36:50 GMT
I'm happy to be the one to stand corrected, and it should be presumed so. I don't know US policies well enough to know when forwarding due would have happened and when it did not. There are a couple of other boards where there are people who would know for sure.
Just a logistical question: if underpaid letters were not forwarded for delivery and collection, then what happened to them? Were they returned to sender, or just destroyed in NY?
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Post by rod222 on Apr 25, 2014 6:48:39 GMT
I'm happy to be the one to stand corrected, and it should be presumed so. I don't know US policies well enough to know when forwarding due would have happened and when it did not. There are a couple of other boards where there are people who would know for sure. Just a logistical question: if underpaid letters were not forwarded for delivery and collection, then what happened to them? Were they returned to sender, or just destroyed in NY? I was just ruminating on that as well, Dave, surely they had to be returned, which seems so counter productive for such a small tax. but these were early days, the earliest "paid all" on a San Francisco cover was 1854. Russ would probably have the info on this. |
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Post by I.L.S. on Apr 25, 2014 18:16:39 GMT
Well Vasia & Rod I believe I got your answer from a like minded and trusted stamp collector on another board for which I must give credit.
Po State4evR replied:
WT1 chimed in also:
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Post by alanl on Apr 25, 2014 22:53:28 GMT
April 25th in Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight.  |
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Post by rod222 on Apr 25, 2014 23:22:17 GMT
April 25th in Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight. I thought that postmark rather strange, and (thinking to myself) should it be Portsmouth "and" Isle of wight? or, "Portsmouth Isle of wight" Seems others have queried this, from another forum... This is a result of the ongoing process of mechanisation and mail concentration by Royal Mail. With the movement to stamping mail at large central facilities rather than in individual towns, post marks have changed to reflect this and now show the area covered rather than a specific town. This should be read 'Portsmouth and Isle of Wight'; its been in use since c1981. I understand the actual 'Mail Centre' to use current terminology (they used to be called APCs, and MLOs before that) is in Portsmouth. Clive |
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Post by vasia on Apr 26, 2014 6:47:17 GMT
The mailing took a little shy of 1 month to make it through the system. Thank you ILS (and Po State4evR) for the information on the postmark. Just a small correction on the above: the card took significantly less through the mailstream. Its departure date, April 24th, is indicated in the Julian calendar, then applicable in the Russian empire. In the Gregorian calendar it would be May 6th, so the actual journey was about 15 days. |
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Post by I.L.S. on Apr 27, 2014 10:29:04 GMT
The mailing took a little shy of 1 month to make it through the system. Thank you ILS (and Po State4evR) for the information on the postmark. Just a small correction on the above: the card took significantly less through the mailstream. Its departure date, April 24th, is indicated in the Julian calendar, then applicable in the Russian empire. In the Gregorian calendar it would be May 6th, so the actual journey was about 15 days. I had some more great information passed along to me about your cover so I wish to pass it along to you: scotzm said:
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Post by I.L.S. on Apr 27, 2014 10:52:22 GMT
April 27th covers-
Bloods Penny Post April 27th Scott #15L14 bronze on lilac ~ Blood's Despatch 1848-54 (The denomination was equal to 1¢)
The postmark isn't as distinct as I would like but the date is readable. I can't make out the year but I know it's in the 1850's.
I believe it's 1854.
 I'm pretty certain this reads April 27th but if you have a differing opinion please let me know. Thank you. Conneautville -"The snow place"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connea...Pennsylvania
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Post by alanl on Apr 27, 2014 22:11:45 GMT
Portsmouth again...Portsmouth & Southsea on April 27th.  |
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Post by alanl on Apr 28, 2014 22:53:34 GMT
April 28th in Redditch, Worcestershire, England and Rotterdam, Nederland.  |
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Post by alanl on Apr 29, 2014 22:54:34 GMT
Brussels, Belgium on April 29th, 1965.  |
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Post by I.L.S. on Apr 30, 2014 10:54:11 GMT
April 28th, 1922
Cover from Tver to Switzerland through Moscow (machine c.d.s of 29/4). Franked with 7x5.000/5R black overprint + 14x1.000R + 6x250R second definitive, to a total of 50.500 rubles. The foreign letter rate was 30.000R (it would jump to 200.000 rubles two days later, on 30/4), BUT the domestic rate had increased to 50.000R on 15/4, i.e it had become higher than the international rate. It is possible that the cover was franked at that higher domestic rate.
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Post by vasia on Apr 30, 2014 12:26:12 GMT
Thank you, ILS! I do enjoy covers (as it must be apparent  ). They provide you with a lot of opportunities to research your material and learn about history and geography. The late 1910's and the 1920's were an extremely turbulent period in Russia, subsequently Soviet Union, and this was reflected in the postal sendings from the area. |
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Post by vasia on Apr 30, 2014 13:02:52 GMT
April 30th, 1928
Cover from АРЕФИНО (Arefino) though Рыбинск п.т.к. to Leningrad (3/5/1928, backstamp not shown). The cover is franked with 20k “large head” and 3k “small head” definitives, cancelled at Arefino – the 3k stamp appears superfluous over the 20k registered letter rate. Crude manuscript registration (with name of Arefino and registration #), followed at the "rayon" district center (Rybinsk) with a non-standard (provisional, i.e bearing no "R" or its Russian equivalent) label: perfed on 3 sides, with pre-printed town name and registration number.
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Post by alanl on Apr 30, 2014 22:45:20 GMT
It`s April 30th in Sundre, Alberta.  |
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Post by vasia on May 1, 2014 16:11:58 GMT
May 1st, 1918
Picture postcard from ВЫШНIИ ВОЛОЧЕКЬ, Tver to Petrograd. Franked 15k with perf Imperial-period Arms – rate is 20k. Assessed postage-due of 10k (double the 5k deficiency) with oval mark of origin in red.
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Post by rod222 on May 1, 2014 21:41:29 GMT
May 1st, 1918
Picture postcard from ВЫШНIИ ВОЛОЧЕКЬ, Tver to Petrograd. Franked 15k with perf Imperial-period Arms – rate is 20k. Assessed postage-due of 10k (double the 5k deficiency) with oval mark of origin in red.
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). They provide you with a lot of opportunities to research your material and learn about history and geography. The late 1910's and the 1920's were an extremely turbulent period in Russia, subsequently Soviet Union, and this was reflected in the postal sendings from the area.