Mick
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What I collect: Mostly covers and postmarks. Also miscellaneous paper ephemera.
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Post by Mick on Jun 26, 2024 22:14:15 GMT
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gbcc
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What I collect: GB First day covers, event covers and postmarks, GB Slogans
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Post by gbcc on Jun 27, 2024 4:48:05 GMT
Postmark/Cover of the day 27 June 1971 Holy Family Nazareth Convent School Festival Pitsford Northampton Geoff (GBCC) www.gbcovercollector.co.uk
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kasvik
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What I collect: Cancels mostly, especially Sweden Gävle and Lidingö, Switzerland Geneva, Germany Pforzheim
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Post by kasvik on Jun 27, 2024 7:22:07 GMT
157 years ago today, Sitting Helvetia, 50 centimes. Until UPU rates hit a few years later and slashed it, this was the normal trans-Atlantic letter rate. Wiff of red suggests some special handling. No telling, just saying.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 27, 2024 7:57:44 GMT
Here is the portrait of Poland's King John Sobleski - the stamp is SG 262 - the 75 Gr value in purple first issued in July 1930, with this example cancelled this date in 1932. Only a few years prior to this - in 1924 - the currency was changed from fenigi and marki to groszy and zloty ...... 100 groszy = 1 zloty. It looks like the event in question was the Birth Tercentenary of King John III. I think the location of LWOW is the city of Lvov (L'viv) in south eastern Poland, occupied by the Soviet Union in 1939, under the terms of the German-Soviet Pact - please correct me it that's wrong. thanks.
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Hugh
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What I collect: Worldwide Occupation Stamps and Postal History; and, anything that looks interesting.
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Post by Hugh on Jun 27, 2024 10:53:18 GMT
June 27, 1941 ... The initial flight of the then world's largest airplane - the Douglas B-19. Now known as the Douglas XB-19. Only one was built during the war. It was a experimental heavy long-range bomber prototype that was never used. It cost US$3.5 million in 1941. Had it been flown in combat, it was designed for a 16 person crew with provision for 2 additional flight mechanics and a six person relief crew. Its designed range was 8,400 km. Payload was 16,800 kg. With a crusing speed of 217 km/h ... it is easy to understand why it was the only one produced. Attched is a cover as well as a contemporary news clipping of this first flight. Stamp: US Airmail - Eagle with Shield, Arrows and Olive Branch 6c Dark Blue and Carmine Issued: May 14, 1938 Sc. C23 Cancel: MARCH FIELD.CALIF.1941 JUNE 27 1:30PM
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Post by franoise on Jun 27, 2024 10:55:37 GMT
France,27 June 1997
Illustrated cover mailed from Gaillac ("Saint-Michel Abbey,vineyard,tourist office,museum") to Mende,franked with a "Marianne de Briat" definitive stamp (Michel # 3134)
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gbcc
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What I collect: GB First day covers, event covers and postmarks, GB Slogans
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Post by gbcc on Jun 28, 2024 5:25:26 GMT
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 28, 2024 8:22:23 GMT
Here is Victoria's 'Young Head' on a 2d. for Jamaica - and cancelled this date in 1888 at Kingston - from the 1883 to 97 series of definitives. I'm not entirely sold on the idea that this is SG 20a, which Gibbons describe as 'slate', but if pushed it's perhaps more slate than grey ?? Rather confusing IMHO - Stanley Gibbons provide colour swatches for 'slate green', slate blue' and 'slate violet', but not a simple plain 'slate' - unless my colour swatch is out of date. If anyone would like to comment on the colour feel free:-) Perhaps this one is slate blue?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 28, 2024 8:34:59 GMT
Here is Victoria's 'Young Head' on a 2d. for Jamaica - and cancelled this date in 1888 at Kingston - from the 1883 to 97 series of definitives. I'm not entirely sold on the idea that this is SG 20a, which Gibbons describe as 'slate', but if pushed it's perhaps more slate than grey ?? Rather confusing IMHO - Stanley Gibbons provide colour swatches for 'slate green', slate blue' and 'slate violet', but not a simple plain 'slate' - unless my colour swatch is out of date. If anyone would like to comment on the colour feel free:-) Perhaps this one is slate blue? paul1Opinion Definitely Slate My process 1. discard (attempt at colour ID) any stamp with a postmark, the true colour is thrown off 2. scanners are unreliable 3. My scans for you are troublesome, as the swatches will not lay flat on the scanner platen. Use as you wish
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 28, 2024 9:26:49 GMT
thanks rod222 - it does appear to agree with your 'slate', so appreciate the help there - are your swatches from SG or someone else's colours ?? :-) Of course, the big hang-up here is the perennial problem with used stamps, which is - to what extent has the colour of our stamp faded/deteriorated due to exposure to daylight - 'fugitive to light' as the posh folk say. In mint condition both No. 20 and 20a have good values. I have two examples of Gibbons colour swatch kits - 1969 which is just pre-U.K. decimal, and the other is possibly as early as 1938, and in the attached picture is the one showing images of stamps - these are cinderellas produced by Gibbons and labelled 'COLOUR CHART', and stuck into the booklet. Mr. Thicky here has just noticed that in fact this earlier colour chart does include plain 'slate' - so this does back up your comments. thanks again.
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Post by franoise on Jun 28, 2024 11:07:25 GMT
France,28 June 1997 Cover mailed to Montesson from the aircraft carrier "Clemenceau",franked with a "Marianne de Briat" definitive stamp (Michel # 2945) P.A. = porte-avions
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 28, 2024 11:12:30 GMT
paul1 Hi Paul, Stanley Gibbons colour swatches, with holes so you can place the swatch over the stamp, in situ. PS: I checked your stamp, because I was ignorant of the code, above the date X1 ? I do not recognise that code I checked the census / rarity of the "squared circle" postmarks, KINGSTON is so ubiquitous, that is is not considered in the literature.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 28, 2024 12:54:39 GMT
thanks rod - had you asked me earlier, I might have thought the algebra-style lower case x might have had something to do with the time this item had been posted - but if that's not the answer then I don't know its meaning either. However, although this mystery mark appears illegible, I think that in some way it may well be related to an indication of a 'time'.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 28, 2024 23:00:58 GMT
thanks rod - had you asked me earlier, I might have thought the algebra-style lower case x might have had something to do with the time this item had been posted - but if that's not the answer then I don't know its meaning either. However, although this mystery mark appears illegible, I think that in some way it may well be related to an indication of a 'time'. paul1I share your opinion, however, it does not follow the Time Code of England, Ireland and Scotland there the "X" was the central code, for AM and PM Example MxP = Midday and MxA = Midnight Also consider the time code then was introduced as late as 1893
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gbcc
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Post by gbcc on Jun 29, 2024 5:39:29 GMT
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 29, 2024 8:10:30 GMT
here is the French 50 c. in cinnamon - with very faint pale lavender background in the centre area of the stamp - part of the defs. from 1900 to 1906, and cancelled this date in 1906 at Marseille - there is also the word ETRANGER within part of the cds - it might mean 'FOREIGN', but I'm guessing - perhaps someone might help with that please. Looks to be SG 305, and the image appears to be the Allegory of Liberty and Peace. If you have SG 305a - coloured background omitted - the value jumps substantially.
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Post by franoise on Jun 29, 2024 8:28:02 GMT
"Etranger" means "Foreign" indeed. Postmarks with "Paris Etranger" and "Bordeaux Etranger" exist too.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 29, 2024 9:25:02 GMT
hi franoise - thanks for the confirmation:-) I must try the black background when photographing pale coloured stamps - looks good.
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Post by franoise on Jun 29, 2024 11:13:25 GMT
France,29 June 1931 Postcard sent from Paris to Bruxelles (Belgium) Stamp : "American Legion" commemorative (Michel # 224) Slogan cancel : "Use Airmail"
Bruxelles on French stamps
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Mick
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What I collect: Mostly covers and postmarks. Also miscellaneous paper ephemera.
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Post by Mick on Jun 29, 2024 19:37:28 GMT
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gbcc
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What I collect: GB First day covers, event covers and postmarks, GB Slogans
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Post by gbcc on Jun 30, 2024 5:55:26 GMT
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 30, 2024 8:11:29 GMT
In 1877 Benjamin Disraeli - the then conservative Prime Minister of the U.K. - was responsible for arranging that his Queen adopt the title of Empress of India, thus, in his opinion (and probably that of his Government), encouraging even closer ties between the sub-continent and Britain. Today's offering is this 2 Annas 6 pies yellow green issued Jan. 1892 to 1897 - SG 103 - cancelled this date in 1893. This looks to be a fairly common stamp - I have ten at least, and it was used with the T 8 ovpt. 'British East Africa', for use in Kenya/Uganda/Tanganyika, as SG 53 - plus at least one perfin, 'F M & Co.'. Pictures of both the ovpt. and Perfin are attached. As for the colour of the stamp, to my eyes it looks more blue-green than yellow-green - but according to SG blue-green didn't appear until 1897 - so .........? But what I can't resolve is the word on the cancellation which appears to read '.. ANADE' - this is a word used in India, but it seems as a personal name ? - all and any suggestions gratefully received. thanks:-) P.S. On reflection, perhaps yellow-green is justified for the first picture here.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2024 8:48:53 GMT
In 1877 Benjamin Disraeli - the then conservative Prime Minister of the U.K. - was responsible for arranging that his Queen adopt the title of Empress of India, thus, in his opinion (and probably that of his Government), encouraging even closer ties between the sub-continent and Britain. Today's offering is this 2 Annas 6 pies yellow green issued Jan. 1892 to 1897 - SG 103 - cancelled this date in 1893. This looks to be a fairly common stamp - I have ten at least, and it was used with the T 8 ovpt. 'British East Africa', for use in Kenya/Uganda/Tanganyika, as SG 53 - plus at least one perfin, 'F M & Co.'. Pictures of both the ovpt. and Perfin are attached. As for the colour of the stamp, to my eyes it looks more blue-green than yellow-green - but according to SG blue-green didn't appear until 1897 - so .........? But what I can't resolve is the word on the cancellation which appears to read '.. ANADE' - this is a word used in India, but it seems as a personal name ? - all and any suggestions gratefully received. thanks:-) P.S. On reflection, perhaps yellow-green is justified for the first picture here. Postmark ?"ANADE" ? Insufficient info to solve for me. Opinion : Squared Circle postmarks from India postage stamps are uncommon, I collect them when they pass my desk. They may not suggest an Indian location. Apart from the common BOMBAY or CALCUTTA etc we see ADEN CANTONOMENT, MUSKAT and so on To solve difficult Pmks, one generally needs the first 2 or 3 letters ANADE did not come up, with my list of towns, in excess of 100,000 population
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 30, 2024 9:00:16 GMT
firstly, thanks to rod222 for the additional information as to Finlay, Muir & Co. for the perfin - very helpful, and of course always good to complete the information on a stamp - unsure as to why I didn't pop the letters into the internet and try to find myself. I spent some considerable time yesterday trying to decipher ANADE, and failed, and yet the gap before the first letter appeared substantial as though ANADE was a stand alone word, so now unsure as to what it means - though obviously it means something - if I can remember, will try to resolve again later. thanks again rod222.
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Post by franoise on Jun 30, 2024 9:11:53 GMT
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Post by franoise on Jun 30, 2024 9:16:04 GMT
Latvia,30 June 1992 Here are "last day covers" According to a decree of the Postal Services of Latvia only Latvian stamps were valid for postage from the 1st of July 1992. To mark this event a special commemorative cancellation was used on Soviet stamps for outgoing correspondence,in 8 cities : Riga,Daugavpils,Rēzekne,Liepāja,Ventspils,Bauska,Limbaži and Tukums
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Post by dosamaniac on Jun 30, 2024 9:38:58 GMT
But what I can't resolve is the word on the cancellation which appears to read '.. ANADE' - this is a word used in India, but it seems as a personal name ? - all and any suggestions gratefully received. thanks. This is Danby type B(a) squared circle cancel of Esplanade SPO, Mumbai, which is recorded used in Nov 28,1890–Mar 7,1896. For details, check out this. The Indian Squared Circle CancelationGC Danby. The India Study Circle for Philately, Eastleigh, England 1960 Squared Circle Cancelations of India List; p.14
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 30, 2024 10:03:43 GMT
gosh, don't we have some exceptionally clever people here - my sincere thanks to franoise and dosamaniac and of course rod222, for helping to decipher the wording on this Indian squared circle cancellation - this stamp collecting becomes more interesting by the day. dosamania - I like your list of memberships - how do you find the time to eat, drink and be merry? ;-);-). Incidentally, where do I find access to Danby's work - assuming it's in a paper format, please ?
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Post by dosamaniac on Jun 30, 2024 11:01:01 GMT
gosh, don't we have some exceptionally clever people here - my sincere thanks to franoise and dosamaniac and of course rod222, for helping to decipher the wording on this Indian squared circle cancellation - this stamp collecting becomes more interesting by the day. Here is a link with a little more information surrounding the word ESPLANADE, in India ... en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Kolkata/Esplanade dosamania - I like your list of memberships - how do you find the time to eat, drink and be merry? ;-);-). Incidentally, where do I find access to Danby's work - assuming it's in a paper format, please ? It's different Esplanade. The Esplanade in the cancel was located at Kulaba in Mumbai.
Esplanade in Kulaba, Mumbai in 1875
The Esplanade Post Office in Kolkata unlike its homonymous counterpart in Mumbai, still exists.
Esplanade Post Office, Kolkata
I don't see the monograph The Indian Squared Circle Cancelation currently on sale. It rarely pops up. I got my copy from Martin Robionson of Southampton long time back. As for the membership of different philatelic societies goes, I follow the quote "The more I know, the more I know how less I knew". There is no end to learning when it comes to the vast diverse field of Indian postal history.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jun 30, 2024 11:06:04 GMT
thanks - I'll kick out the link - shame, it looked rather attractive:-) There are a variety of on-line posts that cover much of the subject, so will print off a few and see if I can become a little wiser on the subject.
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