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Post by stainlessb on May 16, 2020 22:52:56 GMT
If I'm going in the wrong direction, someone please point out the errors of my ways,,, Both are perforated 9.5 the Type I is described as "Coarse Printing" and the Type II is described as "Fine Printing".
Michel # 35I first issued 1876 (Type I)
and Michel # 35II issued 1874 (type II)... and there are other types but perforation (s) are different
With a postmark of !!-24-1869 (my birthday....83 years before my time!) this can only be a Type I (too bad it's been butchered) What I believe to be a Type II postmark 5-11, 1878 (both stamps postmarked in Vienna) What I am "thinking" is the coarse printing is the 'filagree' is much more spaced, where as the Type II fine printing, the the marfgins aroud the filagree is much closer/finer... with these examples the detail on the face/head is not real good on the Type II, Am I on the right track?   |
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Post by marking on May 17, 2020 12:50:57 GMT
I think this is 1867 25 Kr, 9-1/2 perf coarse printing Michel # 40I.... but the color doesn't seem to match the descriptions This won't make it any easier  40 Ia gray  40 IIa Lilac Gray  40 IIb gray violet The Ferchenbauer specialized notes the 25kr colors as pure gray gray purple purple violet brown purple violet-brown Her's a Levant Coarse & Fine Print  |
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Post by stainlessb on May 17, 2020 13:35:05 GMT
Hmmm... coarse/fine lighter/darker.... almost seems almost in the eye of the beholder...
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Post by stainlessb on May 19, 2020 0:08:59 GMT
October 13, 1883 (first issued August 1883)20 Kr Mi# 48A (Perf 9.5) Veseli nad Luznici (in what is now Czeckoslovakia) Wish I could see the upper portion of the cancelation  |
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Post by Ryan on May 19, 2020 10:25:43 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on May 20, 2020 21:04:18 GMT
In Michel- the word 'gez" is common, but Google translate comes up with 'signed" can someone more fluent put this so it makes sense to us speakers of the simple English language ...  mit Lackstreifen; verschieden gez. = With Paint strips; different signed  ) |
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2020 4:02:49 GMT
Michel has a list of abbreviations at the start of each catalogue but they're a bit unwieldy for non-German speakers because they're ordered according to groupings, so you kind of have to understand what the groupings are for. My Michel Austria Specialized (2008) has first a grouping for printing type (e.g., engraved, lithographed, etc.), then a grouping for colours, then a grouping for perforation-related stuff. That's where you find "gez." - an abbreviation for "gezähnt" or "perforated". You'll often see it in a style something like "gez. K 13" and the "K" is itself another abbreviation, this time for comb perforation (and you'll frequently see an "L" there, for line perforation).
In your specific example, "mit Lackstreifen, verschieden gez." means the listing is for stamps with varnish bars and various perforations. The specialized catalogue will have further details for the various perforation combinations possible - less detailed catalogues might only list the cheapest / commonest variety.
Michel likes lots of info and that means lots of secret codes. I'm getting kind of handy with them after looking at them for so long. I still need practice, though ...
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Post by stainlessb on May 26, 2020 15:33:42 GMT
Michel # 67 1 Gulden perf 10.5 1896 with perfin MT & Co. 2,100,00 printed, A busy cancellation, I wish I could see the rest of it! I found one reference to this perfin dating to 1890, but no identification as to who it was.   |
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 3, 2020 23:08:58 GMT
Examples of private perforations on the Newspaper Stamps of 1920-21, as mentioned in Scott.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 22, 2020 0:25:10 GMT
Scott #43.... but... perforation ? somewhere between 10 and 10-1/2 (as best I can tell) this may qualify as dull red on heavy paper (if it was imperf I would suspect it had been cut from postal stationary no watermark detected any ideas?  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 25, 2020 22:28:39 GMT
this looks like it might be a newspaper or newspaper tax stamp, but I do not find a listing for 5 Kr. It is on very thin paper, no watermark, like a wrapper, though i suppose it could be a very early postal stationary/envelope? I searched what catalogue info I have for Austria (which is anemic I'll admit) but no luckwith no watermark 
and on the subject of specialized catalogues- any knowledge of this Specialized Catalog of Austria 1850 to 1918 by Edwin Mueller 1952 First Edition
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Post by darkormex on Nov 25, 2020 23:12:11 GMT
Stan ( stainlessb) I am pretty sure I have one of these too but mine seems to be cardstock like a postcard. I will try to hunt it down at some point this weekend. |
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Post by karelm on Jan 31, 2021 23:58:49 GMT
I haven't worked out how to reply to individual posts, so I'll reference them by date/time
Oct 22 - 10.55 This is a cut out from a "return provided" correspondence card.
Nov 26 - 8.58 Is a cut out of a 1867 pre stamped envelope (The Austrian PO introduced these with the 1863 issue.
The answer to both these queries can be found in the Ferchenbauer catalogue (expensive and in German)
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 6, 2021 10:48:27 GMT
Hi, Karel ( karelm): Thanks for your post! There are a couple of ways to respond to specific posts. One is the "Quote" function. If you see a post to which you want to respond, click on the Quote button for that post, which you will see in the upper right-hand corner above each post, and it will create a new post for you, which shows the quoted post in its own bubble. When you try that, please be sure to enter your comment/response outside of (i.e. below) the quote bubble. There is no need to use the quote function if you are responding right after another post. The quote function should only be used when it is needed to make clear what you are responding to. Alternatively, you can also use the "tagging" function, which is what I have done at the start of this post. May I suggest that you take a look at this board: thestampforum.boards.net/board/363/frequently-asked-using-forumThere are threads in this board that explain how to use the quote function, how to tag other members in your posts, how to post images, etc. Please have a look at these threads, and then if you still have questions, please make a post or send me a PM. |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 27, 2021 0:27:11 GMT
I believe this is a "Fine Printing" (?!?) 1874 -1880 portrait definitives, 9.5 perf 5 Kr red, Michel #38 II Drosau, in the Pisan region of what is now the Czech Republic. Drosau is the German spelling, Strážov is what it is now called. The cancellation, no year, but November 6? or June 11???  |
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Post by karelm on Apr 30, 2021 5:07:27 GMT
The cancel is Drosau / Strazov , Klein 928 aa and the date will be 6 Nov. no year.Point score 35, worth having, I value them @ 0.15 pp = $5.25. The cancel type is #462 which is one of the "thimbles"
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Post by karelm on Jun 22, 2021 1:08:49 GMT
October 13, 1883 (first issued August 1883)20 Kr Mi# 48A (Perf 9.5) Veseli nad Luznici (in what is now Czeckoslovakia) Wish I could see the upper portion of the cancelation |
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Post by karelm on Jun 22, 2021 1:28:44 GMT
I believe this is a "Fine Printing" (?!?) 1874 -1880 portrait definitives, 9.5 perf 5 Kr red, Michel #38 II Drosau, in the Pisan region of what is now the Czech Republic. Drosau is the German spelling, Strážov is what it is now called. The cancellation, no year, but November 6? or June 11??? It is a "fine" print and the date is 6 Nov, thimble cancel Klein 928 a, 30 point - nice cancel. You can find a lot of info on the UK Austrian website www.austrianphilately.com/articles.htm |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 22, 2021 13:25:50 GMT
thanks karelm ! I've bookmarked the link |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2021 21:55:44 GMT
Ryanlooking back through this thread- did you ever try the pancreatin enzyme supplement for removing the gum?
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Post by Ryan on Jul 5, 2021 4:02:36 GMT
Not yet - I've been gathering the stamps with the tough gum into a big pile before I plan to give it a try. I am expecting it to work, though - I'm confident I found the correct stuff and if it worked for others, it should work for me too. Here's an image of the particular product I found in the vitamin & supplements store - there will be other brands available, I'm sure. (Here's a link to the original post stainlessb is referencing.)  Ryan |
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Post by karelm on Jul 11, 2021 5:07:55 GMT
Yes I've used it successfully to soak the 90's Austrian stamps of paper and remove the gum. Dissolve 1 capsule in a .25 lt bottle of cold water, takes a day or so. The pour some in a dish with the stamp(s) and again wait another day and you should find the stamps free of glue and floated off the paper. I the give them a mild detergent wash after a rinse in water. The made up mixture develops an awful smell after a few days, so best discarded and a fresh batch for the next time.
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Post by nbstamper on Sept 12, 2021 14:29:35 GMT
Can anyone explain why some newspaper stamps of 1920 were "privately perforated"? Were whole sheets perforated for easier separation by a company which made use of the stamps or was this done for some philatelic reason? I have a simplified Michel catalogue (in German) but don't have Scott and the Michel doesn't seem to mention these stamps. At least I can't find any reference to them and I do have some of the stamps.
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 12, 2021 15:04:08 GMT
I'm clearly no expert but it seems to me that private perforations were done to facilitate the ease and speed of separation. Scott includes a note that says that the stamps of 1919 through 1922 (P24-P55) exist privately perforated. I haven't reviewed the entire exhibit ( The Austrian Newspaper Post), but you may be able to find more info in it. |
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Post by nbstamper on Sept 12, 2021 16:10:15 GMT
Thanks Steve! I had seen this site previously but didn't examine it closely. Without digging too deeply, it looks like the stamps were perforated by the buyer to make it more efficient to separate them for postal use - (at least that's what the site seems to be inferring and is what I will assume for the time being). I was also having some trouble sorting the "grey paper" varieties from the white paper set which, because the white paper isn't truly white, I found hard to do at night under artificial light (when I usually find time to work on my collection). In daylight, using the catalogue and the web site, it was easy to do.
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 27, 2021 23:32:00 GMT
Received today, a very nice 40 Heller 13 x 13-1/2 with lacquer bars 1904 issue, Michel 115C  |
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Post by fkarl on Sept 29, 2021 0:31:21 GMT
Nice stamp. It’s tough to get one with the perfs as nice as this one!
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Post by JeffS on Mar 9, 2022 17:14:52 GMT
Three lovely Austrian socked-on-the-nose postmarks:
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Post by anglobob on Mar 16, 2022 14:15:19 GMT
A recent purchase of late 19th century stamps,mostly with socked-on-the-nose postmarks.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 16, 2022 15:19:01 GMT
A recent purchase of late 19th century stamps,mostly with socked-on-the-nose postmarks. I'll bet there's a nice assortment of perfs in there!! Nice find!!! |
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