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Post by BC on Feb 10, 2016 4:22:00 GMT
1929-30 Definitives: 24g Shade I.D. help wanted. Sorting through a batch of early Austria, I found these two stamps depicting Saltzburg. Scott lists #332 as maroon and #333 as lake. I THINK the one on the left is maroon and the right is lake. Any opinions?  |
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Post by cjd on Feb 10, 2016 4:53:17 GMT
I'd agree.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 10, 2016 5:18:29 GMT
Should this post be under Austria : Stamps?
If we have a new thread for every question, then this forum will end up like all the rest, a mish-mash.
C'mon guys.
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Post by BC on Feb 10, 2016 5:38:39 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean Rod. I don't see any sub-categories under Austria, just a bunch of postings  Edited: OK I think you mean the title - I revised it to incorporate Austria: Stamps: |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 10, 2016 6:49:24 GMT
BC Sorry Brian, you probably are not aware of what we are trying to achieve here, I should have explained. Countless hours have been spent, by Admin and staff, to organise a stamp forum based on a Library, if you look at "Home", all countries are laid out like a Scott catalogue. There is no stamp forum elsewhere like it. We encourage members to put there stamps under the main countries headings. so your post would have been ideally under Austria : Stamps When this is done, you can certainly type, things like "Help colour opinions" or whatever you like. When new members bring in bad habits from other forums. it will end up with threads like "look what I got today" "help with these" "cover question" results in 1000's of wasted posts and help. When a new member joins, and he is an Austrian Fan, he can load our thread, and spend hours reading about his specialty, your post would be included and be helpful. ALL information in 1 spot. I hope I didn't offend, it's all the hard work we have put in. BTW: My opinion on your stamps, the Lake is on the Left.
Looking at Gibbons Maroon is 1929, Crimson is 1930 Maroon is the darker shade, given that, yes, Maroon is on the Left, Crimson on the right (but it looks more carmine to me)
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Post by BC on Feb 11, 2016 13:54:49 GMT
Thanks Cjd and Rod. I am currently making my page for this 1929 definitive set.
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Post by bobby1948 on Feb 11, 2016 14:09:05 GMT
Countless hours have been spent, by Admin and staff, to organise a stamp forum based on a Library, if you look at "Home", all countries are laid out like a Scott catalogue. There is no stamp forum elsewhere like it. Yes! As a newbie here (but an old hand at stamp forums in general), I can attest to the ease of navigating and locating pertinent areas in which to post and areas of interest to browse. Keep up the good work and I will do my best to comply with the plan.
P.S. Feel free to move this post should it prove a better fit elsewhere.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 12, 2016 0:05:58 GMT
Wow! thanks for your vote of support.
We humans are delicate creatures, we can be offended so easily by a word out of turn.
The line between encouraging members to partner the direction we try to go,
and criticism, is a small one
Hope everyone appreciates Admins, Moderators and Steve's work behind the scenes.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 17, 2016 19:12:03 GMT
My recent focus has been on sorting, selecting, and mounting early Austrian issues. As many of these are not too expensive, I was able to acquire many copies readily through the old "penny box" type of mixtures. As a result, I have many copies of some of the more common issues to sort through. I had so many of these, in fact, that it has now become a priority for me to create space in my storage file by clearing out all of the Austria duplicates.
When I did my first intro post, a number of members asked me to post photos from my albums, which are the old brown cover Scott Internationals. That first volume is for 19th Century stamps, so here is the first post from my album, showing the first page of Austria, with some stamps which I recently mounted there.
Now, if anyone can help me with the serious "curling" issue about which I started a new thread earlier today, then I will be able to mount the 1867 15-kr issue, which I cannot get to lie flat!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 17, 2016 19:17:29 GMT
Here are the first two pages of Austria from my brown-cover Scott International 19th Century album:
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Post by jkjblue on Dec 17, 2016 19:41:11 GMT
Thanks for showing the Brown album with your stamps. I, for one, would enjoy more of this.  As far as stamp curling, I don't have specific remedies, but it is , in general, a paper/moisture issue. I recall working on my classical era Persia collection at home (elevation 400 feet) in the summer- no problem. When I took the stamps to work on them at our central Oregon cabin (elevation 4000 ft) with very dry humidity, they all began to curl! |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 17, 2016 20:05:29 GMT
Thanks for showing the Brown album with your stamps. I, for one, would enjoy more of this. As far as stamp curling, I don't have specific remedies, but it is , in general, a paper/moisture issue. I recall working on my classical era Persia collection at home (elevation 400 feet) in the summer- no problem. When I took the stamps to work on them at our central Oregon cabin (elevation 4000 ft) with very dry humidity, they all began to curl! Thanks for the "like" and response, Big Blue! Yes, I promise to show off more of my brown Scott Int'l albums in future posts. I really like the fact that I can go after complete sets and have spaces for all of the stamps. I think my love of the Canada 1897 Jubilee issue may have played a role in my moving away from the blue Scott Int'l album. I wanted to have spaces enough for the whole set, even though I knew it would take me a long time to complete it, and it would eat up a lot of my stamp budget.
Thanks for your comments about the differences in elevation having an effect on my stamps. I think you have hit the nail on the head! Where I live in northern Arizona is at 5200 ft of elevation. I have noticed many more problems with curling since I moved here than when I lived in Cleveland, Ohio at 650 ft of elevation.
That probably explains why earlier this year, after having purchased some stamps while on travel in Singapore (hot, humid, and elevation near sea-level), many of them curled like crazy after I got them home!
Anyway, thanks! I am going to post this info to the other thread, too.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 9, 2017 6:47:07 GMT
Today I was doing a little poking around on the APS Stamp Store online, and I was specifically looking for an Austria #127, which is the 10k denomination (top value) of the set of 18 stamps, and the only one I am missing to complete my set.
The APS website was offering two copies of Austria #127, but one of them was listed as a 1930 reprint from the original plates. I had never heard of this issue before, and it is not mentioned in the Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue, either. In Scott, it mentions that "Lithographed forgeries of No. 127 exist", but I could not find any further information. Please see the two images below of the stamps posted on APS Stamp Store:
This is the one labelled as a 1930 reprint and is selling for only $6.00
This one is listed as a genuine used copy with a catalogue value of $65.00
Can anyone comment on how to tell the 1930 reprint from the 1908 original? They both look pretty good to me....
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 14:54:48 GMT
Calling the 1908 a "reprint" may be a little much. I prefer "reprint/forgery" in cases where the issue was not an official reprint.  ![]()  Genuine & "reprint" - right click (view image) on them for a larger image - the differences are fairly apparent The 1910 also had a similar twin although the source is probably different   Although many of the pre-1900 Austria issues were reprinted, there is no mention of a 1930 reprint - maybe someone else has other info. As for the "reprint" being worth $6 - that's anybody's guess - the fakes are fairly common There is one on eBay right now for $72 - www.ebay.ca/itm/361871530304?rmvSB=true  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 9, 2017 15:38:04 GMT
Thank you very much for the detailed response, Falschung. I had a feeling that you would know all about this. Is the APS source posting correct when it claims that the reprint was made using the original plates?
Your photos do show the differences more clearly, but the overall images do seem remarkably alike.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:47:36 GMT
I have a real problem with this being an "original" die APS notes a Caution on both of the stamps The "used original die" is the seller's wording not APS For example below;  Genuine  "Reprint" The letters are different - in the reprint the "O" is taller and narrower, the top of the "E" is slanted, the right leg of the "R" is curved and there is no long toe, the tip of the bottom leg of the "E" points in the wrong direction, the left side of the "N" is noticeably curved. The left & right numeral frame lines are thinner. The left point of the "1" is not the proper inclination, the center of the "0" is more oval than round. The names below have uneven blurred letters in a different type. If this is the original die then a lot of changes were made to it - which is not an impossibility but doubtful here given how many issues are in just the small section above.. The 1908 was reprinted in 1916 on very different paper and is about 3X the value Also a relatively common plate error exists where the "8" looks like a "3" - 2X value |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 9, 2017 16:59:27 GMT
Great stuff, Falschung, thank you very much for the additional detailed comments! Yes, I understand that the comments on the APS Stamp Store are coming from the seller and not the APS itself. It's disappointing that the APS cannot/does not do a better job of policing inaccurate statements made by sellers on the website.
Clearly, I will need to be very careful as I proceed in my quest to complete my set with a genuine Austria #127. I passed up the chance to buy one of these a few years ago, and I have been kicking myself ever since. Seeing all of the evidence you have presented, which far outstrips any notes in the Scott Classic Catalogue, perhaps I got lucky and avoided being taken in by a reprint/forgery.
Thank you again, Falschung, for sharing your expertise with those of us in need!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 17:45:40 GMT
"Carinthian Plebiscite", issued Sept. 16,1920, valid until Plebiscite Day on Oct. 10, 1920. 19 values, sold at 3X face. Premium was for a fund promoting the Austrian cause. The stamps are reprintings of previous designs in new colours, often on coloured paper, with a typographed overprint "Kärnten Abstimmung", Carinthia vote. The lower values, 5H to 2Kr, are perf 12.5; the higher values (in the Parliament design) are imperf and on granite paper. The 3, 4, 10 & 20Kr stamps are each in 2 colours, so were printed in two operations; alignment marks were provided at the top of the sheets. The numbers printed vary from 300,000 to 495,000; so only 300,000 sets can exist.                    
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:20:44 GMT
"Artists", issued June 9, 1924, invalidated on Jan. 1, 1925 when the Schilling/groschen currency was introduced. 5 values, each with indicated 3X surcharge (eg "100+300") hence sold at 4X face. For child welfare and T.B. relief. The designs depict: 100Kr Art as Comforter; 300Kr Agriculture and Handicraft; 500Kr Mother love; 600Kr Charity; 1000Kr Fruitful Nature. Designed by Karl Sterrer the younger; photogravure; perf 12.5 ANK Catalog     
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:25:38 GMT
"Nibelungensage", issued Mar. 8, 1926, valid until Oct. 31,1938. The Nibelungen saga is an heroic saga that has been handed down for centuries in numerous versions. Sold to raise funds for child welfare charities. Designed by Prof Wilhelm Dachauer. The 3g, 15g and 24g stamps were engraved by Rupert Franke and the others by Rudolf Zenziger. The issue was recess printed and line perforated 12.5 The stamps occur in two sizes; either 27.5mm wide x 28.5mm long or 28.5mm wide x 27.5mm long. The usual explanation for the two sizes of stamps is that the paper was wetted prior to printing. Depending on the grain of the paper, it would then shrink accordingly on drying.  A series        ANK 493 A & B
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 11:31:33 GMT
"Winterhilfe", Winter Relief , issued Dec. 15, 1933, valid until Apr. 30, 1934 (high value), Oct. 11, 1934 (lower values). The high value was printed in smaller quantities (60,000), and only available at selected Post Offices as part of a set.The lower values (1,000,000 printed) were on sale everywhere. Four existing designs were printed in new colours and the surcharge added (5+2, 12+3, 24+6, 1S+50).     
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 13:38:04 GMT
"F.I.S. World Championship", issued 9.1.1933, valid until 31.3.1933. 4 values, sold only at selected Post Offices (could be ordered from others), at 2X face, to raise funds for the Championship for Youth Charities. Photogravure; images from photographs and frames by Rudolf Junk; line perf 12.5 The stamps were sold in complete sets, and in addition the 12g & 30g were sold separately. The quantities printed were 80,000 (12g), 50,000 (24g), 65,000 (30g), and 50,000 (50g).     
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 10:22:52 GMT
"Winterhilfe", Winter Relief, issued Nov 11, 1935, valid until Jan 1, 1936. Surcharge for winter relief (5+2, 12+3, 24+6, 1S+50). The high value was printed in smaller quantities (70,000), and only available at selected Post Offices as part of a set; the lower values (300,000 printed) were on sale everywhere. There are forgeries of these.     
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:05:52 GMT
Winter Relief, "Winterhilfe", issued Nov. 2, 1936, valid till Oct. 17, 1937. Surcharge for winter relief (5+2, 12+3, 24+6, 1S+1S). The high value was printed in smaller quantities (100,000), and only available at selected Post Offices as part of a set The lower values were on sale everywhere (450,000 of the 5+2 and the 12+3; 400,000 of the 24+6). Frames designed by Prof Franz Retzl, centers by Prof Rudolf Jettmar. Printed in photogravure on chalky paper; line perf 12.5     
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
The last issues "Mothers Day", issued May 5, 1937, valid until Dec. 31, 1937. Although there was no surcharge some of the proceeds were to be used for Mothers' Relief; initial sales were via the Patriotic Front and seem to have been conditional on also purchasing one of their propaganda cards. 2,000,000 copies printed. Design: Franz Kraft. Printed in photogravure on chalky paper; line perf 12.5   Winter Relief, "Winterhilfe", issued Oct 18, 1937, valid until June 30, 1938. Surcharge for winter relief (5+2, 12+3, 24+6, 1S+1S). The high value was printed in smaller quantities (200,000), and only available at selected Post Offices as part of a set (where it rapidly sold out) The lower values (700,000 of each) were on sale everywhere. Design by Prof Ferdinand Kitt. Photogravure, perf 12.      |
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Jul 29, 2017 14:23:24 GMT
Wow, great thread. I too have recently started with Austria classics, acquiring most stamps in cheap lots, much like Chris. Here's a curious question: In the stamp displayed below, is that a legitimate error in break in lines (left side inside circle at the eye level of Emperor Franz) or it's been caused by stamps that might have been stuck together? Link to high res image: photos.app.goo.gl/JHKkc0YBKwizrNyO2 |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 29, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
Thanks for reviving this thread, Manish! Unfortunately, I am not much of a "fly-specker", so can't really comment on what you have found.
@falshung knows a lot about Austria, so hopefully he will be able to offer a more meaningful opinion.
When I return home on Tuesday, I will also take a look at my own holdings to see if I have anything similar to yours.
Also, I can see that my previous posts on this thread have blocked PB images, so I will work on replacing those next.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 1, 2017 5:56:06 GMT
Here's a curious question: In the stamp displayed below, is that a legitimate error in break in lines (left side inside circle at the eye level of Emperor Franz) or it's been caused by stamps that might have been stuck together? Link to high res image: photos.app.goo.gl/JHKkc0YBKwizrNyO2I had a look in my Austria specialized catalogues (Michel & Netto) and I don't see anything like your copy. When I looked at the high resolution version, I thought I could see that the paper was whiter where the ink was missing from the design compared to the other areas without ink - that makes me think that it's a damaged stamp, either from being stuck to another stamp or perhaps just scraped along the surface somehow. It's as though the paper surface there is "newer" and hasn't had as much time to get yellow. Ryan |
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