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Post by darkormex on May 31, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
Thank you very much for all your help, Philatarium and khj. There will be more to come.
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Post by darkormex on Jun 1, 2020 1:10:31 GMT
I was going through my dupes and found several more telephone/telegraph cancellations below. Knowing what to look for now, I can see a bit of the character, 便, (편) which, in Korean is pronounced "pyun" and is the second character from the character set, 郵便 (우편), pronounced "upyon", which means postal. Also, the character, 電, (전), pronounced "jun" in Korean and means electric. Here are a couple more. On the 15 sen below, there is again the character, 電, (전), pronounced "jun" and 信, (신), pronounced "shin" and taken together mean telegraph in english. And, isn't that 東京 도쿄 (동경) Tokyo at the top of the circle? One last one that I think may be a telephone/telegraph cancellation is this 1 sen with an almost cleanly socked on the nose cancellation. From your explanation previously, I can see the following characters, 郵便局, but I do not see 信電. To the bottom right of the circle I think I also see 國, (국), pronounced "guk" in Korean with the english meaning of nation or country.
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Post by unechan on Jul 5, 2021 2:49:08 GMT
Dear darcomex, Here’s my observations to your lovely Koban stamps;
- 10 Sen : the postmark could be read as “Yokkaichi postal and telegraph office” 四日市郵便電信局.
- 15 Sen : As you have observed, this is from Tokyo telegraph office 東京電信局, with the last character 局 not being marked in the stamp.
- 1 Sen : This postmark is called as “bisected circular datestamp / vertical inscription type”, and was used for postal money order and postal savings. The postmark is from Biwajima post office, Owari province (now in Aichi prefecture) 尾張國枇杷島郵便局, dated Meiji 25 (1892) January 27th. As you have spotted, 國, (국) is showing the province (today’s prefecture) to which the post office belongs.
Hope this helps, and looking forward to see more interesting postmarks from your collection !
- Hironobu
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Post by unechan on Jul 5, 2021 3:08:00 GMT
Apologies to go off-topic;
As Dave (philatarium) has mentioned, Scott catalogue misspelled the “Bota” cancel, but I am quite certain that they’ve also shown the wrong cancel - it’s a negative cross postmark used to obliterate stamps together with the double circle datestamp.
I have shown an example of this cancel in another thread in this Forum;
please see my posts in the thread “Japan Postal cards”.
- Hironobu
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Post by Philatarium on Jul 5, 2021 3:24:00 GMT
So good to see you back here, unechan, and posting again! You have been missed!
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Post by darkormex on Nov 7, 2022 0:57:50 GMT
Philatarium or unechan, I am assuming these are all foreign mail postmarks. Is this the particular style of foreign mail postmark for a certain time period? The first seems to be a partial postmark of Yokohama and the other two are both Tokyo.
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Post by Philatarium on Nov 7, 2022 17:27:52 GMT
darkormex : I would only have an elementary answer to your question, but in my experience what you're showing is pretty typical. It's the use of the Roman alphabet that distinguishes them. If I recall correctly, I've seen in the past a few examples shown in the JSCA specialized catalog, and if I have any luck digging them up, I'll post some pics here. This is also the type of subject for which the publication of the ISJP (Int'l Society for Japanese Philately), Japanese Philately, has no doubt posted countless articles over the years. Some day I'm going to buy a full digital run of their back issues (it's not that expensive; I just haven't felt like pulling that trigger yet), because it would be great to see what they've published over time. Nevertheless, I will certainly look forward to seeing if unechan weighs in here. He will no doubt have a more fulsome and helpful answer!
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Post by darkormex on Nov 8, 2022 0:40:41 GMT
Philatarium, I have all 3 volumes of the JSCA on my Christmas list and hope that someone will make the effort to order them for me. A lot of Japanese sellers on eBay seem reasonable but if you know of a better place to get it, let me know. I have a several years run of ISJP back issues sitting in a closet in what is now our guest bedroom that have been untouched for years. Maybe it is time to start going through them as they apparently have more relevance to me now than they did when I first started collecting Japan. After tomorrow, I start to slow down at work as we approach the end of the year and may have to start doing a deep dive into these. I am guessing these postmarks are fairly common but I am still interested in knowing whether there are some to look out for more than others.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 8, 2022 13:36:43 GMT
Should I list this in China or Japan or even the thread with foreign postmarks on stamps? Around 1900 with the Boxer rebellion in China about a dozen Western countries (Including Japan) had full time post offices in their various "concessions" Here is a Japan 25 sen legitimately used in TIENTSIN China Hey, I have only just spotted the tiny red overprint now that the image is enlarged! Indicated the issue was for use in CHINA
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Post by darkormex on Nov 19, 2022 2:11:38 GMT
I received this ISJP Monograph in the mail today. I found it on eBay after receiving a suggestion in a Japan philately group I belong to on Facebook. I was able to find a copy from a seller in Minnesota for $3.97 + $3.00 shipping. It is like new and includes an addenda published in 1985. I have already gotten lost in it for about an hour this evening.
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Post by darkormex on Nov 19, 2022 2:26:50 GMT
vikingeck, in case you were wondering, your 25 sen stamp with a Tientsin postmark is a modified comb type postmark where the comb would have been in the inner arc but was replaced by a time indicia. In this case the 0 - 3 means that the letter would have been postmarked between 12pm and 3pm. These postmarks were used in China between 1911 and 1922.
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Post by paul1 on May 9, 2023 17:22:53 GMT
I'm in awe of those here who post date post marks for the day in question - those I see are normally either from last month or six weeks in the future - so, I'm slowly trying to put together groupings for individual months in the hope that I can join the ranks of 'post mark posters'. In the course of my efforts I have the attached Japanese 2 Sen rose (14,800,000) - less desirable than the 5 Sen blue (only 1,000,000 apparently) - a commemorative stamp from 1894 issued in recognition of the 25th wedding anniversary of Emperor Meiji and Empress Haru. But the problem is the obvious one, so very grateful if anyone is able to decipher the post mark as to day/month year. TIA.
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Post by darkormex on May 9, 2023 21:20:43 GMT
paul1, the date on this postmark is Meiji year 27, August 8. Meiji 27 in the Roman calendar is 1894.
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Post by paul1 on May 10, 2023 6:50:15 GMT
darkormex - thank you very much indeed for helping - much appreciated, hopefully, assuming I remember, this one together with your information will be posted on 8th August later this summer.
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Post by stevewisconsin on May 13, 2023 3:12:55 GMT
Newbie here. Retired and getting back into the hobby. Japan to 1945. Awaiting delivery of my first purhased Japanese cover from Australia. 1937. Sellers image:
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Post by stevewisconsin on May 13, 2023 3:15:51 GMT
Here is the entire. Sellers image:
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