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Post by renden on Jul 21, 2019 22:19:57 GMT
Thanks René, your too kind 😊 Sorry, I haven't studied these German postmarks yet, so I don't know what 'VIII' signifies. Maybe simply counter number / clerk at that particular postoffice that day, but that's purely a guess from my end. I would be curious to know of someone more knowledgeable can enlighten us 😊 Nice to know nobody found the VIII at the bottom of the postmark......... blaamand - I know you will find it and share with us René
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Post by feebletodix on Jul 22, 2019 7:36:56 GMT
From my little experience this is most likely the date head of a machine. A cancellation with either with wavy lines or slogan next to it. If it was British I would say that is the machine number. It might be a duty reference but most likely the eighth such sorting machine in Berlin.
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Post by stamphinger on Jul 22, 2019 12:24:38 GMT
Hi feebletodix:
Could well be, but, while not wishing to argue, I will restate my previous observation, if so, why do we not see cancels from the other seven machines? Possibly, because the others are in Arabic numerals, but then there is also the identification of the letters to the right of that bottom center number. I think it may be necessary to go to a Germany specialist site for a definitive answer. Does anyone know of one? Or I might give another site such as SCF, a try.
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Post by Admin on Jul 22, 2019 14:59:40 GMT
Perhaps PostmasterGS can provide some insight on the matter.
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Post by alanl on Jul 31, 2019 17:36:00 GMT
British cancels on Machins.
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Post by stamphinger on Aug 7, 2019 12:33:56 GMT
An update on the discussion regarding Renden's post above. I went to the Germany & Colonies Philatelic Society and posted a query about the symbols and letters at the bottom of the dials in German hand stamps and specifically about the Roman numeral in Renden's post. The gist of the replies that I got is that feebletodix was correct. The numbers and letters in the cancels relate to device numbers post office station numbers and employees using them. The cancel with the Roman numeral, however, is not a hand stamp, but the dial of a machine canceling device. The use of a Roman number at the bottom of the dial was previously unknown and of interest to the society's cancellation experts. They are continuing to look into it. So, from a cancel perspective Renden's stamp (now blaamand's?) is a special one at this time. I hope cancel collectors reading this will watch for other examples of a German cancellation with a Roman numeral in the dial and report finds here.
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Post by renden on Aug 7, 2019 13:00:59 GMT
Still have the stamp as I am accumulating more postmarks for Jon blaamand ,, my friend from Norge. René
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Post by blaamand on Aug 7, 2019 14:23:03 GMT
stamphinger - thanks for checking and establishing what those mysterious numbers mean! Quite interesting they were out of the ordinary, need to get home to my own Germans and check! renden - thanks a lot, you know you are sending it to someone that will take good care of it
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Post by renden on Aug 7, 2019 14:52:02 GMT
renden - thanks a lot, you know you are sending it to someone that will take good care of it You are the man, Jon
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Post by stamphinger on Aug 7, 2019 16:47:50 GMT
I need to make a correction to my post above re: the symbols and numbers at the bottom of the German hand stamp dials. The Arabic numerals refer to postal stations, not device numbers according to my correspondent at the Germany & Colonies Philatelic Society. The Roman numeral's use/significance in the machine canceling device is unknown at this time.
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Post by blaamand on Aug 7, 2019 17:33:21 GMT
Ok, thanks stamphinger. The arabic numerals were already known anyway, similar numbers were used for many major cities in Europe at the time. So with the roman numbers now back as 'unknown' we are simply back to square one then...mystery unsolved
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 7, 2019 17:39:36 GMT
Now I have to check my postmarks from that period to. Thanks a lot for the research. 👍
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Post by alanl on Aug 9, 2019 23:33:56 GMT
Some nice Machin S.O.N. cancels.
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Post by stamphinger on Aug 15, 2019 13:33:26 GMT
A page of German cancels from the 3rd Reich period. This page includes, in my opinion, my most interesting and controversial cancel. It is the Heidelberg bullseve on Sc. B291, the Volksturm issue of 1945. Note the sequential numbers in the date and time line of the cancel. There are at least four possibilities that I can think of: 1: It is a genuine coincidental cancel, 2: It was a favor cancel for a local collector, 3. It was applied by a postal clerk to several stamps with the objective of selling them at profit, 4: It was applied by a U.S. soldier-collector who looted a post office and carried off a canceling device and some stamps. There may be other possibilities that I have not thought of. I am interested in opinions on this cancel. Don StampHinger
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Post by alanl on Aug 23, 2019 19:07:40 GMT
Another group of British cancels on Machins.
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 28, 2019 19:41:58 GMT
Greenland, SDR STRØMFJORD 1978 Michel GL 75 Scott GL 71 Yvert et Tellier GL 62 Stanley Gibbons GL 69 AFA number GL 75 Unificato GL 62
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 5, 2019 18:31:25 GMT
A page of Argentinian stamps with bullseye cancels. It is difficult to find decent cancels from South American countries and, indeed, a couple of these are weak strikes.
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 7, 2019 12:32:45 GMT
Another page from South America, Brazil in this case, mostly from Rio. Also difficult to find clear cancels from this country. The "collection" cancel on the bottom center stamp is different.
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 9, 2019 22:33:36 GMT
I spent most of the afternoon laying out and printing the two following pages of Swedish stamps. I've been intending to do this for weeks now. Tomorrow I'll tackle my accumulated Peru cancels.
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 12, 2019 16:08:56 GMT
I've been laying out a page for slogan cancels on WW stamps and will include this one from New Zealand which I found interesting. Looks like it may be from a booklet pane. Besides hitting the pair just right for a cancel telling postal patrons to call friends on the other island, it includes tabs on each end urging people to buy Parisian ties. A combination I've not seen beore. Don StampHinger
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Post by alanl on Oct 10, 2019 0:29:50 GMT
Another bunch of Machins with British cancels.
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Post by tobben63 on Oct 30, 2019 12:25:34 GMT
Mauritius Post mark MAHEBOURG (8 may 1911) on the eastside of the main island. Michel MU 132 Scott MU 138 Yvert et Tellier MU 132 Stanley Gibbons MU 182
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Post by tobben63 on Nov 10, 2019 4:24:26 GMT
Some postmark from around UK
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Post by feebletodix on Nov 10, 2019 9:38:43 GMT
A nice small collection, they are mostly heads without slogans from machine cancellations and a couple of partial slogans However on the 4th row, the stamp on the right with the London IS cancel, could you take a larger image of that please and post it on the GB postmarks thread because Alan does not have a copy of that one in his database.
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Post by alanl on Nov 12, 2019 19:51:10 GMT
The last of my SON Machins.
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Post by tobben63 on Nov 13, 2019 15:12:52 GMT
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Post by tobben63 on Nov 13, 2019 20:50:17 GMT
And some more
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Post by stamphinger on Nov 13, 2019 21:02:16 GMT
tobben63
Those are really nicely placed cancels. Great collection.
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Post by blaamand on Nov 13, 2019 21:08:10 GMT
Very nice indeed tobben63 - are you entering the madness of collecting different postmarks as well?? Welcome
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Post by tobben63 on Nov 13, 2019 21:19:02 GMT
Very nice indeed tobben63 - are you entering the madness of collecting different postmarks as well?? Welcome It's tempting But the Queen head's are sold.
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