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Post by brightonpete on Feb 2, 2019 15:22:57 GMT
My first attempt to print a Steiner page on black paper was a complete failure. I modified a Steiner page and changed everything to yellow and printed on my HP color laser printer. I see a faint outline on the page if you look closely. Hmm. I was not expecting a lot due to thin lines (border, stamp box) but even the text was barely visible. I will need to try something bolder now. When you are happy, show us the results. I just figured nothing would appear to be visible using black paper. Even the maroon paper I have makes it near impossible to see. Too bad one can't print white! I used a silver pen to write on the black pages. Looked nice... |
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 2, 2019 23:52:10 GMT
Hi
Try this. Change your document font to silver or white and then try printing. Realize you may not see anything on your page. In theory this should work.
I am assuming that you have not tried this. In the past I have printed white text on a dark background for shelf labels. I am using a 4 color inkjet, but that should not make a difference.
If you are going to use RGB (Red, Green, Blue) colors remember that white is RGB(255,255,255) and black is RGB(0,0,0)
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Post by angore on Feb 3, 2019 10:50:58 GMT
I plan to create a page with various options. I was using 255,255,0. I suspect I may need to make the fonts bolder to actually have more ink put down.
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Post by angore on Feb 3, 2019 16:40:48 GMT
This was my print test printout with a colorful pattern on black paper. I do not think I will try any more with my laser printer. Lasers may do differently than inkjets.  |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 3, 2019 20:03:29 GMT
I'd say it would be about the same on inkjet, if not worse...
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 3, 2019 20:11:55 GMT
Hi angore
I agree with brightonpete. The type of printer should not make a major difference.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 3, 2019 22:58:54 GMT
Hi If you want to print on black, realize that any color other than white, or some other light color such as the above mentioned silver, is going look "cruddy", as the above example. To see what something will print as, do the following: 1. Import, or paste, the document into WORD2. Change the document page color to black
3. Change the Font color to any that you wish. You can then see what the document will look like without wasting time printing. If you leave the default font color, usually black, MS WORD will select a contrasting font color, most probably white or black. If you want to waste ink, you can print the document but it is advisable not do so. Somewhere I saw a print option to not print the document background, but don't remember where I saw it, senior moment There are tables on the web for different colors and color codes, most notably the RGB values. In WORD you can always enter one of the custom RGB codes into the Color dialog using the Custom tab. FYI: blog.hubspot.com/marketing/color-theory-designCaveat: 2/4/2019 The above may not work due to Office selecting contrasting colors. Jerry B |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 5, 2019 21:41:27 GMT
I've started building a PDF template with different size "boxes" for various stamps, pairs, blocks, etc, and place into a blank page (border only) with a title text box... may try and import into Illustrator and see if I can anchor a few things, and it may be better at getting spacing correct and uniform
I can see this is going to be a slow process....
The free downloadable pages don't provide me with what I think I might want (this too could change)
and being on a Mac seems somewhat problematic with some of the page maker options, and some of the open code scripts are a bit over my head...
I still haven't looked Graphics, but I have the Adobe suite (which offers everything and more.... way more than is needed for this)
Next is to cut mount to the sizes being used
OTOH, I could probably make life easier and just accept what's available....
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Post by renden on Feb 5, 2019 22:11:20 GMT
stainlessbyou will find what's best for you and enjoy experimenting as I have done all my life !! The best is to come.... René on PC (not MAC)
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Post by BermudaSailor on Feb 7, 2019 17:43:15 GMT
I print out my Steiner pages on 67# Ivory acid free stock from Staples. I use a corner cutter punch to round the corners.
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Post by renden on Feb 7, 2019 18:28:20 GMT
I print out my Steiner pages on 67# Ivory acid free stock from Staples. I use a corner cutter punch to round the corners. 67 lbs would be cardboard, thick and I buy from Staples Canada, so it is in metric 170g/m2 for inkjet/laser 150 sheets per pack - I was looking at the conversion charts and they mix me up as I have been "metric" fr many years !! btw  to TSF - do not remember your introduction - post often !! René |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 7, 2019 18:39:53 GMT
67 lbs would be cardboard, thick and I buy from Staples Canada, so it is in metric 170g/m2 for inkjet/laser 150 sheets per pack - I was looking at the conversion charts and they mix me up as I have been "metric" fr many years !! btw to TSF - do not remember your introduction - post often !! René I looked at the Office Depot 250 per pack, considered a "medium" cardstock" about $7.00 a pack... now I just have to find one in my area that actually has inventory
Despite not even being close to getting through the WW sorting/soaking/ and cataloguing (not to mention settling on a disposal strategy) I am almost ready to start printing "test" pages to make sure I have boxes that match the Showguard mounts...which requires I crawl around in the attic and see if my old paper cutter is up to the task
I need to retire- work is getting in the way!
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 7, 2019 19:08:34 GMT
The paper I use is averted as 80#. But it doesn't seem that heavy. It is a good weight for double-sided printing. And renden , BermudaSailor iis fairly new here. Just give him a chance! tomiseksj: is there a reason BermudaSailor isn't searchable using the "Insert User Link" option? |
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 7, 2019 19:17:56 GMT
... tomiseksj : is there a reason BermudaSailor isn't searchable using the "Insert User Link" option? Because his user name (davidprovost) is different from his display name (BermudaSailor). |
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Post by renden on Feb 7, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
... tomiseksj : is there a reason BermudaSailor isn't searchable using the "Insert User Link" option? Because his user name (davidprovost) is different from his display name (BermudaSailor). This goes to brightonpete and tomiseksjI do not know why my positive comment stirred up the response received - it might be that I translate (in my head and very fast....from "french" to "english") and at times results do not come out as expected (in my mind and yours !!) Life is too short and davidprovost is welcome, as stated, on TSF - no problemo with me - glad to see and read new people René |
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 7, 2019 22:31:10 GMT
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Just a quick heads up. I had my custom quadrille pages printed on 65 pound paper. Now I need a small crane to lift an album. A 1" binder when filled weighs a ton. When I have more pages printed, I would probably use a little lighter paper weight.
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 7, 2019 22:51:45 GMT
René ( renden), My only response to your post was a smile and brief chuckle as David joined the forum about 18 months before you did (thus explaining why you hadn't seen his intro).  With regard to Steiner pages, I don't print them often but when I do, I do so on 24 lb paper and then 3-hole punch them for placement in binders -- the stamps are then mounted in Showgards. I've yet to damage any stamps or pages when flipping so the weight seems sufficient for my purposes. |
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Post by renden on Feb 7, 2019 23:19:39 GMT
René ( renden ), My only response to your post was a smile and brief chuckle as David joined the forum about 18 months before you did (thus explaining why you hadn't seen his intro). With regard to Steiner pages, I don't print them often but when I do, I do so on 24 lb paper and then 3-hole punch them for placement in binders -- the stamps are then mounted in Showgards. I've yet to damage any stamps or pages when flipping so the weight seems sufficient for my purposes. Thanks tomiseksj ! David joined in 2016.........we are in 2019 so no surprise for my welcome (now that I know !) 24 lb paper seems OK.....mine is a little heavier in metric but ones choice is ones choice....as long as it works well I cannot buy Showgards in Eastern Canada so I buy from a Montreal stamp dealer and choose "Uni-safe" (Unitrade Assoc) mounts or similar product - no problems yet. René |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 8, 2019 0:43:22 GMT
Hi Just a quick heads up. I had my custom quadrille pages printed on 65 pound paper. Now I need a small crane to lift an album. A 1" binder when filled weighs a ton. When I have more pages printed, I would probably use a little lighter paper weight. Jerry B Well gosh golly. If that's the darn tooting' case, then mine can't be anywhere near 80#! I just checked with the company and they list the orange paper as: "100 x Basis Orange 8 1/2" x 11" 80 lb. cover weight Matte Cardstock" It must be a lighter 80# version. Although a 2-inch binder I found to be unwieldily! 1-½" is the biggest I'll get, at least until I've been to the gym & packed on some weight!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 8, 2019 0:56:09 GMT
Hi Just a quick heads up. I had my custom quadrille pages printed on 65 pound paper. Now I need a small crane to lift an album. A 1" binder when filled weighs a ton. When I have more pages printed, I would probably use a little lighter paper weight. Jerry B Well gosh golly. If that's the darn tooting' case, then mine can't be anywhere near 80#! I just checked with the company and they list the orange paper as: "100 x Basis Orange 8 1/2" x 11" 80 lb. cover weight Matte Cardstock" It must be a lighter 80# version. Although a 2-inch binder I found to be unwieldily! 1-½" is the biggest I'll get, at least until I've been to the gym & packed on some weight! well I've ordered a sleeve of 65#, and I'll weigh it when It arrives- I was thinking of 3" D-ring binders, but maybe I should rethink?!? |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 8, 2019 1:00:13 GMT
well I've ordered a sleeve of 65#, and I'll weigh it when It arrives- I was thinking of 3" D-ring binders, but maybe I should rethink?!? You'll build up your muscles with that 3" binder. I just think 2" is a bit too much, but then that is just my opinion... |
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Post by angore on Feb 8, 2019 11:20:19 GMT
Comparing papers by the text, cover, index, etc descriptions is confusing because the basis weight varies (size of paper used to calculate weight). The simplest method is to use metric since it is just uses common measurement method and most papers carry the metric rating in US. I use Domtar advertised as 28# bond / 70# Text which is 104 g/m2 (grams per square meter) and Staples 67# cover which is 167g/m2. The finish varies by type as well. Text/Bond, etc is very smooth but cover is not as smooth. Paper thickness is a rough guide but can vary depending on process.  |
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Post by blaamand on Feb 8, 2019 16:36:12 GMT
I am using 160 g/m2 light cream paper. Seems perfect for my use and suitable for printing on both sides. Feels like thin cardboard, so the album page is durable and capable of being removed, worked on, flipped around etc without any risk. Here's an example with my custom Brasil pages currently being worked on. LINK HIGH-RES IMAGE |
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Post by renden on Feb 8, 2019 16:44:36 GMT
Very nice Jon and I use 170 g/m2.
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 8, 2019 20:12:45 GMT
Well I've committed to 65# and Avery sheet protectors for now, I'll report back when they arrive and I print some mock-ups
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Post by renden on Feb 8, 2019 20:34:27 GMT
Well I've committed to 65# and Avery sheet protectors for now, I'll report back when they arrive and I print some mock-ups
Thanks everyone
At 65# you are pretty close to what I use (in metric) - hope you like it and it is not too bulky - Blaamand is using the same stuff (in #) as I do. Cheers René |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 8, 2019 20:42:13 GMT
stainlessb At 65# you are pretty close to what I use (in metric) - hope you like it and it is not too bulky - Blaamand is using the same stuff (in #) as I do. Cheers René I have 250 attempts to decide! |
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Post by renden on Feb 8, 2019 20:44:14 GMT
stainlessb At 65# you are pretty close to what I use (in metric) - hope you like it and it is not too bulky - Blaamand is using the same stuff (in #) as I do. Cheers René I have 250 attempts to decide! Inkjet or Laser ? Me: inkjet - love it but ($$) !! |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 8, 2019 22:02:19 GMT
stainlessb Inkjet or Laser ? Me: inkjet - love it but ($$) !! Laser- B/W at home and color at work -if higher resolution is needed, but I think the home printer will be just fine |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 12, 2019 2:23:37 GMT
paper, sheet protectors, and Showguards arrived today (and an additional pair of tweezers). More galssine's should arrive in the next few, and I made a new "tray" for placing the envelopes... (I'm now looking for an old library card catalog cabinet, ormay just build one for the next woodworking project)
and yesterday (sigh) i discovered PMGSSAPG_scribus and thusly so LibreOffice....so now my template efforts may have taken a back seat as I try and get through the newest learning curve asn this seems a superior way to proceed
with the new scanner, today I requested a quote on a 1TB removable HD just for "stamping" stuff!
this is taking on a life of it's own....I fear this may cost me some shopping excursions and maybe a redecoration/remodel.....
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