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Post by banknoteguy on Sept 25, 2021 15:55:42 GMT
Plate 77 Penny Red
Does yours have the plate #77 in the right and left margins???
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Post by WERT on Sept 25, 2021 16:03:34 GMT
Does yours have the plate #77 in the right and left margins???
Hi banknoteguy
Not sure what you mean..Oh well..Guess i will just through ti in the box again
Probably not worth going any further....Thanks my friend.
Robert
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Post by banknoteguy on Sept 25, 2021 16:08:47 GMT
The plate #s are engraved in the marginal decorations of each stamp. See outside of yellow lines below:
The codes in the corners are not the critical part.
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Post by radiocruncher on Sept 25, 2021 16:54:07 GMT
Plate 77 unless I’m mistaken is extremely rare and is worth a small fortune
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Post by banknoteguy on Sept 25, 2021 16:58:44 GMT
Correct. I think 7 or 8 certified examples. Don't hold me to that. The image I posted was a certified example that sold for about GBP500,000 in 2016.
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Post by WERT on Sept 25, 2021 17:33:43 GMT
Hi guys I am having a hard time understanding what i am looking at with reguards to the yellow lines. I know my stamp is probably not a plate 77.
Here is a picture of my stamp showing the area of the yellow lines. Robert
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Post by khj on Sept 25, 2021 17:41:03 GMT
Yeah, it's definitely not plate 77. Sorry WERT. It's probably a plate 129. |
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Post by banknoteguy on Sept 25, 2021 17:48:35 GMT
Penny Red Plate Numbers
1864-1879 Penny Reds have the plate number embedded in the scroll work on each side of the stamp. Plate numbers used for these Penny Reds include Plate 71 to Plate 225 (Numbers 69,70, 75,126, & 128 were never used because of defects; Plates 226 - 228 were made, but never used). Plate 77 is the rarest.
Sometimes the plate number is easy to read off, sometimes not. On your image, I see a 9 but can't read the whole number. The number could be three digits e.g., the image below is plate 220 which I think you should be able to see quite clearly:
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Post by WERT on Sept 25, 2021 17:50:56 GMT
ooh..now i see it..Thanks guys.
Robert
I think mine is a 129
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Post by renden on Sept 25, 2021 18:08:03 GMT
ooh..now i see it..Thanks guys.
Robert
I think mine is a 129
Looks like it Robert !! Who can argue with you ?  |
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Post by renden on Sept 25, 2021 18:34:07 GMT
Just realized this was a CERTIFICATE thread and that some of us are good highjackers since ADMIN has not reacted.......YET  |
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Post by khj on Sept 25, 2021 18:56:50 GMT
Somebody has to keep admin busy...  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 25, 2021 19:06:55 GMT
Not that busy but I did move the posts to this more suitable thread. |
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Post by renden on Sept 25, 2021 20:36:29 GMT
Thanks LB1
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 19, 2022 12:57:49 GMT
I am never sure if I like my only copy of the 1867 5 shilling Queen Victoria. For a little piece of paper there is a lot going on. The centering is terrible but the SON LIVERPOOL EXCHANGE postmark is nice. I am never sure if a stamp being perfin is a good thing or a bad thing. The R.R.C M is for Robert Rodgers & Co. of Liverpool. I am assuming that is salvage edge on the bottom. 
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 19, 2022 16:01:42 GMT
hdm1950 I just read in an 1967 France & Colonies Philately newsletter (researching Type Sage) a short blurb about prefins being consifered damaged/flawed stamps with most being sold by dealers for pennies, with higher CV stamps maybe being sold for $1.00. They went on to say that there were maybe 50 perfin collectors in Europe and less in the US. Personally I rather like them, and yours is a beauty. Heres my only 5 Shilling QV, Postark is a bit blurred, but I believe it is Piccadilly, though no idea what B.O.,W might mean 
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Post by daniel on Feb 19, 2022 18:10:58 GMT
hdm1950 I just read in an 1967 France & Colonies Philately newsletter (researching Type Sage) a short blurb about prefins being consifered damaged/flawed stamps with most being sold by dealers for pennies, with higher CV stamps maybe being sold for $1.00. They went on to say that there were maybe 50 perfin collectors in Europe and less in the US. Personally I rather like them, and yours is a beauty. Heres my only 5 Shilling QV, Postark is a bit blurred, but I believe it is Piccadilly, though no idea what B.O.,W might mean Almost certainly, Branch Office, West |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 7, 2022 19:47:14 GMT
by the way, a note to those who think otherwise ...................... there is no such thing as a small fortune - all fortunes are massive, that's why they're called f................
the attached are all Jubilee half pennies - SG 197 I think - and issued first in 1887. The colour is apparently vermilion, but whenever I see this stamp the word orange always comes to mind - my mind has a problem with the word vermilion since I never learned this word as a child, and mixing with the lower working classes they also never used the word.
The stamp is common and cheap as chips, but it's bright and cheery and presumably in view of the low value it found a ready home in various Colonial and Empire locations - to perform as overprints - where one half penny went a long way in 1887, in terms of postal charges.
Anyway, this lot came as an ebay purchase some couple of years back, and I've only just started to look at them, so expect you all know more than me already about these. I had to do a double take on the pair from Kells (Meath - Ireland) - why the sender felt the need to add them opposed I can't think - perhaps some code, who knows.
Some confusion on my part and I thought a mistake in writing Benin (Nigeria) below the Oil Rivers overprint - the confusion was due to me confusing Oil Rivers with the Orange River area in (presumably Orange Free State), South Aftrica - the Oil Rivers Protectorate is in Nigeria.
If you have one with the Pears Soap ad. on the back it should fetch you a few hundred notes, and there are other rarities - a mint doubly printed example could be your real nest egg. The stamp appears to have remained unchanged until the Monarch's demise in 1901, when the design and colour changed for Ed. VII. Hope of some interest to those who, like me, have an interest in overprints, and since most here will know more than more about these, please fire away with comments if you wish. There are many more in this half-penny vermilion (I always want to put two ells), so might post a few more in the coming weeks.     
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 9, 2022 1:30:05 GMT
I was spending some time looking through my Great Britain collection this evening and thought I would share what I have mounted as a 2 penny blue SG5/Sc2. I could be mistaken on this. The signature or expertise mark on the back may be familiar to some one.   |
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Post by JeffS on Dec 9, 2022 1:55:10 GMT
hdm1950 full-margin classic stamps make me smile really big.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 9, 2022 14:13:02 GMT
I was spending some time looking through my Great Britain collection this evening and thought I would share what I have mounted as a 2 penny blue SG5/Sc2. I could be mistaken on this. The signature or expertise mark on the back may be familiar to some one. Now why would you wonder if you were “mistaken”? This is indeed the sister stamp to the penny black.The 1840 Twopence blue (ie without the white lines of the commoner 1841 type) imperf. Wmk small crown, cancelled with a red Maltese cross. these ancient expertising marks are mostly meaningless these days and with good scans unnecessary. I believe there was a convention about the position which indicated genuine or fake ……but I ignore them as they are frequently wrong. by the way I’m still looking for my 4 margin example. I have it with a black cancel but not the red. |
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 9, 2022 18:05:30 GMT
Now why would you wonder if you were “mistaken”? This is indeed the sister stamp to the penny black.The 1840 Twopence blue (ie without the white lines of the commoner 1841 type) imperf. Wmk small crown, cancelled with a red Maltese cross. these ancient expertising marks are mostly meaningless these days and with good scans unnecessary. I believe there was a convention about the position which indicated genuine or fake ……but I ignore them as they are frequently wrong. by the way I’m still looking for my 4 margin example. I have it with a black cancel but not the red. Thanks for your comments vikingeck. The reason I often have doubts on higher value classics is because most of the ones I have came to me by luck from old collections bought or from my dad’s collection. The Scott world wide specialized classics catalogue I use is okay but I understand Stanley Gibbons gives more detail. Although the penny black gets all the hype I personally I feel the big sister 2 penny blue is the nicer stamp. I do have an okay penny black found in a junk box that is pretty decent but this stamp is a superior example. In regards the expertising marks, I agree with you. They are more special interest than having value. Over the years I have accumulated a pretty decent collection of the UK. The classics of the Victorian era are mostly used with some nice cancels. I am more a generalist and accumulator. I suppose I should be studying them more looking for oddities. Thanks again for your input Alex. |
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Post by gstamps on Dec 10, 2022 15:15:04 GMT
Hi I need your help to identify this stamp. The stamp is quite dirty and I don't know if it can withstand cleaning in warm water or in a 3% peroxide solution. It is my only stamp and I have nothing to compare it with to identify its color or the paper. The only certainty is perforation 14. I compared the stamp with the rose red, brown red and red brown colors from the Michel catalog. I hope that the attached images are clear enough for a more precise identification. Thanks PS. Unfortunately, I think that a number is missing from the postal cancellation - possibly 2 or 5?    |
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 10, 2022 16:13:27 GMT
I have soaked many many of these. Sometimes the gum is quite difficult to remove. I have used very hot water with some clear dish soap, followed by a rinse, and have used peroxide fairly often without issue.
Obliteration is I believe 75 , it is possible it might be 175, but that's the only numeral that might possibly fit (if I imaging the arc of the outside of the cancel)
If I had to 'guess" a color based on your scan/color samples, I'd go with 17-11-5 as the closest
Try cropping to just a solid area around the left of the "P" or right of the "E" in POSTAGE, and then scan just a solid area (no hole) of your color sample and compare. I find the difficulty with any of the color samples is they are a nice solid swath, but often hard to find an good solid area on the stamps (i hope that makes sense)
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Post by gstamps on Dec 10, 2022 17:29:32 GMT
Hi stainlessb I found in "philatelicweb" two postal cancellations, 75 of which resemble (or not?) the cancellation on my stamp.   The same color seems close to me (unfortunately, I don't have the Stanley or Scott color catalog) What catalog number is it? and why ? |
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 10, 2022 18:21:52 GMT
hard to say, the "&" on yours looks a bit left of center, but if there is enough room for a 'wider" digit, I suppose the possibilites becomes possibly 5 options (6 if we count 75*) *However, looking at this from SG QV Specialized. I think that you are probably correc t in there being 3 digits.  The translation I get from your color sample is Vivid brown-red SG #29 color choices are red-orange, pale red, or orange-brown- on bluish paper there's even a few more- Have a look her, the images are pretty clear X marks the spot! |
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Post by gstamps on Dec 10, 2022 20:56:16 GMT
stainlessb Unfortunately, I don't have the SG catalog and I didn't understand anything from your answer. Does SG29 have three colors? red-orange, pale red and orange-brown? In the website you refer to, SG29 appears only in red-brown color. What type of paper does SG29 have (white or bluish?) SG 29 is "engraved or re-engraved type" I don't have enough information to equate SG29 with a Scott or Michel catalog number Please, if you can post the catalog page. Thanks PS My stamp is engraved or re-engraved type?
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 10, 2022 23:05:24 GMT
The recent post by Chris brixtonchrome has sent me to my Victorian era pages. The earliest mint I have is this 1869 Scott 30 Plate 15. I love the deep blue colour. I have 4 used Sc 29 & 30 with other plate numbers. This plate number is hard to read but with me squinting with my tongue out I can see the 15 with my jewelers loop. The watermark is very clear. There are hinge remnants and the glue is quite wrinkled. I am wondering if that is normal or was it possibly re-glued at some time.   |
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 10, 2022 23:37:25 GMT
gstampsUnfortunately i cannot tell from your scan, (perhaps someone with better eyes?) ... a few pages from the specialized catalogue would likely just be more confusng. The Majority of the SG QV Specialized catalogue deals with the Penny black and reds. While most on the link I sent are described as red-brown, the very first stamp is orange-red , and if you scroll down there is a deep claret, brick red, and an orange-red. And as you can tell from all the red-brown stamps, there is a fair amount of variance. Your stamp though should be an easy one to identify the plate # with it as centered as it is and the slanted "D" These stamps are tough and what the color is frustrated me to the point of not trying to determine. Even with the SG colour key, used stamps resulted in just too much head scratching. If you plan on digging deeper into these, acquiring a specialized catalogue would be highly recommended
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 11, 2022 2:36:29 GMT
Here is my Sc.30 [Sg.47] deep blue with a pretty nice cancel -- looks like London May 1870. I think it is plate 13. The watermark is very clear from the back side.
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