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Post by renden on Jul 18, 2023 17:16:44 GMT
The plate 77 stamp was just sold by Stanley Gibbons for £120,000 plus 20% = £144,000. Glad you got it, michael
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 18, 2023 17:59:29 GMT
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Post by paul1 on Jul 21, 2023 14:20:59 GMT
As always, I could be wrong, but it appears that there was only one basic 'young head' for Victoria during her entire reign - on stamps for home consumption - unlike some of her Dominions where there is a definite change to the 'Jubilee' and 'old head' designs - the obvious examples are Canada, N. Zealand, Newfoundland and N.S.W. (I think). Perhaps it was a touch of the Dorian Gray, 'keep it out of sight and you will live longer' thought, and that the monarch wouldn't want to see her own aging image on home stamps, plus the thought that it was unlikely she would see stamps from the other sides of various ponds. This vermillion 1/2d. is SG 197 first issued 1887 and printed continually until 1892 - it's apparently called the 'Jubilee Issue' - very unfortunately, as coin collectors will know - the Jubilee 'head' is one of the least flattering busts of Victoria, so probably good that the stamp design didn't follow suit. However, when I was rifling through the collection this morning I did see a 'Jubilee' head on something - but forget now where it was. This value/design was re-issued in 1900 in blue-green and is SG 213 - I've attached a picture of that issue too. Looking back now it seems remarkable that it took thirty years for the G.P.O. to realize that a 1/2d. value was needed, which came in the form of the bantam sized rose-red in 1870 - do I have that correct please?? Here, the No. 13 indicates the officially designated number for the Arbroath P.O., in Scotland (a little north of Dundee), and have a feeling that upper case D means this item was posted in the 'day time' - but correct me please if that's wrong. This vermillion 1/2d. was commandeered for multiple tasks - see attached pix - and is a very commonly seen stamp. This example carries the date of 21.07.1896.
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Post by thegubman on Aug 3, 2023 7:58:34 GMT
Your thoughts on this QV 5d jubilee stamp which looks like the blue colour has been omitted. If you look very closely at the last scan there is a very faint 5d. Has this been chemically treated? Cheers Graham
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 3, 2023 8:40:18 GMT
I think the colour fade is combination of. Sunlight and too long soaking to remove backing paper . The inks used in this issue are notoriously fugitive, but I think UV light is the curse on blue and violet stamps.
I recall a small stamp shop in the SW corner of Leicester Sq in London which had an interesting south facing window 😎😎😎😎
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Post by paul1 on Aug 3, 2023 8:45:11 GMT
I have a suspicion the blue has been removed - though by what means I'm not sure. Faint horizontal lines and traces of blue can be seen still on both sides of the stamp, and the overall appearance of the missing value stamp has a washed out look. Just my opinion of course and I could be very wrong - so let's wait for other more experienced stampers to comment.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 3, 2023 11:05:11 GMT
Your thoughts on this QV 5d jubilee stamp which looks like the blue colour has been omitted. If you look very closely at the last scan there is a very faint 5d. Has this been chemically treated? Cheers Graham
We had a similar discussion in regards an Edward VII 5d I have back in March. Fugitive blue for sure.
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Post by banknoteguy on Aug 3, 2023 11:40:06 GMT
Paull asked, Yes, that is correct. The first UK half-pence stamp was the 1870 issue -- the bantam. It is one that is hard to find well centered with a light cancel but it is not very expensive. It seems to me even harder to find with a sharp impression -- I am not entirely sure such a thing exists. None of the high grade mint examples I have seen, seem all that sharp.
My example (not that great, looking to upgrade):
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Post by paul1 on Aug 3, 2023 13:44:14 GMT
yes, agree, this is one of the most miserable and poorly defined little stamps you can imagine and I say that having something like thirty odd examples, with not one being good, and in the SG Commonwealth and Br. Emp. Catalogue they comment ......."For well-centred, lightly used plus 200%". !!! It's possibly a consequence of being 'small' which may also be responsible for so many examples being poorly centred. IMHO, the ' gutter margin' between stamps is too narrow, and combined with a lack of care when placing paper into the press, caused problems with decent centring - the first in the top line in the attached picture, shows unacceptable quality control. This lack of definition makes reading plate Nos. difficult.
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Post by paul1 on Aug 3, 2023 14:16:15 GMT
there isn't any mention in the main SG Empire catalogue - under either QV or Ed. VII, that this value is known with missing blue - which SG describe as 'ultramarine - and this colour was also used for the 9d. denomination - the Ed. VII defs. simply being copies of the QV designs but with a different monarch on show. Ultramarine was used more extensively as the decades passed right through to the late 1950s I think, most commonly for G. VI and QE II., including some ten shilling denominations and others where ultramine was a self-colour - don't know if there were problems with fading of ultramarine later in the C20. In the hdm1950 Ed. VII 5d., my screen doesn't show any vestige of blue, but those very short horizontal lines (which would have been blue), appear as very faint impressions. In view of the strength of the remaining colour of the stamp, it seems remarkable that the blue should have been fugitive to such an extent.
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Post by REL1948 on Aug 3, 2023 15:21:38 GMT
yes, agree, this is one of the most miserable and poorly defined little stamps you can imagine and I say that having something like thirty odd examples, with not one being good, and in the SG Commonwealth and Br. Emp. Catalogue they comment ......."For well-centred, lightly used plus 200%". !!! It's possibly a consequence of being 'small' which may also be responsible for so many examples being poorly centred. IMHO, the ' gutter margin' between stamps is too narrow, and combined with a lack of care when placing paper into the press, caused problems with decent centring - the first in the top line in the attached picture, shows unacceptable quality control. This lack of definition makes reading plate Nos. difficult. Hello paul1, You aren't kidding. This is a tough stamp to find with decent centering. This is the best example I've found so far with my initials. This example is a Plate 20, Mint Never Hinged with good centering for the issue but the pulled perfs knock it down a bit. I've also noted that even the best of the best of this issue often has a smudgy, dirty appearance on the lighter surfaces at times looking like a light cancellation. Typically a nasty stamp in used condition, nice examples are few and far between and worth a premium. Rob
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 10, 2023 23:16:27 GMT
This Scott 21 2p Queen Victoria I could have shared on the judge, jury and executioner thread I suppose but I lack a better example so it stays in the Great Britain album. I would go so far as to say the centering is so bad that it is good. I do not know when a stamp goes from poor centering to being a misperf. The very light cancel makes for a crisp image but the scissor trimming of the perforations on the left side does distract.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 10, 2023 23:20:30 GMT
A classic case of a sulphuretted stamp crying out for a peroxide bath!
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 10, 2023 23:55:51 GMT
A classic case of a sulphuretted stamp crying out for a peroxide bath! As per your suggestion Alex here she is again after a peroxide bath and clear water rinse. I scanned it at a lower resolution and scale that better represents the stamp in real life.
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 22, 2023 18:59:51 GMT
Continuing the Bantam halfpenny rose discussion from earlier in this thread, the Scott Classic Specialized catalog (mine is a 2015 copy) states: My copy appears to be from Plate 8. I wonder about the postmark; specifically the month/day.
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 22, 2023 20:22:35 GMT
Lookingt at other similar date portions of the duplex stamps from the GBPS info , I going to guess/go with Mar 31 (MR 31)
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 22, 2023 23:05:54 GMT
Thanks, Stan! I was thinking it was a P, not an R, and neither of those months have 31 days.
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 9, 2023 16:04:53 GMT
I was looking to see if my Queen Victoria SG209 might be flawed and something I could send to Stan ( stainlessb ) for his fugitive ink study. Sorry Stan but my only copy is too nice to sacrifice to the lab. The Jubilee set is quite nice, especially mint copies. Many of mine are mint and I also have a couple of shade varieties. I think these varieties are more than just fugitive ink changes.
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 9, 2023 16:14:25 GMT
yes hdm1950 those are nice! And there are a number of color varieties according to SG specialized for QV Thanks for looking!
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Post by salmantino on Jan 15, 2024 15:41:31 GMT
thegubmanA couple of not often seen Queen Victoria officials, Office of Works 5d and 10d. Graham I am afraid those 'OFFICIAL' overprints are fakes. The real overprints are very clearly defined.
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Post by salmantino on Jan 15, 2024 16:21:32 GMT
paul1When the adhesive postage label was introduced, there was a uniform penny postage rate for inland letters in the firstweight class. The rates for higher weight steps and foreign letter rates were multiples of one penny. Consequently, there was no need for a ½d stamp. Austria-Hungary did not introduce the postcard 1869. The first British postcard was pre-stamped and introduced in 1870. Consequently, the ½d postcard rate was introduced on 1 October 1870. At the time the basic printed paper rate was reduced to ½d. It, also, became the concessionary rate for trade samples and patterns. In the same day the first ½d tariff, or multiple thereof, was introduced, the first ½d stamp was also issued. As banknoteguy replied, that is correct.
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Post by salmantino on Jan 16, 2024 20:36:39 GMT
These were scanned together. Top is a carmine and bottom deep dull carmine shade.
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Post by salmantino on Jan 16, 2024 21:13:40 GMT
The Customs and Revenue Act that came into force on 1 June 1981 unified the functions of postage and revenue stamps. A new unified series of stamps was issued between 1881 and 1884. The stamps issued in 1883 and 1884, known as the 'Lilacs and Greens' were disliked. People found them dull. Work started on a new series of stamps that were more colourful. The first stamps of this new series were issued in 1887, the year in which Queen Victoria celebrated her golden jubilee.
Many collectors believe the set is called 'Jubilees' because they were issued on the occassion of Queen Victoria's golden jubilee. This is not correct. They are called because they appeared in the jubilee year. Since they were not intended as 'Jubilee' issues, there was no reason to use another portrait than theone that had been used for all previous surface printed issues.
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Post by daniel on Feb 5, 2024 0:47:46 GMT
A Hoster Machine Cancel On a UPU GB postcard to Hamburg. The distinctive Hoster machine cancel was in use between 1882 and 1893. By 1884 Hoster had made sufficient improvements to his invention so that they would produce 6 letters a second, faster than any other machine. Used in London and also Hamburg where, coincidentally, this postcard was sent. Dated October 27 1890. By 1893, faster machines became available.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Mar 15, 2024 20:23:43 GMT
Another little query is in regards the obliterator number on this Scott 117. I m leaning towards 980 and if so it would have been mailed from Rhymney (Monmouthshire) in Wales if I am reading the online resource correctly. The challenge has been finding another example of the cancel. Then again it could be 086 for Fortuneswell (Dorset).
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Post by rod222 on Mar 15, 2024 21:15:54 GMT
Another little query is in regards the obliterator number on this Scott 117. I m leaning towards 980 and if so it would have been mailed from Rhymney (Monmouthshire) in Wales if I am reading the online resource correctly. The challenge has been finding another example of the cancel. Then again it could be 086 for Fortuneswell (Dorset). I would have it as 920 Upton-on-Severn Worcestershire
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 15, 2024 21:29:50 GMT
Looking through obliteration .pdfs on GBPS Heres Monmothshire, Rhymney- the side bars on yours looks like a single bar, rather than 2 finer bars (and it doesn't look like over inking) Looking at Dorset, Fortuneswell, same situation I found a few with a single solid side bar, but very few, but they do seem to have a higher value! It might be worth posting on the GBPS forum. I;ve posted a few times with respomnses that were most helpful!
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